is there an excellent, readable history of humankind's relationship with canines?

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i'm really curious about how our kinship with dogs began, and am imagining that someone must have written a non-academic fun book about this, but can't seem to find anything

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 02:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Not quite what you were looking for (at all), but I'm hoping for a little crossover action from the ILB massive. Can't get no sense out of them lot over there:

TS: "How Much Is That Doggie In The Window?" vs "Daddy Wouldn't Buy Me A Bow-Wow"

I don't think it's a kinship, at least not in my case. I'm sure some of my relatives are hairy bumsniffers, but that's about it.

Oh we do have fun.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 07:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I have always believed "Daddy wouldn't buy me a bow wow" sounds more like some horrible kinky song about sugar daddies and was written to be sung by Marilyn Monroe in a giggly voice and is therefore BAD and WRONG. So I think you should learn the other one.

With that done, there was some interesting stuff about the domestication of certain animals (including dogs) in Guns, Germs and Steel, but it wasn't the comprehensive woof-fest you might be looking for. I too would like to read such a book. I hope all of those people over on ILE who are complaining about writing non-fiction book pitches are reading this.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 08:56 (seventeen years ago) link

There's this: Man's Best Friend: The Fascinating Story of How Wolves Became Dogs by Caroline Sand, but it doesn't seem very easy to get hold of and I've no idea what it's like.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 09:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Which song, Archel? It's high time dogs reverted to wolfdom.

Accent Monkey, I think you might be right, but the bit about 'robbers' in HMITDITW is open to interpretation, re. 'even if it must be burglary'. Both songs strike me as suitable Gentle Waves B-sides.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 10:11 (seventeen years ago) link

How Much Is That Doggy in the Window, definitely. More independent female consumer innit...

I think there's a strange half-tame wolf-dog thing living on the traveller's site next to where I work, I saw it this morning.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks, all... yeah, "guns, germs, ands steel" is what got me thinking about this... plus a dimly remembered radio documentary. i'll check the library for "man's best friend" and report back.

by the way, where's the thread where the ilxors are complaining about non-fiction pitches?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:21 (seventeen years ago) link

no dice on "man's best friend" in the library, and out-of-print/$120 on amazon.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

this is a bit off-topic, but my mother sent me a write-up of a really fascinating study done in Hungary on how dogs interact with humans and how it differs from wolves. it goes a fair bit into the related subject of so-called emotional intelligence, which is probably the most interesting. i can email it if you'd like.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

that would be great, lauren. thanks so much!

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Lauren! I'd love to read that too. Can you mail it to me as well?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

no problem, folks. those email addresses are functional?

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

please lauren!

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link

but of course.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks, lauren... very interesting stuff.

one of things i'm curious to track down - and i don't think this is from guns, germs & steel - is the argument that human development was actually shaped by canine characteristics, that we've been hanging out with dogs so long that we have adopted some dog-traits. i think that horses supposedly had similar effects. i'm not really sure if i actually read this somewhere (and understood it properly if i did) or if am just making this up.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Stephan Budiansky's The Truth About Dogs has a section on this, as well as more on dog behaviour. It's a good, light-but-solid book about dogs, dog evolution and the dog mind. It isn't at all 'aaah cute puppy'.

Sean Walsh, Monday, 13 June 2005 12:53 (sixteen years ago) link

DOG LOVE by Marjorie Garber

the bellefox, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link

sixteen years pass...

this is a bit off-topic, but my mother sent me a write-up of a really fascinating study done in Hungary on how dogs interact with humans and how it differs from wolves. it goes a fair bit into the related subject of so-called emotional intelligence, which is probably the most interesting. i can email it if you'd like.

This sounds really interesting. I wonder if any of you remember what this was, 16 years later.

Tapioca Tumbril (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 27 January 2022 18:33 (four months ago) link


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