understanding its place in the L&R universe might have made it way more comprehensible to me
nope
― the incredible string gland (sic), Monday, 10 November 2014 22:17 (eleven years ago)
several issues of HELP! magazine posted on archive.orghttps://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Awarrenpublishing&sort=-publicdate
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 16 November 2014 18:09 (eleven years ago)
including this R Crumb sketchbook of Bulgariahttps://archive.org/details/Help_025_1966-07_Warren
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 16 November 2014 18:11 (eleven years ago)
i also got on a bit of a curious kick about Ballyhoo Magazine, a pre-Mad (1930's) cultural parody mag with fake advertising and celebrity lampooning. It was apparently spectacularly popular in its time; I have a random common issue from the late 40's reboot and it's a humdinger. Some kicking around online found this small cache of scanned issues:http://www.sendspace.com/folder/ymmuimhighly recommended!
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 16 November 2014 18:32 (eleven years ago)
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i just mean in the sense that knowing this was an "adaptation of a b-movie" would have helped me process the book like 'oh this is one of those bonkers exploito movies from the 70s full of lurching dream plot twists and wanton violence i get it' as opposed to 'beto wtf r u doin'
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 17:09 (eleven years ago)
yep
― the incredible string gland (sic), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:44 (eleven years ago)
Anyone know how far through the b-movie cycle he is? I think some of them were short pieces in Love And Rockets.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:23 (eleven years ago)
cycle?
― the incredible string gland (sic), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 02:07 (eleven years ago)
Sorry, I mean the line-up of Fritz films that are being made into books and short stories.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 02:22 (eleven years ago)
yes, but... how long is a piece of string?
― the incredible string gland (sic), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 02:25 (eleven years ago)
Isn't there a finite number of them planned? Pretty sure there was.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 03:07 (eleven years ago)
http://loveandmaggie.blogspot.ie/2009/08/gilbert-hernandez-and-fritz-film-novels.html
I heard Loverboys is supposed to be part of the series but I can't see it on the list. Probably changing titles or adding new films to the list.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 03:20 (eleven years ago)
"abstract and weird" describes pretty much everything gilbert does these days. that, combined with the rushed art on some of his recent stuff, makes for books i couldn't recommend to new readers. a while back he said how he was putting out all these books because he needed the income. it's unfortunate as the work is suffering with the rough art. "maria m." was a big disappointment for this reason compared to the prior fritz books.
i dunno if "loverboys" is intended as part of that series though it does contain an older fritz-like character. it was published by dark horse whereas the fritz series up till now have all been fantagraphic books.
― sleepingsignal, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 03:56 (eleven years ago)
*"putting out all these books" being gilbert's recent several books a year schedule.
― sleepingsignal, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 03:58 (eleven years ago)
fritz series up till now have all been fantagraphic books.
Speak Of The Devil was Dark Horse.
(Fatima: The Blood Spinners and, way back, Girl Crazy are both as full of big thighs, sci-fi twists, and bloody violence as many of the B-movie books - I was surprised that Fatima appeared to be stand-alone.)
― the incredible string gland (sic), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 05:09 (eleven years ago)
I'm a huge fan of Los Bros, but outside of L&R proper, I've probably only read 5-10% of Gilbert's output from the past ten years. I can't even keep track anymore.
― It's A Living! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 05:49 (eleven years ago)
ah, i wasn't aware "speak of the devil" was even a fritz book... (looks at pages robert adam gilmour linked)... and there the details are.
― sleepingsignal, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 08:02 (eleven years ago)
I was wondering if the art was rushed or he's drawing differently now. Whatever the case I don't think his lines have the same oomph they did when he was finishing up the Luba titles.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 08:45 (eleven years ago)
None of it's rushed. I put the same care into it that I put into everything. But I can imagine a day when I go, "Hey, I can't put out two new graphic novels a year anymore."
sez Beto
― the incredible string gland (sic), Thursday, 20 November 2014 04:14 (eleven years ago)
I'm trying to find oblique ways into L&R because I have Locas, but all the dialogue is weirdly off putting? So little room for anything.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 20 November 2014 05:54 (eleven years ago)
there's so much room! Jaime's storytelling is all about moments, fragments, slivers of people's days and years. there's space to imagine and infer entire lives between lines spoken.
― the incredible string gland (sic), Thursday, 20 November 2014 13:23 (eleven years ago)
i mean physically in the frame tho, half the box taken up with winding dialogue just makes my eyes glaze over
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 20 November 2014 15:46 (eleven years ago)
I know for a fact I've said some variation of this at least two dozen times on ILX, but reading the material collected in Locas from the beginning does a massive disservice to the brilliance of what comes after. Skip ahead to a point that looks more appealing, start from there, return and re-read the early stuff once you're properly in love with Jaime's work.
