WHAT'S THE BEST POEM OUT OF THESE POEMS 2

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George Oppen - Town, a town

Town, a town,
But location
Over which the sun as it comes to it;
Which cools, houses and lamp-posts,
during the night, with the roads—
Inhabited partly by those
Who have been born here,
Houses built—. From a train one sees
him in the morning, his morning;
Him in the afternoon, straightening—
People everywhere, time and the work
pauseless:
One moves between reading and re-reading,
The shape is a moment.
From a crowd a white powdered face,
Eyes and mouth making three—
Awaited—locally—a date.

*

William Carlos Williams - The Botticellian Trees

The alphabet of
the trees

is fading in the
song of the leaves

the crossing
bars of the thin

letters that spelled
winter

and the cold
have been illuminated

with
pointed green

by the rain and sun—
The strict simple

principles of
straight branches

are being modified
by pinched-out

ifs of color, devout
conditions

the smiles of love—
. . . . . .

until the script
sentences

move as a woman's
limbs under cloth

and praise from secrecy
quick with desire

love's ascendancy
in summer—

In summer the song
sings itself

above the muffled words—

*

Gerard Manley Hopkins - Spelt From Sibyl's Leaves

EARNEST, earthless, equal, attuneable, ' vaulty, voluminous, … stupendous
Evening strains to be tíme’s vást, ' womb-of-all, home-of-all, hearse-of-all night.
Her fond yellow hornlight wound to the west, ' her wild hollow hoarlight hung to the height
Waste; her earliest stars, earl-stars, ' stárs principal, overbend us,
Fíre-féaturing heaven. For earth ' her being has unbound, her dapple is at an end, as-
tray or aswarm, all throughther, in throngs; ' self ín self steedèd and páshed — qúite
Disremembering, dísmémbering ' áll now. Heart, you round me right
With: Óur évening is over us; óur night ' whélms, whélms, ánd will end us.
Only the beak-leaved boughs dragonish ' damask the tool-smooth bleak light; black,
Ever so black on it. Óur tale, O óur oracle! ' Lét life, wáned, ah lét life wind
Off hér once skéined stained véined variety ' upon, áll on twó spools; párt, pen, páck
Now her áll in twó flocks, twó folds — black, white; ' right, wrong; reckon but, reck but, mind
But thése two; wáre of a wórld where bút these ' twó tell, each off the óther; of a rack
Where, selfwrung, selfstrung, sheathe- and shelterless, ' thóughts agaínst thoughts ín groans grínd.

*

Ian Heames - REDUCING LOAD


When dawn unloads
grubby & vermeil
woman of scope
input signal of the white race
it is blue, it is not
a possibility of writing

Therefore, goddess
complete angel of calm
of most love, elbowroom and purity
, sky of control
do they open you
do we banquet to make love

let us thank
the numerous years in majority
time flies timely to my increased eyes

the illusion was similar
troughwater
revenant sun
stupid lucid smoke
Does the memory come to pull out?

*

Young-Hae Chang Heavy Industries - Dakota

*

There's a few more I can't find.

Virgil - Aeneid Book II (in Latin, obv)
Louis Zukofsky's sprawling monolith 'A', which I have read the first few books of
Susan Howe's Articulation Of Sound Forms In Time
...and the staggering Prologomena To A Theodicy by Kenneth Rexroth

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Aeneid Book II 3
The Botticellian Trees 1
Spelt From Sibyl's Leaves 1
Town, a town 0
REDUCING LOAD 0
Dakota 0
A 0
Articulation Of Sound Forms In Time 0
Prologomena To A Theodicy 0


a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 13:57 (twelve years ago) link

An Experiment

“Do you? Now?”
“Yes please! How?”
“Like this!”
“Ow!”

