Batman: The Animated Series

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I seem to remember Mr Perry losing his shit over Ed Asner playing Granny Goodness.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Some of those would be ideal live-action choices too.

Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

And Black Canary has a VERY sexy voice

Oh shit that's Inara from Firefly (and according to Tep, possibly Joss's Wonder Woman)! Yeah, she's great.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Joss has made a few comments implying he thinks she'd be good in the role, but I don't know how to take them. If the studio wants to go with a virtual unknown like with Superman, that's one thing; presumably he'd want to see how she handles fight scenes, though (I don't remember her really having any in Firefly).

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, she was a hooker, of course she can handle herself in a fight.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Ron Perlman= Orion

My eyes went very big and round when I read this.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 24 March 2005 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

you snacky hos got me watching teen titans now.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

it's angsty as hell.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The awesome thing about the Teen Titans show is how the super-KAWAII animation style is at direct odds with the achingly earnest "LIFE SUCKS" doom-and-gloom of certain story arcs; I also like the way that pathos and complete surreal farce can co-exist with each other.

(Full potentially credibility-shredding disclosure: I've also started watching Kids Next Door because Lauren Tom and Cree Summer do voices on it and it's often ridiculously funny. There was a recent episode involving a training bra that was absolutely hysterical.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

cree summers!!!

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

hey in this raven unleashes some dragon that was trapped in a book cuz he fools her with some sweet talk episode - this is a 'metaphor' for her losing her virginity right?

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

... snacky hos!

Teen Titans is on tonight at 10 EST, if anyone -- like me -- was wondering, so they could check it out. Not sure when JLU is on, but Demonoid (thank you Andrew!) has seasons 1 and 2, and a few a la carte episodes.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

omg robin as benjamin braddock!!!

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 25 March 2005 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Michael Ironside = Darkseid (voice)!

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 25 March 2005 07:39 (twenty-one years ago)

AdamL told me a completely unmentionable story about J3r3my P*v3n -- it may be somewhere on ILX, actually -- but suffice to say, the fact that he played Elongated Man may be extremely apt.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 25 March 2005 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

hey in this raven unleashes some dragon that was trapped in a book cuz he fools her with some sweet talk episode - this is a 'metaphor' for her losing her virginity right?

Pretty much; it's also an extended riff on her "even when surrounded by friends, I am alone" schtick.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I could never stand Raven in the comics -- she's the main reason I never read those eras of Titans regularly -- but I love her on the cartoon. What's up with that? I think it's the Daria voice and the contrast to the ubercute anime.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 26 March 2005 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha GOTH LUV!

The Ghost of Didn't You Write A Vampire Book? (Dan Perry), Saturday, 26 March 2005 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
Revive!

I got the first box set and it really is great, as good an introduction to what makes Batman great as you could ever have. The way they treat the Joker I think is particuarly laudable - he's clearly shown as comical, not just psychotic (i.e. you can laugh along with most of his antics), but at the same time he's still pretty fucking scary. A great balance between modern grim&gritty Batman and the character's older incarnation.

Some of the episodes - the Clayface two parter, the Mr.Freeze one - are so unberably tragic. The show's obsessive "sometimes things happen that turn you into a MONSTER and believe me, you sure as hell won't be able to escape that" message is really something for a kid's tv show!

I used to ("used to") have the biggest crush on the animated Poison Ivy when I was a kid - Harley Quinn looks very cute when she's in civilian clothes, as well. Didn't they semi-officially lez up in the cartoon's comics? Perv perv.

One guy on the extras defines the show's visual style as "dark deco" - hits the nail on the head, I think. It's all gorgeous, tho just *occasionally* you notice a slight anime influence, it annoys me every time.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 15 July 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

that clayface two-parter is magnificent... also the first two ras-al-ghul episodes

dave k, Friday, 15 July 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

I have been watching this again too (Thanks DVD deep discount) and it's amazing, the details I never noticed as a 12-year-old just really pop out and set the tone of the show. I love the way they use "painted" backgrounds like in 1940s movies, and the way that Batman has computers and gadgets, but everyone else seems to be still in wartime clothing and cars and speech.
I haven't gotten to the Clayface episode yet, I'm watching it tonight. I hate Harley Quinn though and I am not looking forward to her appearance. The Penguin really is a pathetic villian, isn't he?

