Zeus knows the proper way to resolve such paradoxes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teumessian_fox
― jmm, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 21:46 (ten years ago) link
iirc God may create the soul of the burrito but its too-hot corporal form is the fault of Satan, and so the burrito must be reincarnated over and over until it achieves perfection and can be eaten by God.
― of human sonnage (c sharp major), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 23:33 (ten years ago) link
"But it is precisely because He is omnipotent that there are certain things that He cannot do: just as we say that it is necessary, when we exercise will, that we do so of our own free will. When we say this, it is undoubtedly true, yet we do not thereby make our freedom of will subject to a necessity which takes away our freedom." — Augustine, City of God.
― murk, Thursday, 27 February 2014 02:54 (ten years ago) link
(Many "paradoxes" of this sort have been answered for, like, 1500 years.)
― murk, Thursday, 27 February 2014 02:56 (ten years ago) link
(Thomas Aquinas treats specifically of the hot burrito, but I can't remember where offhand.)
― murk, Thursday, 27 February 2014 02:57 (ten years ago) link
for such heresy he would have been burned at the bistec, from which there is no salsation.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 27 February 2014 04:18 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCO8qkEe9co
― That's So (Eazy), Thursday, 27 February 2014 05:35 (ten years ago) link
Another perspective:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPekbB4kemg
― That's So (Eazy), Thursday, 27 February 2014 05:37 (ten years ago) link
Well, we've derailed this thread.
http://gdb.voanews.com/362347A9-BBC1-4422-91D2-4F9210E21940_w640_r1_s_cx0_cy9_cw0.jpg
― Aimless, Thursday, 27 February 2014 17:53 (ten years ago) link
(Sorry Aimless)
― That's So (Eazy), Thursday, 27 February 2014 20:26 (ten years ago) link
It was a group effort.
― Aimless, Thursday, 27 February 2014 20:32 (ten years ago) link
also I wrote this: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2014/03/dayal_patterson_s_history_of_black_metal_reviewed.single.html
― murk, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 18:12 (ten years ago) link
i enjoyed that. I do not know anything about Black Metal, but I did like the cheerful attempt to chart a course around the book's shit prose.
I've only really begun to think through the implications of your dropping by here. Let's say I read your next book (which I will), and let's say I want to pop into ILX & say 'Yes, but…' and 'This is good, but then maybe…' (& this is how I respond to things I like), it could be awkward. Even if I slope off to another thread, then that's talking behind your back. So maybe I'll just post here, try to believe you both are/aren't present & see what happens.
― woof, Thursday, 6 March 2014 23:10 (ten years ago) link
I had a very similar transilvanian hunger experience.
also: I liked the article about music and character identification. it's probably the reason I liked that much despised Goon Squad novel.
I remain non-committal about AvP - and am determined to remain non-committal for SS to avoid awkwardness woof describes.
have just moved house tho and have just put AvP in the poetry shelf - between the wall and... hang on (am lying on bed upstairs and need to check)... Yeats! twixt a lough and a hard place.
― Fizzles, Thursday, 6 March 2014 23:38 (ten years ago) link
http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n601/gamalielratsey/2014-03-06233700_zps546714c4.jpg
― Fizzles, Thursday, 6 March 2014 23:43 (ten years ago) link
how do you feel about edward dorn, f.
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 7 March 2014 00:21 (ten years ago) link
i feel like i wish i could afford a copy of gunslinger
― j., Friday, 7 March 2014 01:05 (ten years ago) link
20 bucks delivered, doesn't seem that far out. also if you buy the new collected dorn brick then by weight you're only paying six, seven bucks for slinger
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 7 March 2014 02:20 (ten years ago) link
There have been plenty of years of my life when twenty bucks for a book was at the far edge of the possible. Not now, happily.
― Aimless, Friday, 7 March 2014 02:23 (ten years ago) link
I paid 11 for Ashbery's Flow Chart last month, that was a splurge
― merciless to accomplish the truth in his intelligence (bernard snowy), Friday, 7 March 2014 04:50 (ten years ago) link
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 7 March 2014 00:21 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
really like it - the protean central voice and the presentation of time are done very well I think. it's a precise, clever performance, which it needs to be given the looseness of its environment and form. "Western frontier as appropriate place and set of characters with which to study the soul and it's journeys" is absolutely a premise I buy. it's witty, conversational and fun, and laced with song. i like Burroughs, but you allow a lot for the pleasure of listening to his discursive tone of voice - Gunslinger reminded me of Burroughs, but here the internal philosophy, structure and tale, such as it is, is in its own terms coherent, which gives it that overarching tension that long poems need. there's some brilliant set pieces, like this abstract gunfight between the Horse and a loose-tongued stranger:
The Stoned Horse said Slowlynot looking upfrom his rolling and planningStranger you got a [i]pliable lipyou might get yourself describedif you stay on.
