Oops, starting in the wrong order, but enjoying it anyway!
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 8 October 2012 19:17 (thirteen years ago)
As long as you read each arc in order you can enjoy each however you like. Some bits will resonate more of you know this or that, but hey, that's what re-reading is for.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 8 October 2012 19:24 (thirteen years ago)
each successive series directly informs the earlier works in really meaningful ways so the book really rewards rereading at intervalsyou'll be pretty confused in twilight. ride it out. much is explained.by the way, Ralph Azhum is unsurprisingly great
― EVERYONE COOKING SCMABLED EGGS,CHEESE WITH TOASTER!! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 October 2012 19:50 (thirteen years ago)
read vol 1 of zenith today. lots of fun. i feel like there are some moments that are super classic sfar (like a line or illustration that is completely weirdo in his style) and i wonder how closely they worked together on dungeon?
― Mordy, Monday, 8 October 2012 22:43 (thirteen years ago)
i assume really closely, bc that's how these things go, but did sfar share some of the writing?
yeah, sfar and trondheim co-write pretty much all of dungeon, sorry i didn't make that clear.I see more trondheim touches honestly but together they're very voltron.
― EVERYONE COOKING SCMABLED EGGS,CHEESE WITH TOASTER!! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 October 2012 23:01 (thirteen years ago)
i can't believe i'm just finding out about these. i spent the last ~4 years wondering where all the new sfar in translation books were
― Mordy, Monday, 8 October 2012 23:06 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.tcj.com/reviews/dungeon-monstres-vol-4/simply can't believe it's taken them over a year to get a new volume out in english grrrrrrrr
― EVERYONE COOKING SCMABLED EGGS,CHEESE WITH TOASTER!! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 October 2012 23:12 (thirteen years ago)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-g6NiBNNcn44/UFrHarmlz5I/AAAAAAAABqk/fJCbdhrNIOQ/s1600/thehivecover.jpg
Out tomorrow!
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 00:36 (thirteen years ago)
that's been out for a couple of weeks, I saw a big stack of the Cape edition in a bookshop last week
― fistula-la-la (sic), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 00:49 (thirteen years ago)
(for a fairly ludicrous $36)
― fistula-la-la (sic), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 00:55 (thirteen years ago)
wait did he finish it, what was the deal with that
― set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 01:00 (thirteen years ago)
presumably he's finished this chapter, which is book 2 of 3
― fistula-la-la (sic), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 02:31 (thirteen years ago)
amazon just sent me a note sending they sent today
― EVERYONE COOKING SCMABLED EGGS,CHEESE WITH TOASTER!! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 03:00 (thirteen years ago)
xp wow the love for Dungeon is pretty inspiring and I'll pick up that 3-book initial set
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:12 (thirteen years ago)
Hive is pretty UH, very in line with what i've come to expect from Burns
― EVERYONE COOKING SCMABLED EGGS,CHEESE WITH TOASTER!! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:13 (thirteen years ago)
NBM should make a kickstarter for translating the rest of what's available
― Mordy, Saturday, 13 October 2012 21:21 (thirteen years ago)
Liking Hive even though, yeah, it's predictable Burns. Friend of mine got me into Wolverine and the X-Men too, which is surprisingly good even when it's inundated with Avengers/X-Men crossover bullshit I really don't care about.
Not a comic, but has anyone checked out Steve Howe's Marvel Comics: The Untold Story? I'm about halfway through and it's a pretty satisfying read so far, referencing stuff like Stan Lee's screenplay with Alain Resnais that I totally forgot about.
― no love spud webb (fadanuf4erybody), Sunday, 14 October 2012 05:05 (thirteen years ago)
It's in my Amazon cart but I haven't bought it yet.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 14 October 2012 13:44 (thirteen years ago)
current google search page with little nemo on it is unbelievably good
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 October 2012 04:09 (thirteen years ago)
yeah that's gorgeous
― set the controls for the arse of your mum (sic), Monday, 15 October 2012 04:19 (thirteen years ago)
wow, really good. scott mccloud would be proud
― Nhex, Monday, 15 October 2012 04:43 (thirteen years ago)
yeah, def want to read this - the spurgeon/raphael stan lee biography also goes into detail about the resnais collaboration (iirc, there were in fact two unproduced screenplays in the end), and it also mentions stan's early 70s silver surfer screenplay, which apparently had a blaxploitation theme! the sad truth of stan's career is that w/out inspired collaborators like kirby and ditko, he simply wasn't a good enough writer to ever make it in the movies.
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 15 October 2012 08:08 (thirteen years ago)
w/out a romita (& 4 years of ditko's momentum) he couldn't even make it in comics
― set the controls for the arse of your mum (sic), Monday, 15 October 2012 11:14 (thirteen years ago)
Scott McCloud @scottmccloudTalked to the Google Doodle team in advance about today's beautiful Winsor McCay webcomic. Fantastic to see it in action!
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 15 October 2012 12:12 (thirteen years ago)
I think I chose the wrong book to start with houellebecq. I just finished the map and the territory in a few days - it wasn't boring - but I was expecting it to be much more brutal. the artspeak was not that good but he was probably mocking it most of the time I hope, and I wanted to know more about olga, william morris, jed's father, houellebecq himself, the novel should have been longer! the small amounts of caustic stuff made me laugh quite a lot, what should I read if I want houellebecq at his most unpleasant?
― wolves lacan, Monday, 15 October 2012 12:53 (thirteen years ago)
Whoa that Google Nemo thing is incredible.
Blog I follow reminded me of Giardino's 'Little Ego' which is awesome, he's great ...
Picked up some Dungeon and loving it, polished off Zenith and now on to the Parades.
