Miller vs. Millar vs. Ennis

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Yeah, I'd heard that too. And as I recall, it was on the sort of the tail end of the whole ELSEWORLDS thing, which DC had slowed way down on in the early part of the 2000s.

It's certainly possible that it was part of a cash-in on Millar's name. Though my understanding of things was that Marvel had been courting Millar since the very start of him writing THE AUTHORITY and the ever-escalating insanity on the book was part of making him more marketable to Marvel.

Matt M., Thursday, 19 April 2012 23:57 (twelve years ago) link

I still wish that Morrison/Millar/Waid/Peyer(?) Supes team had happened

Number None, Friday, 20 April 2012 00:00 (twelve years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 20 April 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, Peyer was the last leg in that. I suspect a lot of GM's contribution to that ended up in ALL-STAR, but still it would have been nice to have "the real" Superman go through those changes.

Matt M., Friday, 20 April 2012 00:17 (twelve years ago) link

Morrison has said that All-Star was not the same ideas.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Friday, 20 April 2012 00:51 (twelve years ago) link

Ah, interesting. Now I want to dig that pitch up and read it over again.

However, in all likelihood, I'll end up distracted by the kids for two hours and forget all about it.

Matt M., Friday, 20 April 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link

frankly, being able to draw is at least half the battle afaic

You have seen Dark Night Strikes Back or whatever it was called, right? Art was shit.

seven league bootie (James Morrison), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago) link

I wouldn't call it "shit", but I agree that it's far from his best work. Was clearly an experiment, his attempt to go pop. Not entirely successful, still somewhat interesting.

yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:13 (twelve years ago) link

Warren Ellis is the third part of the triad that really fits on this thread with Millar and Ennis.

I can completely see some of the complaints that pretty much he writes comics almost just to get off whatever thing is on his mind, but man one thing I will give to Ellis is when he is on, the guy is about the BEST writer of a single issue comic book of any of these guys working now. He gets the format and really understands what makes it tick.

At their best, to me, I think Ellis and Ennis are both about the same level but really hit a different kind of visceral reaction. They got different kinds of obsessions, but when they work on a comic that means something to them, it's in there.

I definitely don't like all Ellis has done, as some of it seems like one good idea really stretched out. The guy has also maddeningly for whatever catastrophe befell the world left a decent handful of series left hanging dead letter office. Sick thing is some of them are really damn good (2nd arc Desolation Jones, Doktor Sleepless, Fell) and won't get finished. I suppose it comes down to that they never really sold big enough to make it happen, but it's sad, as there are more real ideas in those series in all of Millar's comics combined that I have read.

earlnash, Friday, 20 April 2012 03:23 (twelve years ago) link

The Millar/GMoz Flash stuff is really pretty good, at the end of the day.

Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Friday, 20 April 2012 07:14 (twelve years ago) link

Aye, and that's the stuff I was talking about - it's allegedly 3 Millar / 3 Morrison / 3 Millar / 3 Morrison. Though they'd doubtless both claim a larger percentage was theirs, now.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 20 April 2012 07:26 (twelve years ago) link

with miller out of the running and accepting earlnash's sub of ellis, it's ellis in a walk. he wrote planetary, and that's enough for me. liked millar's authority more than ellis', but not enough to tip the scales. never been an ennis fan, the tone of his stuff just bugs me.

yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Friday, 20 April 2012 07:47 (twelve years ago) link

Planetary sucks an analogue of my balls.

AF re Flash - nah:

#129-#131 is co-written
#133 is probably 99.6% Morrison
#134 is co-plotted but written by Millar
#135 who gives a shit, this is the awful crossover with Architect Green Lantern and Young Green Arrow (OK it's co-plotted and then probably written by Morrison bcz he was using them all in JLA)
#136-138 is co-written but mainly Millar (this is assumption, based both on Morrison being gone before the end of the run, and on it being Sonic Vs The Flash, and Millar having written the Sonic comic for yonks, so)
#139-141 is solely credited to Millar.

The taking turns thing (on credited co-writes) was basically a 2-man American sitcom "writer's room" - they'd break stories together, work out plot beats per issue, then trade off issue-by-issue on writing a script, and bring it back for a two-man polish. Though usually Grant would parachute out once the plane was off the runway (cf Swamp Thing, Vampirella, this).

(Their falling out is generally largely traced to Morrison ghosting an entire issue of Millar's Authority run solo and a) Millar putting his own name on it, instead of a joke credit, and b) not telling anyone to pay Morrison instead of paying him.)

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Friday, 20 April 2012 08:04 (twelve years ago) link

I would be amazed if The Human Race (136-138) was written by anyone other than Morrison - it has the childhood friend that turns out to be real _and_ the "now the humans save the heroes" ending that he re-used for JLA.

