xpost You'd like to think there's room for that, but, yeah, I can imagine trying to do anything really different with the deeply entrenched Big Two properties is like hitting your head against a wall.
― Rib-Tickling Chortles and Gut-Busting Guffaws (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 18:19 (nine years ago) link
it wasn't anything all that different, I mean it would have totally flown on a different title, maybe even a different title in the bat group. Just wasn't a good tack to take for that particular book.
~lyfe~
~regretz~
― before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 18:23 (nine years ago) link
yeah but that doesn't even seem to make business sense! look at the archie editorial policy and how well they're doing just trying off the wall shit to see how it impacts. You can keep canon for movies and "mainstream universe" titles but i imagine a creator driven beto wonder woman book would probably at least double in circulation and get a shit ton of press so why aren't DC aggressively fighting that direction rather than trying to reboot the reboot of their reboot? It's just dumb.
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 18:24 (nine years ago) link
like, fuck, give this guy above me Swamp Thing for fucks sake! See what happens!
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 18:25 (nine years ago) link
R.A.G, again, I also contributed to 1001 Comics To Read Before You Die so caveat emptor, but that book's coverage of 'foreign' comics is the best of any English language survey, imho. Funnily enough, some of the American comics choices in the UK/American edition were dropped from some of the European editions (so, surprise, the French version of 1001 Comics... has a lot more French comics to read before you die.)
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 18:25 (nine years ago) link
I distinctly remember finding out that Beto was writing Birds of Prey when I saw his name on one of the covers, several issues into his run, and thinking, "surely, it isn't the Gilbert Hernandez I'm thinking of or I would've heard something about this."
― Rib-Tickling Chortles and Gut-Busting Guffaws (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 18:28 (nine years ago) link
Ward- That's odd. Another thing I though was a mistake was the UK edition having Dredd on the cover, I think it should have tried to attract a wider variety of people with a less genre-specific cover.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 18:34 (nine years ago) link
I heard Beto got shit from a lot of people for doing a DC title.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 18:36 (nine years ago) link
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, July 15, 2014 2:24 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It COULD have made good business sense if they'd played the angle up from their PR dept (whoa shit indie cartoonists writing bat books hey look entertainment weekly) but I don't think I appreciated at the time that titles didn't really get promoted unless they were already a hit; just like with the indie auteur things I did it would have been up to me to go line up interviews and stir up enthusiasm. Like, they did make a press release when me, Dylan, Beto, Anderson Gabrych were put on the titles but that was it, they then just waited for us to dry up and expire.
― before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 18:48 (nine years ago) link
And if such a comic was a roaring success, they'd base a movie on it and all sorts of merchandise but not pay the creators properly (if at all).
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 19:06 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, but I think most creators acknowledge that going into the deal these days.
― Slobberchops (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 19:13 (nine years ago) link
yeah I wasn't worried abt that. Page rate was ok and they paid fast once you turned the work in. And there would be royalties if things went to trade (LOL they are never gonna collect these robins in a million years).
― before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 19:28 (nine years ago) link
What about royalties from digital versions?
I didn't realise Gilbert Hernandez actually was doing a little Wonder Woman thing.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 20:16 (nine years ago) link
he's not that i'm aware of? i was just using that as an example. i wish he would.
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 20:25 (nine years ago) link
http://comicsalliance.com/gilbert-hernandez-sensation-comics-featuring-wonder-woman-dc-digital-first/
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 20:29 (nine years ago) link
Finger on the pulse, there, forks.
― Slobberchops (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 20:30 (nine years ago) link
huh. well it makes sense.
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 22:12 (nine years ago) link
kinda but still weird
― Nhex, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 22:33 (nine years ago) link
Another DC imprint called Helix focused on science fiction, including a Lucius Shepard series called Vermillion (wonder if there is a prose version?), Some titles got carried over to Vertigo.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 00:44 (nine years ago) link
If Jon's issues were available digitally, DC would start paying out at 60,000 sales.