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:04 (twelve years ago) link

haha louis these poems are so YOU

max, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:06 (twelve years ago) link

needs some yeats up in this bitch

Louis Cll (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:08 (twelve years ago) link

let me know when any of these ppl are fit to hoist Vergil's jockstrap

a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:09 (twelve years ago) link

Possibly over-ambitious range of options here for a compare and contrast :D

Twisted Hipster (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:11 (twelve years ago) link

john d missing out on an xp there cos I CLEARLY MENTIONED YEATS

Louis Cll (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:13 (twelve years ago) link

answer is almost always willim garlos cilliams

鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:15 (twelve years ago) link

I just meant the company vergil is keeping up there in this poll, william b. can toe-to-toe w/vergil any day no doubt in fact I just got emo about a yeats poem last week

Had I the heavens' embroidered cloths,
Enwrought with golden and silver light,
The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
Of night and light and the half-light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet:
But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.

a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:19 (twelve years ago) link

lock for short list of top 3 things ever said by mortal man imo

a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:20 (twelve years ago) link

that's the one, alright. valentine's day knockout 1995-1999

Louis Cll (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:20 (twelve years ago) link

Why should I blame her that she filled my days
With misery, or that she would of late
Have taught to ignorant men most violent ways,
Or hurled the little streets upon the great.
Had they but courage equal to desire?
What could have made her peaceful with a mind
That nobleness made simple as a fire,
With beauty like a tightened bow, a kind
That is not natural in an age like this,
Being high and solitary and most stern?
Why, what could she have done, being what she is?
Was there another Troy for her to burn?

and I mean man have you ever seen a picture of Maud Gonne, no WS 1914 candidate or anything

Louis Cll (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:27 (twelve years ago) link

Can I just

Maud Gonne, no WS 1914 candidate (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:30 (twelve years ago) link

http://phobos.ramapo.edu/~kfowler/MAUD1.JPG

you can just do what you want with that tbh, i'm not using it.

Louis Cll (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:32 (twelve years ago) link

WAS THERE ANOTHER TROY FOR HER TO BURN

seriously nobody can touch Yeats I think sometimes, absolutely nobody

a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:36 (twelve years ago) link

I was concurring with yr turn of phrase, not dissenting from yr aesthetic judgement.

She's not that bad tho.

Maud Gonne, no WS 1914 candidate (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:41 (twelve years ago) link

i think her nose has been touched up tbph. i c what u did now btw

Louis Cll (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:58 (twelve years ago) link

cmon then, any comment on the poems i posted?

(by 'couldn't find' i obviously mean 'too long to copy and paste here')

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:04 (twelve years ago) link

I really want to read 'A'. But that's not a particularly interesting comment. Sorry.

emil.y, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

louis it goes Vergil > Hopkins > Wms >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the rest imo and as we've been establishing probably yeats over all

a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:10 (twelve years ago) link

A1 Yeats threadjack. Was in West of Ireland and thinking about him recently - like I am totally cheerfully for the serious contemporary 'POETRY IS EXPERIMENT 2 RE(con)STITUTE L4nguage' end of things most of the time, and Yeats is a colossal douche (*) who believed crazy (sort of <3 A Vision, tho') or contemptible things, but you just can't get away from how great his y'know singing line is - his Romantic lyricism just lets him switch up into gears other c20th poets can't reach.

(*) moving on to the daughter(**) after last knockback from Maud Gonne a particular dick move.

(**) Iseult was conceived in the mausoleum of her short-lived brother, in an attempt to reincarnate the dead infant.

Parenthetic hound (woofwoofwoof), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:18 (twelve years ago) link

also the fact that he is a ringer for steve martin can't be ignored in any serious analysis

Louis Cll (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:20 (twelve years ago) link

The last few long poems were only mentioned in case anyone had read them - my comments aren't meant to be interesting

J0hn D that is pretty much my ordering fwiw except with fewer arrows in the end bit...the Aeneid Book II is utterly, utterly brilliant and only the fact I love Hopkins like nothing else will prevent me from voting for it

Ian Heames is a friend and contemporary of mine, more or less unpublished; I threw that in to see if he belonged in such company at all; he is raw but insanely talented imo

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:22 (twelve years ago) link

my comments aren't meant to be interesting

in a just world this is the new ILE board description

a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:23 (twelve years ago) link

also Prologomena To A Theodicy is probably in 3rd place for me ahead of Williams, but christ that is a good Williams; it was in the "Objectivists" number of Poetry magazine, selected by Zukofsky, a man of taste; Prologomena was in 'An "Objectivists" Anthology"; that time of poetry is godhead to me

I've actually translated/analysed/read most of Aeneid Book II in class. Through careful, steady, slow analysis over a period of weeks, it becomes clear quite how ingenious and perfect is Virgil's use of scansion, tension, repetition, echo, climax, line-break...uh, everything

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

scansion is a type of onion where i'm from.

i must read some virgil, i take it.

