in dude's defense, grant morrison is also bonkers.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
sure, but Morrison's stories tend to be crazy in the sense of "I can't believe he just did that", not in the sense of "what the fuck does this mean"
― a variable (sic) "League of Nations" (DJP), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
eh I dunno some of his stuff can be pretty oblique, especially if you aren't paying close attention to seemingly minor details. otoh the clerk's comment just seems wrong
― No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
maybe Morrison is in control of his madness, where Adams is not
― No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
Morrison does a lot of big picture crazy where all the details really only make sense if you look at the whole storyline (and have a deep understanding of kabbalah).
Adams is just nutso
― mh, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
the only Morrison thing I've read that I thought didn't make sense no matter how many times I read it was Mr Miracle and that was only because it relied heavily on assumed knowledge outside of the book; even Shining Knight had a massive "A-HA!" moment that made the first two issues intelligible in retrospect
― a variable (sic) "League of Nations" (DJP), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
well there's the thing where Morrison's sentences all seem to be related to each other, for starters― a variable (sic) "League of Nations" (DJP), Wednesday, July 20, 2011
TBF, that is hardly a consistently accurate assumption
― generous doler out of lollies (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
lol being a Kirby nerd I had no problems with Mr. Miracle
― No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
The main criterion one should have of a solicitation is "Does it make me wish to read the book in question?" This one, in all its jolly oddness ("...BY MAN OR HERO."; "...BRING TIME TO A STANDSTILL.") most certainly does.
I think what's drawing the most attention is the lack of any exclamation marks, thus rendering all its absurdity po-faced. Absurdity is always better sans hyperbole - who knows what awaits?
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
Adams has been a mentalist very occasionally making terrible, unreadable comics for thirty years now (until Odyssey, which is either terrible and compulsively readable, or amazing and unreadable) - clerk otm
― Booger T. Jones (sic), Thursday, 21 July 2011 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
TIME... ITSELF!
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:34 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.newsarama.com/images/bmody_v2_cv2_r1_02.jpg
― Richard Nixon's Field of Warmth (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 15 August 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
It's BEAUTIFUL.
― Matt M., Monday, 15 August 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
What the hell? The head cages made of tusks - how are they attached? And why?
Can't guess how, but as to why I'm postulating those are like the lampshade things vets put on pets so they don't lick/bite a healing wound or surgical scar etc.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 15 August 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
So that they can't attack the rider or people standing nearby when stationary, I think
― mh, Monday, 15 August 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
Has anyone ever addressed the unlikely coincidence that Bruce Wayne & Boy Wonder share the same initials? If not, I have a pitch for THE summer event of 2013!
― like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 03:41 (twelve years ago) link
Batman: Odyssey is the only Batman book I ever want to read
― do not wake the dragon (DJP), Saturday, 22 October 2011 14:02 (twelve years ago) link
^
― ge0rge (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 24 October 2011 02:43 (twelve years ago) link
just read this whole thread, i am dying
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Monday, 24 October 2011 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
it's a tragedy if this was canceled
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Monday, 24 October 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
it's still running; they started a volume 2
― loads of personality, loved to chase chickens (forksclovetofu), Monday, 24 October 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
need to sit down and reread all of these
― do not wake the dragon (DJP), Monday, 24 October 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
gonna do a first readthru finally in about five minutes
― loads of personality, loved to chase chickens (forksclovetofu), Monday, 24 October 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
oh my god every page is immensely impossible and utterly insanethis is kind of magic
― loads of personality, loved to chase chickens (forksclovetofu), Monday, 24 October 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
I liked Ra's moping around like Charlie Brown. "Sigh..."
― Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Monday, 24 October 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
i was drowsy when i read this and i fell asleep and when i woke up everything i heard or read sounded like gibberish to me
― loads of personality, loved to chase chickens (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link
So Batman: Odyssey was the only sane thing in an insane world? Awesome.
― Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 01:29 (twelve years ago) link
Might as well post this here because it's a goddamn Batman book by any other name -- but omg, Holy Terror is so insane and bad. Miller didn't even try to make it good, he just had to get the loathing down on paper as quickly as possible.
