its real interesting but boy he comes off like a crank! do people take the stuff he was saying at face value? i mean this has to be bullshit right:
GROTH: Can I ask what your involvement in Spider-Man was?KIRBY: I created Spider-Man. We decided to give it to Steve Ditko. I drew the first Spider-Man cover. I created the character. I created the costume. I created all those books, but I couldn’t do them all. We decided to give the book to Steve Ditko who was the right man for the job. He did a wonderful job on that.
:/
― ( . __ . ) . o O ( cum ) (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
that is not bullshit and other people have confirmed it
― metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
he did draw the first cover, had previously done The Spider, and was an old man who got somewhat confused. Roz was there basically to be extra memory and nudge him back onto the rails.
― the man who forsook his wife for fap fap fap (sic), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
that he designed the character/costume/drew the first cover is not disputed
― metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
isn't there more material out there confirming ditko designed the costume?
― ( . __ . ) . o O ( cum ) (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
like kirby designed *A* spider-man costume, but not THE spider-man costume
― ( . __ . ) . o O ( cum ) (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
there's at least like five different accounts - Lee, Kirby, Ditko, Simon, Evanier, etc. - they all agree that he created the costume and drew the image that appears on the cover of Spider-man's first comic appearance
― metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
not according to ditko, dude.
Steve Ditko: "Kirby had penciled five pages of his Spider-Man. How much pure Kirby, how much Lee is for them to resolve. The splash was the only one with a drawing of Spider-Man. A typical Kirby hero/action shot. But the costume is what is important. I'm uncertain about the abstract chest design. The closest thing to it is the one on Ant-man."
Steve Ditko: "Kirby's Spider-Man had a web gun, never seen in use. The only connection to the spider theme was the name. The other four pages showed a teenager living with his aunt and uncle. The aunt was a kindly old woman, the uncle was a retired police captain, hard, gruff, the General Thunderbolt Ross type (from Hulk), and he was down on the teenager. Next door or somewhere in the neighborhood there was a whiskered scientist-type involved in some kind of experiment or project. The end of the five pages depicted the kid going toward the scientists darkened house."
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AZaPyN-5kD4/TAz3D1FXQSI/AAAAAAAABaU/Lzh4l7ZI3ks/s1600/2010-06-07_094113.png
― ( . __ . ) . o O ( cum ) (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.povonline.com/jackfaq/JackFaq4.htm
Did Jack design Spider-Man's costume?
No. Steve Ditko designed the distinctive costume we all know and love. Jack did claim to have presented the idea to Stan Lee of doing a hero named Spiderman (no hyphen) who walked on walls and had other spider-themed powers — a claim which Stan vociferously denies.
But for all the things Jack did well, he was not great at being interviewed. He occasionally got carried away or confused. There was one interview where, without realizing what he was saying, he said he'd created Superman. Needless to say, he never really believed that but somehow, that's what came out of his mouth.
This kind of thing most often occurred when the topic veered near an instance where Jack felt he'd been undercredited and undercompensated, and Spider-Man was such a case. In at least one such conversation, he misspoke and claimed he'd designed the costume for the final version of Spider-Man. I'm guessing the gaffe had something to do with the fact that he did pencil the cover of Amazing Fantasy #15 with the first appearance of that costume. There were a number of cases where Jack designed a character on a cover, and then Don Heck or Dick Ayers or someone else drew the interior story, following his design. In this case, however, the cover was drawn after Stan had rejected one drawn wholly by Ditko
Jack knew that. And he also knew what it was like to have someone else claim credit for your ideas. So he very much regretted the error.
― ( . __ . ) . o O ( cum ) (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
hmm well I'll defer to Evanier and claim I'm only half-right then (ie, drawing the cover, doing a rough draft, etc)
Spider-man does bear an uncanny resemblance to the Fly blah blah blah
― metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
Happy 94th Birthday Mr Kirby
http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/08/thor-158-page18-kirby-original-art.jpg
― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 28 August 2011 09:40 (twelve years ago) link
Lot's more great original Kirby pages here (nice to see Jack's pencil notes at the top of the Odin pic):
― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 28 August 2011 09:43 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/GnMPF.jpg
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i_qxQztHRI (Princess TamTam), Sunday, 28 August 2011 09:48 (twelve years ago) link
Happy Birthday to the King!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6hX21EYFyY
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 28 August 2011 10:59 (twelve years ago) link
Love that pointy-hatted dude behind Odin. He looks MEAN.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A1yJZKDwIRE
^^^interview w Jack Kirby on his 70th bday. amazingly, Stan Lee calls in at the end and they argue about who did what
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
also lol at Lee big upping Watchmen and Dark Knight (and uh John Byrne)
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
really y'all should listen to this, it's very illuminating and kind of heartbreaking
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
I can not relate how wonderful this is, and I'm only about a third through.