― boney tassel (sic), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 02:09 (nine years ago) link
lol Transmetropolitan started on helix
― mh, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 02:37 (nine years ago) link
yeah, i have those somewhere. with the exception of that and matt howarth's book i think i hated every helix comic i read
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 02:39 (nine years ago) link
which reminds me, 2020 Visions was an awesome comic that was never collected by Vertigo, but has a b&w collection. I would almost recommend finding the original though.
― mh, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 02:39 (nine years ago) link
Been looking at loads of Dave McKean covers, never released how much he resembled Vaughn Oliver and Quay Brothers.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 02:50 (nine years ago) link
Yeah he is almost a quay biter tbh
― before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 04:24 (nine years ago) link
they're quay better
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 04:28 (nine years ago) link
Dockwood - Jon McNaught - just caught up w/ this guy, gorgeous illustrative cartooning set in a small English town, equal parts Chris Ware and Phillip Larkin
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 17 July 2014 07:52 (nine years ago) link
So I just got in that mood, and re-read The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck for the umpteenth time. It really is one of the great novels of the nineties. Every time it returns to Scotland, it just gets me.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 19 July 2014 01:32 (nine years ago) link
preach
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 19 July 2014 05:19 (nine years ago) link
I really should pick up that book
― Nhex, Saturday, 19 July 2014 05:27 (nine years ago) link
i probably already said this but ms. marvel and the wicked + the divine are both killing the shit out of everything rn and you should be reading them
adorable guest appearance (arc??) with wolverine in ms marvel this month
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 19 July 2014 14:38 (nine years ago) link
Journey Into Mystery aside, there's a combination of smugness and emo and try-hardiness about Gillen's comics that I find completely toxic. I totally get his appeal. But his characters are spanners.
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 20 July 2014 19:33 (nine years ago) link
I love Ms Marvel though!
i don't disagree with you about the tone but they do generally make for good readin' nonetheless
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 20 July 2014 23:22 (nine years ago) link
So guys, what was the last comic that really knocked your fucking socks off?
For me the best parts of Miura's Berserk did that. The second volume of Phoenix by Tezuka was close to that. Sadly both of them were last year I think.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 July 2014 03:33 (nine years ago) link
last one that comes to mind was this:http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2014/01/exclusive-preview-what-we-need-to-know-by-willy-linthout/
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 July 2014 03:47 (nine years ago) link
i don't want to encourage that
― Nhex, Monday, 21 July 2014 04:22 (nine years ago) link
?
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 July 2014 04:24 (nine years ago) link
lettering in those samples was unbearable
― boney tassel (sic), Monday, 21 July 2014 04:43 (nine years ago) link
i like that lettering! and i like linthout's previous book a lot as well:http://www.amazon.com/Years-Elephant-Willy-Linthout/dp/8492444304
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 July 2014 04:56 (nine years ago) link
smugness and emo and try-hardiness about Gillen's comics
haha i totally sense this arrogance/smugness in the writing but i'm sorta taking it as part of the conceit of having so many deity characters
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 July 2014 06:47 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, that's why he's great at writing Loki! But I find it tiring when every character is a variation on that theme.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 21 July 2014 10:32 (nine years ago) link
The smugness is part of his trademark style tbh, going back to his game reviewing days
― Nhex, Monday, 21 July 2014 12:44 (nine years ago) link
Game reviewing! I get it now. I don't like it. But I get it.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 21 July 2014 13:39 (nine years ago) link
btw I don't mean that as a slam, I was very fond of his games journo work
― Nhex, Monday, 21 July 2014 14:00 (nine years ago) link
should i read phonogram if enjoying w+d btw y/n
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 July 2014 14:12 (nine years ago) link
Yes! I didn't like it either so you probably will. The first series is better though than "Singles Club".
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 21 July 2014 16:27 (nine years ago) link
haha ok
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 July 2014 16:45 (nine years ago) link
just bought the whole young avengers run and am pretty gobsmacked at how great it is
a lot of it reminds me of buffy at its best
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 05:47 (nine years ago) link
gieron & mckelvie's run, that is