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

I remember the Clayface episode vividly.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

I've just watched the first disc of the Timm Superman series. 'S all right.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 15 July 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

and the way that Batman has computers and gadgets, but everyone else seems to be still in wartime clothing and cars and speech.

Yeah, this is really key, and I'm glad that "Batman Begins" maintained this chronological ambiguity.

I hate Harley Quinn though and I am not looking forward to her appearance.

Oh, she's not *overwhelming* in it, so don't worry. It's a really great episode! The Joker is *really* scary in the first few scenes, and pretty funny after that. Also:

******************* SPOILER *****************************************

At the end Batman laughs. Or, well, he seems to *try* to laugh - it comes out all abortion-like. It's crazy, and great.

**************************** SPOILER *******************************

The Clayface two-parter is really a highlight of sorts, as is the Christmas Joker episode (which shows that BTAS isn't afraid to go all-out silly when it wants to.) I've a soft spot for "It's Never Too Late", tho - total homage to "Angels With Dirty Faces"!!

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 15 July 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

The Christmas Joker Story is great.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 15 July 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it's just so uncharacteristically light-hearted and unapolgetically absurd. And Bruce Wayne being a grinch about "It's A Wonderful Life" is priceless!

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 15 July 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

what happens in the xmas joker story??

dave k, Friday, 15 July 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

SPOILER POST:


Weeeell, it starts with the Joker cheerfully decorating a christmas tree in Arkham while singing that ol' "jingle bells/Batman smells" thing; then next thing you know he's flying off into the air and you realise that the tree is a ROCKET! No explanation is given as to how, why, what, gah?

The whole episode pretty much maintains that vibe of absurdity/awesomeness.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 16 July 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

Batman: The Animated Series is still the best overall screen treatment of Batman.

latebloomer: lazy r people (latebloomer), Saturday, 16 July 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

"Christmas With The Joker" was only like episode 2 of the original run, and they were probably still trying to decide what tone to set for the series. Robin's in it for one thing - he's mysteriously absent for most of the rest of that first season.

I maintain Batman Beyond was a decent series despite the lame concept, if only for the hilarious Fantastic Four parody. The payoff to the ongoing backstory in "Return Of The Joker" was awesome.

"The Batman" is pure pish, though. I never asked for a version of Batman remodelled to resemble Jackie Chan Adventures, and I probably never will.

Philip Alderman (Phil A), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

Ironically, some of the Jackie Chan Adventures stuff is pretty great. But then, it requires a pretty different tone from Batman.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:32 (twenty years ago)

The DC booth HERE AT COMIC CON ran Teen Titans on plasma screens for people to watch while waiting for writers and artists to sign stuff, and wow! I really really RILLY like the pitch-perfect anime/SD-ness of it all, though I couldn't make out much of the dialogue because the convention was kinda loud.

And not to come off all pervy, but um, I like Raven's look. Um. Legs.

Leeeeeee (Leee), Monday, 18 July 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)

I desperately need to buy back my childhood by owning these box sets. This show was responsible for about a third of my high school psychology class believing that it's impossible to read in your dreams.

chi a, Monday, 18 July 2005 06:54 (twenty years ago)

OMG I THOUGHT THAT TOO BECAUSE OF THAT EPISODE

latebloomer: lazy r people (latebloomer), Monday, 18 July 2005 06:59 (twenty years ago)

Also in the Christmas with the Joker episode,
*spoiler*

The Joker waves good-bye to Charles Manson(!) as he flies out of Arkham.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

Teen Titans seriously rivals Justice League Unlimited for best superhero team series ever. They do a fantastic job of bouncing back and forth betwen frothy fun and completely soul-crushing angst; in a lot of ways it's the entire emotional experience of your teenage years encapsulated in a spandex costume. I like it even more than BOTH of the X-Men cartoons (which I also loved).

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

I just watched the Teen Titans episode where Trigon shows up to END THE WORLD!
Awesome!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

Are the TT DVDs out?

