Moby Dick

i left off about halfway through and just picked it up again a few weeks ago, and i'm almost done. i agree that it's a much more fun book than ppl say - i actually find all the technical detail about whaling pretty interesting.

it was a good thing the beginning turned out to be so funny. otherwise it would have been hard to press on.

I am almost finished this, reading it for my classic book club. It is an amazing book... I can see where people who hail it as the greatest ever novel in the English language are coming from.

And yes, it is very funny, and it does lots of strange digressions, but when the action gets going, Jesus. The last 100-150 pages of my edition are astonishingly page turning.

I tried this once, and failed.

the trick is to read it alound in your head in an "salty sea dog" voice

a "salty, er

have had this book out from the library since last...october. progress: 50 pages

Yarrr, a land lubber eee be.

ilx lubber more like it ;.;

i find a lot of melville's other work more interesting than moby dick, it was kind of a disappointment when i finally got around to it

I really enjoyed it when I read it earlier in the year, though I have a fondness for the tone of 19th-century encyclopaedias, which helped, I think.

I'm surprised at those who call it the Great American Novel, not because it's not great, but because it doesn't seem much concerned with America at all.

There is this theory that it is A Meditation On America - as opposed to a meditaton on whales and the maniacs who hunt them.

H. Bloom loves to compare Ahab to Andrew Jackson (it's been a while; is that conceit in the actual text?)...sometimes I think the "Great American Novel" hype is just because it's a great novel written by an American...

harold bloom is fat

reading it now - awesome.

"I'm surprised at those who call it the Great American Novel" :

one way of interpretation is to see the novel as an allegory to how destructive totalitarism is as oppose to democracy.
in a way, the book is one out of many foundations for the american democracy, as portrait by art.

Have been trying this and I started off really liking it, no problem with the the salty sea-dog prose and the characters were really striking; but then, my god, the endless digressions. History of whaling, crap cetology, how the crow's nest was invented... get on with the story already! I've pretty much given up ;_; perhaps there's an abridged version I could tackle.

Closer in some ways to Kafka

Which is interesting, because it's always been "Bartleby" that's considered a predessor to Kafka.

Anyway, after you all get done with Moby Dick, go read John Kessel's "Another Orphan," the story of a man who wakes up and becomes a character in that book. (It's much better than that description sounds. Trust me. )

A memorable sequence from chap 94, for those who like homoeroticism in their classics...

Squeeze! squeeze! squeeze! all the morning long; I squeezed that sperm
till I myself almost melted into it; I squeezed that sperm till a
strange sort of insanity came over me; and I found myself unwittingly
squeezing my co-laborers' hands in it, mistaking their hands for the
gentle globules. Such an abounding, affectionate, friendly, loving
feeling did this avocation beget; that at last I was continually
squeezing their hands, and looking up into their eyes sentimentally; as
much as to say,--Oh! my dear fellow beings, why should we longer cherish
any social acerbities, or know the slightest ill-humor or envy! Come;
let us squeeze hands all round; nay, let us all squeeze ourselves into
each other; let us squeeze ourselves universally into the very milk and
sperm of kindness.

Would that I could keep squeezing that sperm for ever!

And this, which I found in reading ABOUt Moby-Dick

The largest monster in antebellum literature was the kraken depicted in Eugene
Batchelder’s Romance of the Sea-Serpent, or The Ichthyosaurus (1849), a bizarre
narrative poem about a sea serpent that terrorizes the coast of Massachusetts,
destroys a huge ship in mid-ocean, repasts on human remains gruesomely
with sharks and whales, attends a Harvard commencement (where he has
been asked to speak), shocks partygoers by appearing at a Newport ball, and
at last is hunted and killed by a fleet of Newport sailors.

I need to read that.

Christ, now there's a mission - I like to imagine the nanosecond I submit my interlibary form (as I most certainly will), it'll come back NO! NO! NO! with no other explanation given.

That sounds like a poem I would love!

this book sux

I need to read that.

Full view over at Google Books, I see. It rhymes but it's written out in prose.

Argh! I can't find it. Link, please?

Try this one.

Am so reading that at the w/end.

Slightly better than this at least.

Thank you so much for this! These are the best/worst couplets ever.

Magic! Thank you for the link!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CqDk4jAv_Y4/S-eU94J7dCI/AAAAAAAAC50/l-79c_1TmiY/s1600/11.jpg

Thank you for the link!

Heck, I'd never heard of this, uh, marvel until your post.