Louis Cll (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:29 (twelve years ago) link

you need to learn latin first imo

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

virgil's use of scallions

鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

You'll have me on about Catullus next!

That Hopkins is the most focused, blinding statement of creative linguistic intensity I have ever seen and it is comfortably my favourite poem, also it is complete justification for Jesuits existing

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:33 (twelve years ago) link

hmm, latin could be a problem, unless an english translation captures it sufficiently. my brother has a lot of this kind of stuff lying around from college.

Louis Cll (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:33 (twelve years ago) link

Not a fair fight. Zukofsky was a disciple of WCW and he and Oppen wrote in a similar grain. Thus A stomps over Town like Godzilla. A 11 ties The Botticellian Trees but the rest edges it out.

Dislike 19th and 20th century language poetry so Hopkins and Heames are out and probably Howe from what I've read before. Chang without the multimedia is OK but nowhere in the same league. I haven't read the Rexroth. It's down to LZ and Vergil. Vergil wins.

Yeats spent years holding a torch for Maud. Pound seduced Iseult in two weeks. Pound wins.

alimosina, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:34 (twelve years ago) link

"A" is always supposed to be in quotation marks but I can't be bothered

alimosina, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:36 (twelve years ago) link

alimosina you know an awful lot about poetry i like, how have we not communicated before

also yes persuade me to read all of A, i have only read 1-7 i.e. the stuff that was in A"O"A...it's *brilliant*, but obviously incomplete (although it WAS complete at the time, a paradox which partially informs my dissertation conjecture)

Oppen's Discrete Series comes out very favourably in a comparison to A"O"A, although the two did briefly overlap

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:37 (twelve years ago) link

lj: do you think the objectivists were for/against using the natural world as a metaphor (as williams does up there) or neither? it struck me how anti wallace stevens that one was.

bnw, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:39 (twelve years ago) link

Only know a little Oppen and Reznikoff.

The Scroggins biography is well worth reading BTW.

bnw: LZ when young tried to get a job at the Hartford. Late in life he unexpectedly announced his devotion to WS. I love them both.

alimosina, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:43 (twelve years ago) link

they were for placing 'human' world and 'natural' world up against each other and either attempting to divine them as one force or deriving antagonisms; quite a few of the poems in the anthology esp. carl rakosi (i think 'parades') do this exceptionally well, and of course Prologomena combines natural agency with human in its videprinter list of occurrences - there's both internal violence and flow in that poem

wallace stevens was good i haven't read enough of his to judge - i mean that famous one is ok if quite straightforward and not as metatextually wrought as the objectivists stuff - woohoo there's a pot on a hill - industrialisation and human INVASION OF nature amirite as opposed to impermanent forces within poetry acting almost comically together for better or worse - i mean WS doesn't seem to be about the creation of poem as object, he seems more imagist

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

WS is closer to Yeats in being about the creative individual and poetry as the expression of his power, not the wrought form

alimosina, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

that seems to figure; i ought to read more poetry like that; my professor maintained that that 'easter 1916' poem was one of the all-time great poems; i certainly like it but i haven't devoured all of its secrets yet

was also thinking about including wordsworth 'surprised by joy' and maybe a keats but didn't want them hoovering up all the votes - dig 'em muchly

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:54 (twelve years ago) link

also what did you mean by 'court order' in the other thread

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

my professor maintained that that 'easter 1916' poem was one of the all-time great poems

he's right.

Louis Cll (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

think it's 'september, 1916', isn't it?

Louis Cll (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

ah i've confused two of his. september 1913, i'm thinking.

Louis Cll (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:57 (twelve years ago) link

they're both all time greats though

Louis Cll (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:59 (twelve years ago) link

John D is pretty much OTM for me too, tho' I've got no Latin, so I'll ignore your rubric up top and take Virgil in Dryden's translation. Second place is maybe not taking Hopkins as seriously as I should - tho' he's pretty obviously a titan of sound & observation & energy, he's not someone who affects me the way he did once (was thinking the other day the desolation sonnets leave me cold now); I feel more bludgeoned by Sibyl's Leaves than enthused, or taken, or engaged.

Haven't read much of A. What I did read was fine, but that American make-it-new tradition doesn't do that much for me. I do read it, but I tend to be critical-disengaged with it - like my head picks at it, with pleasure, but I don't hear it quite as easily, or with such pleasure as the trad English line.