Leeeeeee (Leee), Monday, 18 July 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/103-7039794-6836617

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 July 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
The Batman vs. Dracula

Reasons I will anticipate:

1. Dracula!
1a. ...voiced by Peter Stormare!
2. Joker!

Reasons to dread:

1. "The Batman."
2. No Mark Hamill.

Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 05:42 (twenty years ago)

if they ever start calling superman "the superman" this trend will have gone entirely too far.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 06:25 (twenty years ago)

He was called The Batman in his Golden Age stories. Well, The "Bat-Man".

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)

Even in the 70s he was still sometimes called "the dread Batman"!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'm reading the Greatest Batman Stories Ever trade and have just finished both Batman Chronicles and Scarecrow tales; I'm kinda surprised at how often he's called "THE Batman" instead of just Batman. It seems to go from the late sixties well on through the eighties, probably till Crisis; spanning the years when all Batman writing was either done or inspired by Denny O'Neil.

iodine (iodine), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

I kind of like "the Batman", and how it implies people think of him as kind of a freak rather than a familiar local fixture.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Green Lantern, however, dispenses with the "the":

http://img105.exs.cx/img105/8022/serious.jpg

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

Nobody takes you seriously after you've gone crazy, killed a bunch of people, restarted time, died reigniting the sun, became the (dis)embodiment of God's Vengeance, and then came back to life and tried to act like nothing happened.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

And your toupee is slipping.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

In the animated context, "The Batman" = post-TAS suck, i.e. no Kevin Conroy.

Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 02:22 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
Holy cheap DVDs, Batman!

SHOULD I GET THIS??

Obsessing over the unobtainable and nonexistent. (Leee), Friday, 9 December 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

Finished the season, and it's mostly OK. I kept expecting the animation to be done on the cheap but it's surprisingly solid, but the writing is missing some juice. A few episodes have nice, zingy dialogue (the Catwoman one), though. What's patroclus weird is that it has one foot in BTAS references (the voices of Bruce and Alfred being very clearly modeled on their BTAS counterparts) while consciously diverging from old school canon.

Élisabeth Vigée Lebron (Leee), Wednesday, 14 August 2024 20:19 (one year ago)

It seems like a show for teenagers... from the 90s. All the references to US culture from the 1920s to 1950s - that stuff was still "live" in the culture when I was growing up in the eighties and nineties - b&w movies and old reruns were on the TV all the time. I'm curious what kids watching it today would make of it. There were very few good cartoons for teenagers when I was growing up - now it seems like 90% of new art is for 13-year-olds.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 14 August 2024 21:03 (one year ago)

two weeks pass...

Overall I really like Caped Crusader so far. Feels like the mix of set design inspiration from the 90s with remixed characters is a good formula. Harleen Q's episode was a high point for me and Onomatopoeia was fun and I loved lady Penguin. While I didn't dislike the episodes, I'm not really a fan of supernatural stuff in Batman so could've done without the classist ghost and vampire girl ones.

Batman turns out to be one of the least interesting characters, though I find that's often the case whatever medium we're in.

Interesting that this and X-Men 97 came out so near each other.

salsa shark, Friday, 30 August 2024 21:07 (one year ago)

have i linked the italian b:tas theme song here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThxsDFTG06E

the story is that when cartoons came to italy they decided that rather than use the international theme songs they'd write their own theme songs with lyrics and made them all eurodance bangers

sometimes that works - "what is my destiny dragon ball" is in the same league as the japanese theme (that's the original dragonball, not cha-la head-cha-la) - but with x-men not so much, and with batman... i mean it just doesn't have the same feel as the elfman music.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 30 August 2024 22:07 (one year ago)

ok correction
"what's my destiny dragon ball" is indeed the theme to dragon ball z, which i think was called "what's my destiny dragon ball" in italy? anyway seriously this fucking thing holds it's own against cha-la head-cha-la which i mean

that's _impressive_

i mean cha-la head-cha-la is, uh, _eurodance adjacent_ so it's not surprising that italy can bring it with its own version but still.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 30 August 2024 22:13 (one year ago)


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