Abbott's next paper... "Polarities of Prophetic Vision: Paradise Lost and Romance of the Sea-Serpent"

That sounds like a poem I would love!
--This is four-dimensional art; the 4th dimension is incredibly powerful. (Abbott)

They don't even try to keep a consistent meter. I needed this so bad in my life right now.

I'm designing myself a POD edition. Too 'good' not to have a physical copy.

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post-mortemizing

otm all around, i loved the whale facts chapters (whiteness of the whale otoh...), especially the part where he bids adieu to the sulphur bottom whale lol

Read it for a third time last year, the only book I’ve re-read in 20 or more years, gets more fun every time. The wrong science in the whale chapters never bothers me bc it always just ends up being in the service of teeing up some philosophical point in the last couple paragraphs anyhow, it’s never about actually teaching u about whales.

It was a good companion getting me through the dark weeks after USA Election Day 2016, I picked it up the morning after, thought it might be good to get a refresher on how to exist in a world filled with random disasters & unknowable evils

this time of year I always think about the passage early in the book where he talks about the special joy of looking out at cold winter night from a warm cozy indoor perch: it maketh a marvellous difference, whether thou lookest out at it from a glass window where the frost is all on the outside, or whether thou observest it from that sashless window, where the frost is on both sides... What a fine frosty night; how Orion glitters; what northern lights! Let them talk of their oriental summer climes of everlasting conservatories; give me the privilege of making my own summer with my own coals.

Also the part slightly later where he talks about how you cant fully enjoy being under a warm blanket in a cold room unless some part of you is sticking out to feel the cold & remind you how good you have it.

Love the whole book, but I miss Ishmael’s narration/asides when the book becomes more plot/Ahab/Starbuck focused towards the end.

i listened to e1 of talia levin's BIG MOBY DICK ENERGY podcast on stitcher: my conclusion is that the title and music have already palled but the discussion is engaging enough, bcz very enthusiastic (1st guest = ex-deadspin writer david roth) if not particularly deep so far*

*(viz they were both oddly stumped by what happens in the tale of lazarus and dives, possibly partly bcz this was a call forward to the next chapter which they hadn't reread with a view to discussing it, but still decided to discuss it anyway lol) (i mean i get not knowing much abt the new testament if you didn't grew up with it as an adjunct in yr education but it is probably going to be kind of an important element?)

anyway:

let us squeeze ourselves universally into the very milk and sperm of kindness

— Moby Dick (@MobyDickatSea) January 25, 2020

I found critical biography among the most illuminating I've read about any novelist/poet in recent years.

Is Ishmael a reference beyond the name? Not very familiar with lesser biblical figures.

He was Abraham's son with his wife's handmaid Hagar.

Ishmael was the child of Abraham and his wife’s servant Hagar, who was cast out from the family after Abraham and Sarah’s son Isaac was born. God promised to make Ishmael a great nation as well, separate from the line of Abraham that became the tribes of the Hebrews. So Ishmael might be a name implying wanderings, being an outsider, heterodoxy…

patriach of Islam too

There is a big picture of Melville in the cafe at the South Street Seaport location of McNally-Jackson bookstore which is quite appropriate.

It has that quality of the eyes seeming to follow you about, like the portrait or a certain patriarch of the family Flintstone.

god this is the best book ever. the way the "whale facts" chapters either explained things that had just happened or foreshadowed things to come was intoxicating, i always felt i was like running through these alleyways of lowkey narrative that inextricably bound the "actual" narrative

i have a moby-dick tattoo that i'm not embarrassed about, that is how much i love it

Sick

I found Melville's poems harder going than Moby-Dick.

I tried to read Confidence Man, wasn't happening

that's my least favorite of the novels I've read

god this is the best book ever

literally true

i only know about lazarus+dives because they're a recurring symbol in MLK sermons

I started trying to read Confidence Man cos Nick Cave was said to be a fan. Think I got a couple of chapters in. Must give it another go. This 30+years later.

i picked his book of civil war poems recently and it was really a chore, tough going indeed

christ, this revive scared me, i thought maybe melville had died or something

No, but 🚨 SPOILER/TRIGGER ALERT 🚨 I believe Billy Budd, Sailor is now in the public domain.

Confidence Man is great, you guys mad.

It was a popular choice when I was in high school, don’t know if that’s a relevant data point.

Confidence is really good. Better than his poems, surely.