Come on!Who's the horse, I mean who'shorse is that, we can't haveNo Horse! in here.It ain't properand I think I'm gonnaput a halter on you!
Uh uh, the Gunslinger breathed.Anybody know the muthafuckathe Stoned Horse inquiredof the general air.Hey, hear that the strange gaspedthat's even a negra horse!
Maybe so, maybe notthe Gunslinger inhaledbut stranger you got an Attitudea mile longas his chair dropped forwardall four legs on the floorand as the disputational .44occurred in his hand and spun therein that warp of relativity one seesin the backward turning spokesof a buckboard,
then came suddenlyto rest, the barrel utterly justifiedwith a line pointingto the neighborhood of infinity.The room froze harder.
Shit,Slinger, Lil noticed, You've pointedyour .44 straightout of town.I keep tellin younot to be so goddamn fancynow that amacher's got the drop on you!
Not so, Lil!the Slinger observed.Your vulgarity is flawlessbut you are the slave of appearances –-this Stockholder will findthat his gun cannot speakhe'll findthat he has been Described STRUMthe greenhorn pulledthe trigger and his store-bought ironcoughed out some cheap powder,and then changed its mind,muttering about having been up too late last night.Its embarrassed handlerlooked, one eye wandering,into the barreland then reholstered it and stood there.
strum
The total .44recurred in the Slinger's handand spun therethen came home like a sharp knockand the intruder was described -a plain, unassorted white citizen.
the successful unpunctuated distinction of speech and description is always i think a sign of writer invisibly in charge of their rhythms and tone (like Evelyn Waugh or PG Wodehouse's long pages of brief exchanges where the identity of the speaker remains fixed in the mind. It reminds me of what George Saintsbury in his book on English prose rhythm said about Malory's Morte d'Arthur:
[There are plenty of sentences in Malory beginning with "and"; but it is not the constant go-between and usher-of-all-work that it is in Mandeville.] The abundance of conversation gets him out of this difficulty at once; and he seems to have an instinctive knowledge - hardly shown before him, never reached after him till the time of the great novelists - of weaving conversation and narrative together. [...] His narrative order and his dialogue are so artistically adjusted that they dovetail into one another.
After all, this method and presentation is a 20th/21st C one, but Dorn does it very well. The closest analogue in some ways feels like the Pynchon of Mason & Dixon and Against the Day.
cost me £10, which didn't seem unreasonable - tho like Aimless I'm now in the happy position where I can spend that amount on a book without feeling a bit sick.
― Fizzles, Friday, 7 March 2014 06:55 (ten years ago) link
"a precise, clever performance, which it needs to be given the looseness of its environment and form" -- yeah, i think at the time i looked at it i wasn't really in the mood to read it charitably: like, my response was Yes I Get It And I Am Bored Of This Riff Now And I Am Only About Two Fifths Convinced Your Line Breaks Are Not Arbitrary. i think it's a lot like other pynchon performances too, like the occasional drops into pulp in GR.
when i read the north atlantic vortex pomes i found myself thinking mb i should have given slinger more of a shot; have forgotten what i liked about those, though. was enthused about the collected but i. the cover is carcanet's worst ever ii. fear of amassing further collective works i will not open, like geo. hill's collected e.g., which has been glaring at me resentfully from various piles and bookshelves, still totally unopened, since december
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 7 March 2014 11:00 (ten years ago) link
yeah the North Atlantic Turbine poems definitely show that he knows what he's doing with his linebreaks/form - iirc i liked them because there is a spine of traditional lyric there, he's closer to a posed or precise English voice than I expected - & I think that gave me some of the trust needed to follow Gunslinger (which I liked a lot). I'd like to read more but, yeah, it's stuck in the black hole of being a huge ugly book that I can't or won't carry round with me. I will never learn about big collecteds.
― woof, Friday, 7 March 2014 11:15 (ten years ago) link
actually maybe I will. I've been buying single volumes of Geo Hill 2nd-hand lately - cheaper since the collected.