― Martyr McFly (WmC), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:35 (twelve years ago) link
explains why he spent eight years working on it
― the men who glare at stoats (sic), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:59 (twelve years ago) link
oh what an octopus of a thing
― Mordy, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 04:12 (twelve years ago) link
he did a fantastic job of making it look like he spent three weeks working on it
― Martyr McFly (WmC), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 12:38 (twelve years ago) link
Margaret Atwood on Batman http://www.beamsandstruts.com/bits-a-pieces/item/653-atwood-on-batman
― like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
real insightful there
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
jesus fuck, adams is digging a lot deeper than atwood there.
― loads of personality, loved to chase chickens (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
bought v2 #1 today because of this thread. jesus. <3 neal adams
― adam, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:28 (twelve years ago) link
When is Odyssey going to be collected? I hate buying floppies but want to support this madness.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
Volume 1 should be available by now.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
Holly crap! Odyssey just keeps getting better. If this isn't hailed as a classic when it's through I weep for humanity.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 19 January 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
coming in September:
BATMAN: ODYSSEY HC Writer: Neal Adams Artists: Neal Adams, Josh Adams, Michael Golden, Kevin Nowlan, Bill Sienkiewicz, Scott Williams and Paul Neary Collects: BATMAN: ODYSSEY VOL. 1 #1-6 and VOL. 2 #1-7 $29.99 US, 368 pg
I am so there.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
All that crazy for only thirty bones? THAT'S A LOT OF CRAZY.
― Matt M., Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:44 (twelve years ago) link
It'll do until we get the ABSOLUTE LUNACY EDITION
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 03:57 (twelve years ago) link
this is full of double pp spreads y/n? will be unreadable in DC's glue-bound, no-gutter-space binding if so
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 05:28 (twelve years ago) link
hmm. Hadn't thought of that.
It'll probably do until the IDW artist edition.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 05:29 (twelve years ago) link
Bill Sienkiewicz,
wait waht
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
He's been inking most of the second volume. You can tell.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
So does that mean we're on the other side of the mirror here? Didn't Bill S. start out very much in the vein of Adams (along with half the other artists who started out in the 70s).
WE'VE CROSSED THE STREAMS.
― Matt M., Wednesday, 1 February 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
adams even drew a cartoon for the comics journal basically accusing sienkiewicz of copying his old batman comics for moon knight
but then adams has often surrounded himself w. 'school of adams' associates and fellow travellers - for example, the DC artist mike nasser/netzer was a straight adams copyist who went on to do an awful lot of 'ghosting' for adams on shit like ms mystic and skateman. almost everything adams has signed his name to since the late seventies - and possibly earlier - has been the work of 'diverse hands', inc colouring, inking, layouts, etc.
it is incredible, tho, what has happened to bill sienkiewicz's career - did he lose interest, heart, credibility, compulsion?
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
I get the feeling he never wanted the ultra-high profile he was getting. He also stepped away into commercial art for a while.
I know there was a documentary done a few years ago about him but I never saw it.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
He always did commercial art on the side AFAIK, another aspect of following Adams – his turn to inking schlock in the 90s seemed to me to be entirely of a piece with that, something he could churn out quickly for money, except without dealing with revisions from ad house art directors.
I’ve also always taken as significant that he abandoned storytelling in comics completely* two episodes into A River In Egypt – he was starting his third self-written story ever, what was meant to be a second major work, and it immediately revealed itself to be about the same topic as his previous two stories (ie ǝsnqɐ pʃıɥɔ). It looked to me like he’d realised this was the main theme that was going to come out every time he wrote, and he made either a deliberate or visceral reaction to walk away, for understandable reasons.
*As far as I know, the only pages of comics he’s done himself since then were for the Endless Somethingorother hardcover – and there, he turned in 20-some paintings for a 12-page story (or whatever), including multiple takes at various ones, and not matching the script - such that Gaiman ended up picking the ones he liked the look of best, choosing an order for them to go in, and rewriting a new story over the top.
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Thursday, 2 February 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago) link
Also he started advocating for earth expansion theory
― mh, Thursday, 2 February 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago) link