Alfred not liking Confidence Man, liking Ad Astra, world is mad.

my curvy cetacean wife

This excerpt from a rejection letter to Melville re Moby Dick is just amazing.

the more things change... pic.twitter.com/dRaelwdlaG

— Andrey (@andreyp_ap) January 21, 2021

i have a bookclub w my friend & we are currently reading “20,000 Leagues Under The Sea”. i had never read Verne til now & i think i may actively hate him. wtf at this goddamn book.

but, my point is thus:

i pitched to my friend that we absolutely HAVE to read Moby Dick next bc Melville is such an excellent & enjoyable writer (imo)

& she agreeeeeeeeeeed

~snoopy dance~

i have 7 chapters left of Verne & at this point i dont care if the “mystery” of Nemo is that he sneaks onto land at night to steal children to power the submarine with human babies

i really fucking hate it & cannot WAIT to read Moby Dick again. it’s been at least 25 years since i read it for American Lit class at Uni

Oh man you’re going to have so much fun. It holds up like crazy

🐳🐳🐳🐳🐳

oddly enough there is an old ray bradbury essay where he compares ahab and nemo, tho not to any particular purpose that i can recall beyond “they’re both captains.”

i like verne actually, at least his best work, but i remember 20,000 leagues being a bit of a slog. he is certainly a strange writer and “wtf” is a reasonable response. he’s most enjoyable when he’s writing about something completely mad — tunneling to the center of the earth, traveling round the solar system on the back of a comet. but moby dick is so good and so unique that it’s hard to compare anything else to it.

yeah 20,000 leagues feels more like a vehicle for verne to show off about fish taxonomy & the inner workings of an electric submarine (while characters consume as much exotic marine life as possible). definitely light on the adventure that its reputation seemed to promise.

i read in that 2019 new yorker article about melville that Moby Dick was inspired by his reading Mary Shelleys “Frankenstein” for the first time while traveling to England
i’d never heard that before!
which makes me like it more

i have just started reading moby dick for the first time! No spoilers!

Moby Dick is a whale.

also a fish

when i was small and my dad read me some (i guess very abridged/adapted) children's version of 2000 leagues i heard the name of nemo's sub as "the naughtiness"

this is the only thing i remember tbh (and it's wrong)

Moby Dick is people!

Sorry

*disappointedly flings book across the room*

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/06/science/math-gresham-sarah-hart.html

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Nor is it at all prudent for the hunter to be overcurious touching the precise nature of the whale spout. It will not do for him to be peering into it, and putting his face into it. You cannot go with your pitcher to this fountain, and fill it, and bring it away. For even when coming into slight contact with the outer, vapory shreds of the jet, which will often happen, your skin will feverishly smart, from the acridness of the thing so touching it. And I know one, who coming into still closer contact with the spout, whether with some scientific object in view, or otherwise, I cannot say, the skin peeled off from his cheek and arm. Wherefore, among whalemen, the spout is deemed poisonous; they try to avoid it. Another thing; I have heard it said, and I do not much doubt it, that if the jet is fairly spouted into your eyes, it will blind you. The wisest thing the investigator can do then, it seems to me, is to let this deadly spout alone.

Still, we can hypothesize, even if we cannot prove and establish.... I am convinced that from the heads of all ponderous profound beings, such as Plato, Pyrrho, the Devil, Jupiter, Dante, and so on, there always goes up a certain semi-visible steam, while in the act of thinking deep thoughts. While composing a little treatise on Eternity, I had the curiosity to place a mirror before me; and ere long saw reflected there, a curious involved worming and undulation in the atmosphere over my head....

That mix of levity and casual profundity feels so modern to me.

where pynchon came from for sure:

We resumed business; and while plying our spoons in the bowl, thinks I to myself, I wonder now if this here has any effect on the head? What's that stultifying saying about chowder-headed people? "But look, Queequeg, ain't that a live eel in your bowl? Where's your harpoon?"

Fishiest of all fishy places was the Try Pots, which well deserved its name; for the pots there were always boiling chowders. Chowder for breakfast, and chowder for dinner, and chowder for supper, till you began to look for fish-bones coming through your clothes. The area before the house was paved with clamshells. Mrs. Hussey wore a polished necklace of codfish vertebra; and Hosea Hussey had his account books bound in superior old sharkskin. There was a fishy flavor to the milk, too, which I could not at all account for, till one morning happening to take a stroll along the beach among some fishermen's boats, I saw Hosea's brindled cow feeding on fish remnants, and marching along the sand with each foot in a cod's decapitated head, looking very slip-shod, I assure ye.

Now I want chowder

straight into my veins