2013 what are you reading thread

that cowboy samurai book he did was all kinds of fun

"1993 was the biggest-ever year for sales in the comics industry."

i don't think so. the direct market, maybe.

what year was xmen #1 and xfactor #1? That was the biggest direct market
but yeah, in the forties/fifties i believe sales for many titles were in the multiple hundred thousands, yes? somebody post a TCJ article and back me up here

Think you men x-force and not -factor

ah yes. the dumbass liefeld
there was the great multi-cover renaissance that destroyed the collector market.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Lee#Rise_to_fame_at_Marvel_Comics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Liefeld#Early_career
4 million copies and every one a guaranteed investment

Never forget
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The state of comic books in 1946.

haha i totally bought that issue of sonic when it came out, would've been right after i first played the game. even then i think i knew deep down that sonic was basically a shitty character and the comics weren't a patch on those weird mario comics they used to publish in nintendo power.

the translated Mario/Zelda comics in Nintendo Power were totally awesome

the great brit comic artist mick mcmahon did some of his last strip work on the uk sonic comic...which says everything abt the british comics 'industry', really

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Any of you guys in Los Angeles? I'm going to be arriving in town on April 10th and was thinking I might try and see Ben Katchor. Would love some company:

http://www.skirball.org/programs/ben-katchor

I think I read 4 or 5 titles on that list. SANDMAN and THE MAXX and one other thing. And like a few others, that was about the time I stopped reading comics but for SANDMAN and the HELLBOY minis that came out. There was other good stuff, but it was just so depressing to go into a comic store and see what was being offered (remember--not ever shop gets everything) that dropping out seemed like the smartest course of action.

I came back for THE INVISIBLES for the first couple of issues (believe that was 1994). But it was more a once every couple months thing and not once a week.

Marvel Unlimited is opening up a lot of different series for me.
Doing Avengers Academy at the moment. Surprisingly decent for nth retread teen team drama.

AA was quite good, though sadly it suffered from being forcibly mixed in various crossovers that had little to do with its own plots. Also, the ending felt a bit rushed, and Cage didn't manage to tie some plot threads together (the stuff involving the future versions of AA members was never really resolved) before it was cancelled. But for the most part it was good, a nice mixture of old school optimistic teen superhero stuff and more current issues, such as gay superheroes coming out of the closet.

Can't imagine dropping out of floppy direct market comics in the early 90s, P. Bagge's Hate may be my favourite serial-buying comic experience ever

yeah that was an amazing 2-year (at least?) stretch

Saga is a fun read. I got a few issues and didn't read the whole batch until the last couple of weeks. I was afraid it might be too 'twee' from the looks of it and it kinda is but it is fun enough for me to get by it. I'll give BKV some credit, it's really written well for the actual comic book format as he keeps being able to pull off great issue endings each time.

I also can't decide yet if I like the first trade of Jonathan Hickman's "The Manhattan Projects", but it's so totally batshit weird and I'm going back and reading it now again month later.

yeah that was an amazing 2-year (at least?) stretch

I didn't start buying until late 91 (bought #5 and 6 on a school excursion, along with the OG Vortex Ed The Happy Clown TPB) but I reckon it stayed great til 1998. The penultimate issue, where Buddy goes on the blind date, is amazing. B&W run ended in 94 if that's where you're drawing the line though

Manhattan Projects has a bum issue here and there but, I hope, is building to something

Age of Ultron - it's surprisingly good! Made me think I was under-appreciating Bendis, but then I read the new Powers, which was just the worst.