― woof, Friday, 7 March 2014 11:19 (ten years ago) link
interesting. if you should decide any of them are run-don't-walk let me know and i will set up some kind of lever and axle system with which to heave the collected onto some sort of lectern for necessary physical support and prise it open to the relevant section
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 7 March 2014 11:41 (ten years ago) link
i just this week ordered a single louise gluck instead of all of the louise gluck under one cover. i feel very glad of that.
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 7 March 2014 11:42 (ten years ago) link
we should start a Hill thread. Maybe he'll show up too.
― woof, Friday, 7 March 2014 11:49 (ten years ago) link
actually, I haven't seen that collected Hill about – does it go full on with the apparatus?
(I don't know why the thought of lots of notes at the back depresses me. Maybe it's because Hill feels a bit too much like a poet born to be annotated)
― woof, Friday, 7 March 2014 13:04 (ten years ago) link
i literally haven't opened the thing. it feels a little intimidating.
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 7 March 2014 14:00 (ten years ago) link
I always used to like that he was a poet with a tiny collected. You could take it anywhere.
― woof, Friday, 7 March 2014 14:24 (ten years ago) link
I'm reviewing the collected Hill for Poetry. Thing is HUGE. No notes, just nearly 1000 pages of poems—including no fewer than FOUR new books. I love Hill, but I'll stick w/ my nice portable Penguin UK ed. of the Selected.
My being here should in no way preclude anyone's saying anything about my work, to answer something said above. Me. My work. See? Two separate things. Not really, but I wouldn't argue w/ anyone's taste—no one's poetry's for everyone.
― murk, Friday, 7 March 2014 21:29 (ten years ago) link
Also: I reviewed Glück's collected for the LARB, but rereading it recently I felt I was overgenerous. Meadowlands is the shit.
― murk, Friday, 7 March 2014 21:30 (ten years ago) link
Been digitally carrying around Jack Gilbert's medium-hefty Collected Poems for the past month.
― That's So (Eazy), Friday, 7 March 2014 23:01 (ten years ago) link
I am actually kind of tempted to order the smaller Hill, or at least to hope to find it, as a way of delaying opening 'Broken Hierarchies' again. Odd that both of the books I'm most putting off reading right now look like they're written by Santa Clauses gone to seed.
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 8 March 2014 09:44 (ten years ago) link
The American ed. is the same, just not as compact & attractive, in my view, but still portable:
http://www.amazon.com/Selected-Poems-Geoffrey-Hill/dp/0300164300/ref=sr_1_2_title_1_pap?ie=UTF8&qid=1394382467&sr=8-2&keywords=geoffrey+hill
― murk, Sunday, 9 March 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
I just read Colin Burrow's review of Broken Hierarchies in the lrb, and it is not a terrible piece of work but I do find it dismal or circular or something when historically minded eng lit dons claim Hill as a great poet.
Four new volumes. I'm not going near it. going to reread Mercian Hymns instead.
― woof, Thursday, 13 March 2014 14:21 (ten years ago) link
('I liked that,' said Offa, 'sing it again.')
― woof, Thursday, 13 March 2014 14:23 (ten years ago) link
so
https://twitter.com/alienvsrobbins/status/473826291507277824
has 'otm' penetrated wider public consciousness and i hadn't noticed or
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 14:08 (nine years ago) link
hey murk how far from the end of broken hierarchies are you now
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 14:13 (nine years ago) link
have you started it?
― woof, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 14:26 (nine years ago) link
no judgement I'm not exactly tearing through that Dorn.
― woof, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link
i read mercian hymns and three other pages selected at random
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:45 (nine years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:08 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=otm
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link
had no idea! thought it was ilx specific.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:11 (nine years ago) link
did click through tho on the money is like 5th down w 4 votes
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:39 (nine years ago) link
1 otmOther Than Mexicans A term used by US Border Patrol agents when catching illegal aliens.What a night last night! We caught 250 people 23 of them were OTMsby abula February 29, 2004 58 34
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:40 (nine years ago) link
how ironic
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 17:57 (nine years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2014/07/atheists_the_origin_of_the_species_by_nick_spencer_reviewed.single.html
3,200 comments
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 06:16 (nine years ago) link
enjoyed that but i am not going near those comments
― woof, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 09:20 (nine years ago) link
gotta admit i've really come around on this guy and this book
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 14:11 (nine years ago) link