― Brakhage, Monday, 15 October 2012 17:18 (thirteen years ago)
^^^
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 15 October 2012 19:37 (thirteen years ago)
reading Superman: The Man of Tomorrow Archives Volume 1
good lord the one where he convinces Lois his "true identity" is Alfred E. Neuman
― Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 October 2012 17:11 (thirteen years ago)
D. K. Goodwin's Team of Rivals
― crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 October 2012 17:16 (thirteen years ago)
oh well, rong board
― crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 October 2012 17:17 (thirteen years ago)
*tries to think of some comics Morbs would like*
― WilliamC, Monday, 22 October 2012 17:19 (thirteen years ago)
morbz:
http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/image_cover/Golems_Mighty_Swing.jpg
― Mordy, Monday, 22 October 2012 17:22 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.monitorduty.com/imgs/oldimages/superkiss-thumb.jpg
― Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 October 2012 17:24 (thirteen years ago)
Just picked up the last Ganges, which has been kicking around a while, but I loved - probably the most OTM thing I've read about insomnia. I've been dubious about his previous books, but the "weird" stuff seemed a lot more integrated into the story here (so not "weird" at all), which appealed to me as a straightforward-narrative fascist.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 10:28 (thirteen years ago)
In terms of Dungeon reading order - it's not a huge deal either way, but I would recommend reading them in the order that they were published. This can get a little tricky though, because sometimes there was a long gap between the first story in an English volume and the second story. Here's the publication order as far as I can tell:
Zenith 1abTwilight 1aEarly Years 1aZenith 2aParade 1aTwilight 1bEarly Years 1bMonsters 1aParade 1bMonsters 1b(Bonus 1 not in English)Zenith 2bTwilight 2aParade 2aMonsters 2aMonsters 4abEarly Years 2aMonsters 2b(Monsters story not in English)Monsters 3a(Bonus 2 not in English)Monsters 3bParade 2bTwilight 2b(Monsters story not in English)Early Years 2b(Bonus 3 not in English)Zenith 3a(Bonus 4 not in English)Twilight 3a(Bonus 5 not in English)(Parade story not in English)(Monster story not in English)Zenith 3b(Monster story not in English)(Early Years story not in English)Twilight 3b
― Panaïs Pnin (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:55 (thirteen years ago)
just got
The Mighty Thor Marvel Masterworks Vol 8 - the end of the Kirby run (1969) and oddly it seems most evident in the scripting/dialogue, the comic is way less wordy than previous years. weird. the Galactus origin story is fun.Uncle Scrooge: Only a Poor Old Man - this is awesome
― Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 19:16 (thirteen years ago)
I finally read Akira. Damn good, that.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 19:57 (thirteen years ago)
the end of the Kirby run (1969) and oddly it seems most evident in the scripting/dialogue, the comic is way less wordy than previous years.
think it's a combination of things - the crucial switch to a much smaller original art size, jack being increasingly unhappy and unengaged, stan busy elsewhere, etc
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:49 (thirteen years ago)
Thanks for running order Kid - I'm reading the Dungeons in narrative running order, when I can get copies (they seem to be going OOP pretty quick, some orders of mine had to be refunded).
Reading the Walking Dead comic right now, it's really interesting comparing it to the show.
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:13 (thirteen years ago)
huh the art-size switch isn't mentioned in the intro, didn't know about that. innarestin
xp
― Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:14 (thirteen years ago)
someone mentioned Moto Hagio upthread, so i took out a short story collection... some beautiful drama in there.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 01:57 (thirteen years ago)
trying bechdel's are you my mother... so grindingly frustratingly introspective but expertly done
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 16:28 (thirteen years ago)
Blimey, Are You My Mother is AWFUL! All that skill and time spent on an enterprise of embarrassing self-absorbed nitwittery
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 23:02 (thirteen years ago)
my brother just sent me The Transmutation of Ike Garuda. man I don't remember hearing anything about this when it came out, although I do have vague memories of Starstruck. looks pretty great so far.
― Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 October 2012 21:30 (thirteen years ago)
I have read Bechdel's earlier stuff btw
― crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 October 2012 21:37 (thirteen years ago)
yeah i gotta say i agree with morrison but all that skill!
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Friday, 26 October 2012 03:39 (thirteen years ago)
Shakey Mo, FWIW there's more on the art size change here:
http://www.artofthecomicbook.com/history/art-reduction.htm
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 26 October 2012 06:04 (thirteen years ago)
btw Matt Fraction's Hawkeye is incredible
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 03:28 (thirteen years ago)
I read this review of it:
Hawkeye #2-3: I hate to use the term Mary Sue, but suddenly Hawkeye’s a down dude who lives in Brooklyn where he attends rooftop parties with his neighbors, he loves 1970 Dodge Challengers, and he’s as irresistible to women as billionaire playboy Tony Stark and famous lawyer Matt Murdock, so what else do you call it. How any of this squares with the basics of the character — why he suddenly lives in Brooklyn instead of wherever it is that the Avengers live, why he’s a super-cool dude instead of the ex-circus ex-con archer guy…I dunno, it feels like Matt Fraction poured a bunch of unrelated ideas into a Hawkeye-shaped vessel because that’s what was available. I’m not saying there’s some One True Hawkeye out there, I’m saying I don’t think Hawkeye, One True or otherwise, is anything but an extraordinarily flimsy frame on which to hang surface-cool writing like this. At least we’re past the Russian guy who said “bro” all the time from the first issue, Fraction’s worst writing since the cussing dwarf from Iron Man, but these issues also set up the distasteful idea that Hawkeye and the girl who took over for him in the Young Avengers want to fuck but think it’s a bad idea, so it’s hardly a step in the right direction.
― sug night (sic), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 03:43 (thirteen years ago)