Same with that English Cambridgey School-of-Prynne stuff, which is what I guess this Heames guy is coming from.

Saw Dakota once. It was ok, but I like the page.

I'm in a library, so I'm going to look at some Rexroth. Let's see if this... Dragon and the Unicorn is any cop. May report back. (This book mentions the poll poem as 'A Prolegomenon to a Theodicy', btw.)

Parenthetic hound (woofwoofwoof), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:06 (twelve years ago) link

you know who's under-repped-for is archibald macleish

a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:08 (twelve years ago) link

Oops. I remembered the title slightly wrong. Bad. Yes, it is indeed "A Prologomenon".

Same with that English Cambridgey School-of-Prynne stuff, which is what I guess this Heames guy is coming from.

HAHAHAHAHA Ian Heames studied at Gonville & Caius under Prynne's DIRECT tutelage! However could you guess, eh...Prynne has proven very difficult for me to decipher, but Heames and I have enjoyed a good poetic discourse - lots of useful ideas, and the dude's economy with an image is startling. That's possibly my favourite of his works.

J0hn, please post an example!

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:09 (twelve years ago) link

Here's an extract from A Prologomenon To A Theodicy (it's actually REALLY quite long, this is like 1/20th of it): http://www.bopsecrets.org/rexroth/poems/1920s.htm#From%20A%20PROLEGOMENON%20TO%20A%20THEODICY

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

(it includes the bit I got my ILX username, dissertation title, eventual bandname from, although in A"O"A it's spelt like this not like that)

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

pretty sure it's 'the general conic of the wing' as well; the transcriber is unreliable

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:15 (twelve years ago) link

Are you sure? Rexroth looks big on the Greek & I reckon he's going to go for 'u' as a transcription of omicron-upsilon, rather than 'eu' (which is usually epsilon-upsilon.) Anyone with proper ancient Greek, plz feel free to school me.

Um, while we're at it, and sorry, I wouldn't do this if it didn't keep coming up bcz I hate being a pedant when off-duty (am sub-editor) prolEgomena, prolEgomenon.

Parenthetic hound (woofwoofwoof), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:29 (twelve years ago) link

am in shame 4evah

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

it is spelt 'acoleuthic' in A"O"A, for sure, there's an explanation here (we've already had this discussion!): Can a brother get a 77 invite?

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:33 (twelve years ago) link

never saw those contenderizer posts <3

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:34 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, I remember, that's what made me hunt down the word and stare at its etymology a week or two ago - I assumed you were right about Rexroth's spelling, but just now I saw a chunk of no-translation Greek at the start of this book I'm looking at, along with the spelling I'd expect in that transcription & I started wondering if something hadn't slipped somewhere. But I am dropping this. I am not telling nobody how to spell nothing, esp since my user name is the kind of thing a 5-year-old child would pick.

Wallace Stevens would trump any of the US names here for me: I think I am just a sucker for a traditionally pretty line (and a philosophy that bears a simpler relationship to Romantic Imagination aesthetics).

Parenthetic hound (woofwoofwoof), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

so do we all get to have one of these threads now?

thomp, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

start one and see

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

maybe in a week or two. too far from my books and still haven't started my MES reads poll

thomp, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

*is excited*

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, these two threads have made for a lively ILB day. More of them, I say, judiciously spaced. Also this:

my MES reads poll

I Cannot wait.

Parenthetic hound (woofwoofwoof), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

am listening to the song 'Hurricane Edward' right now (by coincidence)...the dude is plainly one of the great contemporary english poets

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:57 (twelve years ago) link

3 prophets of the English nation: Milton - Blake - Smith.

Parenthetic hound (woofwoofwoof), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

i even posted about 'hip priest' earlier today...i've been on the most indescribably massive MES kick recently

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 17:01 (twelve years ago) link

ok can we use this as a quick nominations thread? i know i've forgotten some. here's as far as i got last time -

- vladimir nabokov, 'bend sinister'
- colin wilson, 'ritual in the dark'
- mailer, 'deer park'
- camus (duh), 'the fall'
- m r james, count magnus
- h p lovecraft, 'the strange case of charles dexter ward'
- luke rhinehart, 'the dice man'

thomp, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

Ape

You haven't finished your ape, said mother to father,

who had monkey hair and blood on his whiskers.

