stet/keith question or whoever is in charge of code these days

i get so bogged down with my unread bookmarks i rarely look at SNA :(

I tend to rely on my browser's turning a viste3d link pink/the "new posts" unfilled dot. So when the site gets rebooted and they all clear, Im completely lost haha.

i get so bogged down with my unread bookmarks i rarely look at SNA :(

One of a few reasons why I changed my name!

There was a while where pplains wasn't on 77 yet, and I'd log in as Pleasant Plains to check in. Fuck, those bookmarks stacked up fast.

Check out the blue cursor on the side to give you an idea of how far up it goes.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/392/screenshot20120201at820.png

poll

yah after some p intense experiences w/stacked up bookmarks im careful abt unfollowing threads im not actively reading, only have 5 outstanding now

need to go back and bookmark "an erotic thriller" again tho'.

i have to clear bookmarks compulsively tbh

dont need to bookmark it... im living it

sux for you... most intercourse involves penetration you know.

i was lazy, but there really should have been a comma before those last two words.

hah

Im kinda amazed how many ppl use bookmarks this religiously. Ive nevre even given them a thought.

I could not use ilx without bookmarks, seriously

I used to be one of you, then I found help

use bookmarks y'all

the bookmarkers gag has already been done rite

argh even as I am reading about it, I'm automatically clicking 'bookmark' and it is annoying me!

this is still totally frustrating

you'll love it eventually!!!

ok, it's pissing me off too. back it goes. maybe into preferences ville

Nooooooooooo Stet! ;_;

haha

i liked it!

Why u brake haert Stet, u tease

LBI, preferences ville means YOU WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP IT THE NEW WAY, ffs

but we want everyone to HAVE to use it

think of the hive wont you

^^ exactly lol

xp

It's kinda like Portal or something. Or those parts in Pitfall II when you'd die and your character would literally be taken all the way back to the beginning.

you'll love it eventually!!!

I'm sorry markers, but I've had a couple days to try it out and I tried looking at it in various ways and trying to adjust, but really I just hate it.

fair enough \(^o^)/

it can't be gone soon enough afaic

the things you think are useless I just can't understand...

I do hope it goes to live w/ a nice family in Preferencesville tho so that everyone can be happy!

WmC - who are you talking to? I'm sure it's useful for the right person (markers) it's just making me crazy.

just quoting Steely Dan, don't mind me

Can I just... I have another question - didn't ILX use to remember your css choice when you logged out?

Because now, every time I remove my cookies and forget to exclude ilxor's cookie, I have to go "i want to change the way the site looks" again after I log back in. I think I remember I didn't always have to do that?

Hey Stan, if I remember rightly, and it is a few years ago now I wrote this stuff, I made the stylesheet be stored in a cookie, instead of most of your preferences, which are stored in the database.

This was so that people could set themselves up with one stylesheet at work and another at home. They might want to be more inconspicuous at work.

None of the software has changed in the past few years except what this thread is talking about.

(Oh to fully answer, I think there was a day back in the beginning where I did store it in the database - it's still in there; it's just not used, but it was probably in 2007 now).

I am trying to persevere with nuBookmarks and am becoming used to it. Most of the problems are down to my own impatience and random clicking that there's no need for.

Ok, thanks, Keith. No problem, this way I check out another stylesheet by accident once in a while :-)

hi keith, while we've got you, stet asked me to ask you to disable this "flag post" function, says thanks in advance

btw the bookmark thing is still doing the thing where it goes to the top of the page

also zing doesn't work ON IPAD but stet said you would release that tomorrow so thanks

Autumn, if I ever finish the big raft of stuff I have been looking at recently, the Cape of Good Hope will be the first to hear about it. But unfortunately, I developed ILX but not Zing, stet did that, so you'll have to chase him.

joeks

(honestly; I am not angling for an ipad zing)

When will the contested bookmark behavior go away? JUST CURIOUS NO PRESSURE.

plz :'(

haha u guys

Yes, the massive rewrite. I've seen a few of those. I did succeed in getting one done, but that was done by changing it bit by bit until it was no longer the old one, rather than the start from scratch approach, which I've never seen work.

React has been going for longer than most frameworks, but obviously in that timeframe you've had Angular (1!), Vue, Next etc. Maybe React will be the one framework that breaks the pattern that all other frameworks have followed and is viewed really positively in twenty years' time.

start from scratch approach, which I've never seen work

Haha, oh yeah, I forgot about that!

What I'm hearing here is that we're in the hands of a religious lunatic (complimentary)

Hey Dan, I thought you might like to know it's written in ML!

― Keith, Thursday, June 11, 2026 8:40 AM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

thats awesome that youre doing it in the unfashionable lang of your choice, as it should be

Maybe React will be the one framework that breaks the pattern that all other frameworks have followed and is viewed really positively in twenty years' time.

― Keith, Friday, June 12, 2026 6:07 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

no reason to use react anyway ilx isnt interactive like that

Thanks, it's been very interesting. Not least because at the beginning (when it was really just an experiment) I thought I'd run into all the brick walls that you usually do when you go off the beaten track, but the interesting thing is that it didn't happen. If you missed it, it's largely F#, so it's not like it's Standard ML—F# being a descendent of Standard ML via Ocaml. Doing it in Standard ML would have been somewhat crazy as (I assume) you'd have very limited libraries etc. With F# being a .NET language, you get the whole framework and e.g. the Kestrel runtime and I ran in to pretty much no roadblocks, so I just kept on doing it, and now I would struggle to imagine doing it any other way, because it's much better.

I actually started out writing a book on this subject, to try and write something engaging and motivational and avoided the details of e.g. lambda calculus, category theory etc. which most writing seems to dive straight into—stuff that's likely to put off 99% of readers. However, I decided some time back that if I'm going to do that, I had better have some experience of writing a significant application in this way, so it all got sidetracked into doing this.

So yeah I don't want to be having a go at React primarily because the thing that it was initially trying to solve is something that came straight out of ML in the 1970s, i.e. immutability and that the UI is a function of the state, so I think it at least has a real tangible reason for its existence, beyond just reframing existing APIs as many 'frameworks' do. Ironically, given that, I'm not using it, despite there being a lot of interactivity, but the reason for that is because I think to do a nice UI, the UI being a direct function of state is too simplistic... In reality, you want to transition from state A to state B, and I believe React has some bolt-ons in that space, but I'm just not willing to learn the mountains of stuff that it would involve when I know I could do it anyway. Stuff like Elm (another ML) has also explored this area, I believe, which would be much more in line with what I've done.

With F# being a .NET language, you get the whole framework and e.g. the Kestrel runtime and I ran in to pretty much no roadblocks, so I just kept on doing it, and now I would struggle to imagine doing it any other way, because it's much better.

thats cool idk anything about .net and so forth but it does sound like everything kinda just worked out which obvs isnt how things usually go lol

Well it worked out programming-wise at least, and yeah that's usually a lot harder if you're off the mainstream! I'm sure lots of people will still think it's shit 🤪.