Haha that is a completely plausible way for them to fall out :)

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 20 April 2012 08:40 (twelve years ago) link

Red Son doesn't hold up that well on second reading, great concept though. And I still love Comrade Batski.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 20 April 2012 10:56 (twelve years ago) link

this is a good voting result

boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

Morrison was definitely still plotting and some scripting on The Human Race! I'm just betting Millar did more than 50%.

ha ha I looked it up and Morrison had suggested the Authority issue be credited to "The Mock Millar Experience"

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:06 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

http://www.clickhole.com/theysaidwhat/find-out-what-paul-mccartney-frank-miller-and-mich-1054

kinda shocked by how frank miller looks these days. (i guess i haven't seen a picture since robocop3)

koogs, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 14:19 (nine years ago) link

It's sort've addressed in this Sean Howe interview piece:

http://www.wired.com/2014/08/frank-miller-sin-city-a-dame-to-kill-for/

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 14:27 (nine years ago) link

he's looked really really bad for at least a decade

Never saw this thread before. I'd go with Miller obv for an extended, albeit long-past, period of greatness. I hate the other two guys completely.

von Daniken Donuts (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 14:32 (nine years ago) link

Wow, that Wired portrait of Miller is brutal:

http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/ff_frankmiller2_f.jpg

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 14:38 (nine years ago) link

He looks like Richard Harris' corpse.

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 14:39 (nine years ago) link

a cake after a night of rain

von Daniken Donuts (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 14:40 (nine years ago) link

jesus christ, and i thought he looked broken down 10 years ago

Nhex, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link

that person is 57 years old, unbelievably

von Daniken Donuts (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 14:54 (nine years ago) link

He's reached 'Peak Opinion'.

WilliamC, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 15:05 (nine years ago) link

wired:
> Sin City: A Dame to Kill For, the sequel to the 2005 blockbuster that represents his last artistic and commercial success

300 was 2006, was that not successful?

koogs, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 15:11 (nine years ago) link

i would say less so critically/artistically

Nhex, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 15:17 (nine years ago) link

> Zack Snyder's meticulous adaptation of 300 earned $456 million

sounds ok to me. i guess fm was less involved in the film but i'd still count that as his work and a success.

i didn't know about the spirit or the batman book that was immediately after it.

did just re-read DKR though and it felt like meeting an old friend.

koogs, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 15:26 (nine years ago) link

he genuinely looks weeks from death

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd65/Buzzetta_photos/frank-miller-comic-con-sin-city-2.jpg

Number None, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 15:30 (nine years ago) link

I'm planning to reread his (and nocenti's!) run on DD pretty soon. Psyched tbh. But idk if I'll ever revisit DKR.

von Daniken Donuts (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:29 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, I was never particularly enthused with TDKR. Don't really get the hype (or at least the proportion of the hype). Year One is pretty great, though. And I do dig what I've read of his DD run (which I guess I'll also be reading in its entirety soon enough).

Truly Outrageous (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:49 (nine years ago) link

Meanwhile, the Syfy network has announced a series based on Ronin,

omg please no

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link

sadly, probably won't be as good as Samurai Jack

Nhex, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 17:00 (nine years ago) link

But it'll be at least as good as Lavalantula, I'd think.

Truly Outrageous (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 17:19 (nine years ago) link

Not much is as good as samurai jack tbh.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 25 September 2014 06:14 (nine years ago) link

true

Nhex, Thursday, 25 September 2014 06:29 (nine years ago) link

Is it too nosy to ask whether something's wrong with Miller? Like, does he have a chronic disease or something? I know he's always been thin, but those recent Comic Con pics look do indeed look worrisome.

Tuomas, Thursday, 25 September 2014 07:05 (nine years ago) link

see Ward's post.

Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Thursday, 25 September 2014 07:26 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, I read that article, but it only has a short allusion to some vague rumours to explain his health. I guess it could be drugs, but it's kinda hard to imagine someone with a worldview like Miller's doing drugs... Though who knows?

Tuomas, Thursday, 25 September 2014 07:43 (nine years ago) link

I'm assuming there's the usual loophole where alcohol's not a drug?

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 25 September 2014 08:41 (nine years ago) link

I guess you shouldn't generalize, but in my experience alcoholics tend to look bloated, not gaunt.

Tuomas, Thursday, 25 September 2014 09:32 (nine years ago) link

yeah, that's not really true overall

Number None, Thursday, 25 September 2014 09:57 (nine years ago) link

There was this from a couple years back
http://nypost.com/2012/10/10/ex-staffer-sues-dark-knight-comic-creator-girlfriend-for-hostile-work-environment/

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 25 September 2014 11:23 (nine years ago) link

Jesus, just one of things would be enough to cause me to quit, amongst other things

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 25 September 2014 12:03 (nine years ago) link

They probably had a poster of a cat hanging in there to counterbalance.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 25 September 2014 12:10 (nine years ago) link

Jesus, Miller looks 87, not 57. I don't much care for the man and his work now, but that is a shocking decline in the six years since this picture was taken.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/FrankMillerSanDiego_crop.jpg

Pheeel, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:03 (nine years ago) link

the implication of drug use explains a lot

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:09 (nine years ago) link

I'm repulsed by a lot of his politics but I feel really bad for the guy

⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 2 October 2014 13:13 (nine years ago) link


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