― Matt M., Saturday, 3 September 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
pretty amazing interview
― thank got forks showed up (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 3 September 2011 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
I own a Kirby (and Royer) "Kamandi" page. I could seriously part with everything I own in a heartbeat but never my Kirby page.
― Vendo Caramelos A Veces Sin Dinero (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 3 September 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
also touches briefly on Spiderman creation controversy
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 September 2011 02:22 (twelve years ago) link
love that stan is all like "and i guess people will argue who did what forever"um motherfucker, the two of you are on the phone. TELL US
― thank got forks showed up (forksclovetofu), Monday, 5 September 2011 05:56 (twelve years ago) link
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/426184_10150513246450834_127661820833_8941204_1439079736_n.jpg
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
Woah, that's just great. Where'd you find it?
― Matt M., Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
I got it from Brian Clevinger (the Atomic Robo guy) on twitter. He got it from novelist Adam Christopher. Not sure where it originated beyond that.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
That shot is so good that if it didn't exist, we'd have to make it up.
― Matt M., Wednesday, 15 February 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
facebook'd btw
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
aw!
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
Has anyone ever did a rough estimate of exactly how many comics Kirby did? Just with what he did at Marvel in the 60s FF-on has to be a couple of long boxes in itself.
― earlnash, Thursday, 16 February 2012 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
The first thing that popped into my head was "probably roughly 100 pages of pencils a month." From 1940 to 1976 or whenever he moved to animation, that would be 43,000+ pages JEEEEEZ.
― Steamtable Willie (WmC), Thursday, 16 February 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
I doubt he kept up that pace the whole time, but still...
― Steamtable Willie (WmC), Thursday, 16 February 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago) link
kirby's most productive years as a penciller were, roughly, 1960-1978, when, for some of the time, he might've been pencilling close to 100 pages a month, if you include covers, promotional pieces, basic layouts for other artists etc. but that still strikes me as a slightly high estimate (kirby really only had two 'regular' comic books at marvel for most of the 60s, FF and Thor, tho' of course he started off most of their big titles before others took over.0 during the 40s kirby's career was interrupted by the war, and up to the mid-1950s he was running the simon-kirby shop with joe simon, so for a lot of that time he was working in a more piecemeal fashion - supplying roughs/layouts to be finished in the house style, collaborating with other pencillers, writing scripts etc etc - tho' the 'pure' kirby pages still tend to stand out, esp. when inked by simon himself. by the mid-1950s, and the downturn in the comic bk industry, kirby was actually struggling to keep himself busy - he was drawing less than a comic a month for DC, and so tried his hand at A newspaper strip, with fairly unhappy results. as we know that kirby could, if pushed, pencil an entire comic book in a weekend (as he did with the first issue of Pvt Strong) he was actually UNDER-productive for much of his career!
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 16 February 2012 05:25 (twelve years ago) link
oh, and great photo - never seen it before
Found this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kirby_bibliography
Adding just the Marvel stuff in my head counting layout issues, I got like 515 issues there.
That is a whole lot of drawing.
― earlnash, Thursday, 16 February 2012 05:32 (twelve years ago) link
There are probably not too many if any artists in the whole Marvel history that more issues than Jack Kirby. 500+ issues is like doing one a month for 40 odd years.
I'd think John Buscema would maybe be the closest, as he usually had 2 titles going most of the time for years.
Sal Buscema would have worked on a ton too, although probably not as many pencils issues, as he did much more inking in the early days.
― earlnash, Thursday, 16 February 2012 05:39 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno, sal was a pretty regular penciller for marvel for 30 years plus (68-98), that's a lot of pages, maybe even more than kirby
jrjr must've drawn a lot of pages for marvel, by now
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 16 February 2012 08:52 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/XSmdV.jpg
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 19 February 2012 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
Love how the Silver Age guys produced all their crazy trippy shit while constantly wearing sharp pinstripes.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 20 February 2012 01:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/04/09/growing-up-kirby-the-marvel-memories-of-jack-kirbys-son/#/0
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 April 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
Best dad ever, sounds like.
― improvised explosive advice (WmC), Thursday, 12 April 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
Really nice article here about Kirby Kollages, including lots of examples shot from the original art:
http://imprint.printmag.com/illustration/jack-kirby%E2%80%99s-collages-in-context/
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
That's a nice article. Love that Metron piece.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
Whoa! Those are amazing.
― Brad C., Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
never seen (or even heard of) those Spirit World ones. Days of the Mob I've seen referenced at least.
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
Kirby Couture:
http://www.fashionising.com/runway/b--romance-was-born-aw-12-23407.html
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
Yikes
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
the one with the "cosmic energy" pants is, um, special.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 30 April 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
if you look at expression on model's face, there's a subtle shift from aloof stoicsm to despairing claustrophobia between outfits.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 30 April 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
anybody got any opinions on Kirby's 70s Captain America run...? I am considering getting the big omnibus for father's day
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 19:04 (eleven years ago) link