I enjoy the whole run of Hate, altho felt like his art started to get a bit lazy by the end. agree about the blind date issue

ha, he went from 3 tiers to 4 just in case ppl felt he was being lazy by drawing for colour

a friend of mine is apparently friends with Marc Guggenheim and gave me a bunch of his stuff to read... this is the first time I'd looked at a modern Spider-Man comic in oh 10 years. oof.

bendis = best avengers writer since roy thomas, official. also looking forward to reading his x-men 'reboot'. i 'heard' there's a twist at the end of age of ultron (to be written by neil gaiman???) but i don't know what it is.

i enjoy a slott spiderman when one comes my way - dude always puts a lot into his scripts, never cheats the reader - but the art is p horrible most of the time.

i'm old enough to have bought neat stuff on the reg, so at first i was a little wary of hate, but was quickly won round. pathetic i know, but i MUCH prefer the issues that bagge inked himself (the colour was fine, but the art seemed to lose a bit of its energy when he was only penciling it.) must've been quite a while when you could buy new issues of love and rockets, hate, yummy fur and eightball p much every cpl of months, truly we were spoilt...

SPECULATIVE SPOILER: Twist is going to be Marvelman coming to Marvel universe.

And Hickman's Avengers smokes Bendis, in my opinion.

must've been quite a while when you could buy new issues of love and rockets, hate, yummy fur and eightball p much every cpl of months, truly we were spoilt

yes this was an amazing time. whatever "underground" stuff comes out nowadays on the regular, it hasn't grabbed me like that stuff did

tbf, the market has changed where it makes more sense for people to release trades rather than floppies

yep

of course that means Joe Matt really will never finish anything ever again :(

bendis = best avengers writer since roy thomas, official.

Best ever, imo. I really like what Hickman's doing on his two Avengers books right now, but I think it's too early to say it beats Bendis.

Also, Age of Ultron continues to be awesome. I really like that they banked the pages, especially Hitch's issues, so they could bring this out quickly. The pace of the story is really helped by quick publication.

tbf, the market has changed where it makes more sense for people to release trades rather than floppies

the best shit is coming out in floppies right now, but thanks to insane US postage increases, I don't get to read any of it anymore

like what? i ask

eg deforge, rilly, huizenga, hanawalt, fiffe, koyama in general

I can't believe people think Bendis is the best Avengers writer since Thomas... He pretty much tore apart everything that was unique about Avengers, brought in his pet characters, most of whom had little to do with the team's history, and wrote every character as if they were in gritty cop show and not a superhero comic. (Seriously, when it came to characterization, pretty much every character was interchangeable with someone else.) Which meant no more grandiose cosmic adventures and stuff like that, which had previously been the Avengers' forte, because they didn't fit Bendis' "realistic" vision. Sure, there were some good individual storylines, but the crossovers were increasingly bad, culminating with Siege which was just one massive fight with no rhyme or reason.

Even though it had some hacky moments and misfires (mostly the attempt to deal with racial and religious issues, which was a noble failure), in my opinion Busiek's Avengers run has been the best extended run of the title since Thomas' days. He knew what made the Avengers special, instead of writing it like a generic superhero book with interchangeable members, like Bendis did.

That said, I have been enjoying Bendis' current X-Men run so far. Seems like the gimmick of the old, more innocent X-Men time-traveling to the present day has toned down the gritty/hard-boiled tendencies of his writing, which is a refreshing change.

brought in his pet characters, most of whom had little to do with the team's history

ie exactly what roy thomas and steve englehart did! every new avengers writer has a mandate - duty! - to reinvent the team according to their own tastes and fancies.

Busiek's run basically is roy thomas revisited - i prefer the illusion of change under bendis.

brought in his pet characters, most of whom had little to do with the team's history

ie exactly what roy thomas and steve englehart did! every new avengers writer has a mandate - duty! - to reinvent the team according to their own tastes and fancies.

Well sure, but AFAIK those characters weren't popular ones with a lot of baggage (like Spider-Man or Wolverine) or writer's pets (like Luke Cage). Even if earlier writers introduced new team members, they still managed to do "Avengers style" stories with them, whereas Bendis simply took characters he liked, or characters that sell titles, and did stories that have little to do with previous Avengers legacy. I guess if you don't care that much about this "Avengers style" and like Bendis' particular set of tropes, this isn't a problem, but for me he was ill-fitted for the title.