― It's A Living! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 20 November 2014 15:50 (eleven years ago)
yeah, 100% otm. i struggled with the early part of locas but it's utterly wonderful a little further down the line.
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 20 November 2014 17:12 (eleven years ago)
oh yeah, if you're stuck on his early, italicised lettering, skip ahead to where his letterforms look pretty. I find his early balloons exhausting too
― the incredible string gland (sic), Thursday, 20 November 2014 21:31 (eleven years ago)
if there's a trend i don't miss from the 80s it's the walls of exposition text
― Nhex, Thursday, 20 November 2014 21:38 (eleven years ago)
That latest issue of Multiversity... That was quite something. I could not make sense of that much of it, but what I got out of it was pretty much as fun and weird and clever as people always say Grant Morrison is.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 20 November 2014 21:41 (eleven years ago)
Is this the Watchmen one? I've fallen a couple of issues behind. All the parts being #1s is confusing my senile brain.
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Thursday, 20 November 2014 23:46 (eleven years ago)
The latest Multiversity is, uh, quite a step up from the previous issues.
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 22 November 2014 18:29 (eleven years ago)
I'm still getting my mind around it. And yeah, it's about Charlton heroes, all acting like their Watchmen counterparts. And the importance of the number 8. And something about colours. And... Yeah, I need to reread it once again, I think.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 22 November 2014 18:37 (eleven years ago)
i'm gonna wait until Multiversity is done to read it, probably a year or two from now, but these descriptions are making me salivate
― Nhex, Saturday, 22 November 2014 19:06 (eleven years ago)
Curious if this is the end of his DC superhero run.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 22 November 2014 19:28 (eleven years ago)
Maybe all this big crossover events were him earning the permission for Seaguy finale.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 22 November 2014 19:30 (eleven years ago)
I reread Final Crisis after liking Multiversity so much, btw, and that was probably a bad idea. Got the first half of it, I think, even the Beyond issues, I think, and then it just degenerated, and seemed to be only about meta-commentary on comics. But, well, even if Multiversity goes the same way, we'll always have Justice Society and Pax Americana.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 22 November 2014 19:32 (eleven years ago)
Since Savage Dragon is reaching 200 I'm kinda tempted to pick it up again but there are so many other things more important to read but if I ever catch up on lots of other priorities, I'd like to start reading it again. There was so many "Holy Shit!" moments on the last few collections I read.
Heard there might be a movie series. I'd be really happy for Larsen if it was a success but I could imagine so many ways it could go wrong. It would maybe require a terrible amount of cgi, to the point where it may as well be fully animated. I'd happily avoid superhero films forever but I'd really love this to work. A lot of things could be refined but it's hard to imagine keeping the insane brutality which the plot often revolved around. It might be hard to make the tonal shifts work (I'm not sure they always worked in the comic) and they should keep some of the funniest bits. Would love to see Powerhouse, Abner Cadaver, Neutron Bob and Dung in a film. I doubt they'd keep Braniape (a gorilla with Hitler's brain), giant mutant Bin Laden or all the presidential campaign stuff.
I just seen scans of a Savage Dragon Japanese fan guide on the Larsen forum.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 23 November 2014 22:40 (eleven years ago)
It's interesting that there was a whole book of modern alternative comics guys doing Savage Dragon stories. Some of it looked pretty crazy.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 24 November 2014 02:55 (eleven years ago)
Druillet's 6 Voyages comes out in March and Delirious in June. But Titan's site doesn't list any of it. I hate it when official sites of publishers don't display all their catalogue. They're very slim books. I wish they'd put out a big compilation of his classic era in one book because it wouldn't even be that big. A couple of the old Druillet English editions had two books in them.
I'm quite happy today because Yoe Books are doing a Tom Sutton book dedicated to his 70s Charlton horror comics with extra unseen art. It's called Tom Sutton's Creepy Things. I really love this stuff, I think it was generally his best work. I hope it's fairly comprehensive of his cover art.
Yoe Books are also doing a Howard Nostrand horror collection, I might get that too. I just wish the Yoe horror collections were a bit thicker because that Bob Powell book could have had a few more stories and it would have been perfect. I think there was mentioned a possibility that there might be more books for each artist. LB Cole and Rudy Palais seem like natural next choices to me.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 24 November 2014 17:35 (eleven years ago)
finished the first vol of G Moz's Action comics run which was... ok I guess. As usual there were a couple panels/points where I was totally lost although there were a bunch of good ideas. Rags Morales not my favorite artist. I do find Moz's trope of having characters mumble asides to themselves every few word balloons kind of tiresome.
also read the Watchmen/Multiversity issue which looked amazing. I'll probably buy the trade of all of them when it comes out but man he really isn't working hard to endear himself to Alan Moore is he lol
― Οὖτις, Monday, 24 November 2014 19:02 (eleven years ago)
Is Frank Quitely drawing that one? If so, I might give it a look.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 24 November 2014 19:19 (eleven years ago)
yeah it's Quitely, great work as usual
― Οὖτις, Monday, 24 November 2014 19:28 (eleven years ago)
Sutton book sounds great! His tcj interview is all-time.
― a drug by the name of WORLD WITHOUT END (Jon Lewis), Monday, 24 November 2014 21:03 (eleven years ago)
I've got a bunch of his Dementia porn work and its just as uneven as a lot of his general comics work. You'd think this was him finally getting free reign (and I'm sure he was) but some of it is really hacked out. Some of the rendering techniques don't quite gel together and it always annoyed me how high he placed nipples on breasts (it just didn't look right). A lot of it lacks something or other. But I like the cheeky faces he drew and he had a knack for detailed complex morbid S&M imagery. And "Vault Of Whores" is a hilarious title.
Of all my favourite comic artists, I think Sutton had done more hack work than any of them. And he didn't mind admitting a lot of his work was no good.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 24 November 2014 21:48 (eleven years ago)
Another thing; Sutton changed his style (and his name to Sean Todd) quite a lot for his Skywald work and he genuinely manages to seem like a totally different artist. He did this to some extent for various titles, especially anything superhero related and it was always awkward. He clearly didn't care for a lot of the material he was working on. He tried a more cartoony style on Vampirella and it didn't work well.
I'd like a Warren collection of Sutton but I don't think it's likely. I wonder if Dark Horse are ever going to do artist focused Warren collections again.
Another unlikely Sutton collection I'd like is his Man-Thing work with Steve Gerber on Marvel Comics Presents. That was weird and fascinatingly ugly stuff.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 24 November 2014 22:12 (eleven years ago)
Just gonna post so no one feels like they need to weigh in on cartoon nipple placement in order to keep the thread going.
As you were.
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Monday, 24 November 2014 22:58 (eleven years ago)
Well it was pornography and getting nipple placement right in that context seems important to me. There are tumblr pages dedicated to these type of anatomy screwups.
Anyway, over the years I always keep coming back to Gene Colan's official commission page. It always inspires me how far he taken these and I really think a lot of this stuff is the best art he ever did. There really should be a book of these. The Dracula and Dr Strange sections are particularly amazing. It's great how he maintained his peak until death.http://comicartfans.com/GalleryDetail.asp?GCat=4158
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 24 November 2014 23:22 (eleven years ago)
I gave up on GMoz's Action Comics around the Obama issue, so I could read the whole run in one sitting - but that didn't help much. It's a weird run - bad art, bland writing, godawful backups. Some parts have unnecessary longeurs and others have the action telescoped to meaninglessness. Lois and Jimmy just stand around commenting on things without contributing to the plot. There are things Morrison's done lately that weren't so great (Joe the Barbarian, Happy) but he's never been quite as half assed as this before.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 00:57 (eleven years ago)
...anhillator is more of the same but a lot more fun.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 00:59 (eleven years ago)
Yeah, the AC run was a big disappointment, it really showed what's bad about Morrison's writing: half-assed plotting, focus on pointless details instead of the big picture, etc. And it didn't help that the artist was pretty bad at comic book storytelling, which just served to magnify the problems in the scripting. I think Happy and Joe the Barbarian were disappointing in an opposite way: the art was good and the story was mostly easy to follow, but there simply wasn't that much into it, Morrison was just rehashing ideas he's done a million times in an uninteresting way.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 08:33 (eleven years ago)
i would call them less interesting than past efforts, but still entertaining and worth reading. the quality of art pushed Joe pretty far for me, and Happy was a short, less ambitious story
― Nhex, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 14:03 (eleven years ago)
http://vimeo.com/111690998^20 minute documentary on Richard Thompson. I still haven't read any of his collected work, think i'm gonna hit amazon and alleviate that.
― Face facts poptimism hacks, your a scam. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 27 November 2014 18:57 (eleven years ago)