I think if he tore down the old version, that was the point though?

Spider-man and Wolverine are overexposed because they don't have a lot of baggage - quips + agile + web shooters / claws + loner + drinks are sufficiently good handles to tell a story with them.

Also you are possibly the only person in the world who gives a shit about the idea of "Avengers legacy" - it's a dumping ground of unloved characters + the big guys.

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i've been reading Avengers comics for more than thirty years Tuomas, so I think 'care' about the title as much as you do. i just don't have some platonic idea of an Avengers comic, or think there's only one way to write Avengers comics (I mean, at base, the Avengers just = some of Marvel's most popular characters all together in one comic. Which is why I don't have a problem with Wolverine or Spider-Man being members.)

Fair enough; it's just that to me Bendis' writing tics (the hard-boiled dialogue, the "realism", the way he treats superhero comics as if they were police or military fiction, the intechangeable personalities) are pretty much the opposite of what I like in superhero comics (cosmic sagas, high adventure, colourful characters, optimism), and what I've enjoyed in earlier Avengers comics. Bendis might've been a fitting writer for a title like Daredevil, where "realism" and grittiness were already an established part of the title, but I've never thought such qualities were what the Avengers was about.

Also you are possibly the only person in the world who gives a shit about the idea of "Avengers legacy" - it's a dumping ground of unloved characters + the big guys.

Haven't you ever come across angry Internet commentary on how Avengers Disassembled ruined the Scarlet Witch, ruined Vision, shat on Busiek's earlier reconstruction of the title, etc? My comments on this thread are pretty mild compared to how many others felt about Bendis and the Avengers.

Bendis really should have stopped after Siege, though. Everything after was just embarrasing.

nah, red hulk storyline was great!

I'd also put Steve Englehart and Roger Stern up there for Avengers writers.

The best Bendis' Avengers comics were still the ones about the villains. The Dark Avengers storyline, which was pretty much the sequel to Warren Ellis' Thunderbolts, I thought was the best read. I think the early blowing up of the Avengers and the early arcs up to the Civil War are pretty good, but later on the stories got pretty streched out.

People gripe about his 'pet characters' but really what creator doesn't have some in super hero comics. I thought how he used Luke Cage was pretty great myself. As for the Scarlet Witch, the only thing Bendis did was just take it to an end - as the whole "Wanda is kinda nuts" storyline goes back 30+ years. I still think it would have been better idea to have had it to be Loki during the whole Ragnarok end of Thor story to be the key to set Wanda loose and destroy the Avengers (as afterall Loki is the manipulator of the Marvel U and he unwittingly created them), but hey everyone want's to blame\use Dr. Doom.

As for the Scarlet Witch, the only thing Bendis did was just take it to an end - as the whole "Wanda is kinda nuts" storyline goes back 30+ years.

The thing is, this had already been resolved by earlier writers; during Busiek's run, for example, Wanda came to a deeper understanding with the nature of her powers, and she is also shown to remember her kids. But all of this development is ignored by Bendis: all of a sudden Wanda doesn't remember the kids anymore, she's crazy again, her powers don't work the way everyone thought they would... This is one of the biggest reasons why people thought Bendis shat on Busiek's run, and ruined Wanda. And it's not like Wanda was essential to the whole storyline, Bendis could've easily used several other characters to achieve the same ends, and without discarding the work of previous writers.

And let's just say I'm not one of those people who think Continuity Is God and should never be tweaked, but on the other hand completely ignoring it is a bit shitty too, since continuity is one of the things that makes the Marvel and DC universes different from comics with original characters, so if you don't care about it, you should probably be writing your own characters and not ones with decades of history.

New Avengers/Secret Avengers better than Avengers proper in the Bendis era.

Hickman seems to be doing pretty good stuff. I really liked his Secret Warriors as well.