I've had enough monkey, cried father.

You didn't eat the hands, and I went to all the

trouble to make onion rings for its fingers, said mother.

I'll just nibble on its forehead, and then I've had enough,

said father.

I stuffed its nose with garlic, just like you like it, said

mother.

Why don't you have the butcher cut these apes up? You lay

the whole thing on the table every night; the same fractured

skull, the same singed fur; like someone who died horribly. These

aren't dinners, these are post-mortem dissections.

Try a piece of its gum, I've stuffed its mouth with bread,

said mother.

Ugh, it looks like a mouth full of vomit. How can I bite into

its cheek with bread spilling out of its mouth? cried father.

Break one of the ears off, they're so crispy, said mother.

I wish to hell you'd put underpants on these apes; even a

jockstrap, screamed father.

Father, how dare you insinuate that I see the ape as anything

more than simple meat, screamed mother.

Well what's with this ribbon tied in a bow on its privates?

screamed father.

Are you saying that I am in love with this vicious creature?

That I would submit my female opening to this brute? That after

we had love on the kitchen floor I would put him in the oven, after

breaking his head with a frying pan; and then serve him to my husband,

that my husband might eat the evidence of my infidelity . . . ?

I'm just saying that I'm damn sick of ape every night,

cried father.

Russell Edson

super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 17:08 (twelve years ago) link

GamalielRatsey to thread.
In the meantime:

Arthur Machen - The Great God Pan.
Something by Wyndham Lewis - Apes of God? Is anything directly referenced?

Parenthetic hound (woofwoofwoof), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 17:10 (twelve years ago) link

<3 russell edson

got to see him read in RI about 10 years ago

鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 17:13 (twelve years ago) link

omg that edson is CLASSIC slow-build comic poetry

(dood did ya get mah ilxmail?)

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 17:15 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, and Philip Dick, obviously.

There's some Melody Maker thing with Mark Smith's ten cultural artifacts of the moment from like '82 I have a memory of seeing (not in '82) that has two or three specific choices. I can't think if I saw it online or in the liner notes of a reissue or something. Grr.

thomp, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 17:16 (twelve years ago) link

the Laocooon or Pyrrhus or Hector dream parts alone would've been enough to make this poll rigged from the start

balearific, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 17:21 (twelve years ago) link

book 2 is the best book, right? anyone wanna bat for 4?

the bit where priam's family is slaughtered is up there but the hector dream possibly wins it, may poll book 2 at some point

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

Something by Wyndham Lewis - Apes of God? Is anything directly referenced?

Yes, not Apes, though - 'post office, Rotting Hill' (from their cover of Jingle Bell Rock).

What else, what else. Reckon thomp has it covered. Great God Pan certainly.

Marriage of Heaven and Hell and Jerusalem or rather the intro to Milton by Blake of course (are we doing poems as well?)
Smith quotes The Call of Cthulu at the beginning of The Post Nearly Man, if that counts.

A choice of Dr Faustus representations (I think Smith said he got the idea of the song from some woodcuts or something, a folk version of the tale, so make of that what you will).

Morning of the Magicians is quoted fairly heavily in Before the Moon Falls if my memory serves me right, but you could argue he's just referencing things like the Nine Unknown Men (oh wait - that's Putta Block isn't it), rather than quoting the book itself.

Struggling to think of any more novels tho. I would but I'm stupid busy at the moment, and want to think a bit more about stuff that is mentioned (not to leave out singing 'You keep reading me the Booker Prize' for Book of Lies - oh yes, that's another one -

The Book of Lies - Aleister Crowley. There must be more.

The poems? Oh, um, pass for the moment, need to check out the Rexroth, reread the Virgil, think about Gerard Manley Hopkins AGAIN (he's never quite done it for me, but there are moments when I think he might) and I haven't read A, and possibly think I'm not likely to soon.

Yeats is great, love Browning. More, more - there's always more to read thank God.

'virgin' should be 'wizard' (GamalielRatsey), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 7 December 2009 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

three years pass...

Thread

al leong the watchtower (darraghmac), Saturday, 4 May 2013 00:42 (nine years ago) link

lol @ WAS THERE ANOTHER TROY FOR HER TO BURN

'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Saturday, 4 May 2013 00:47 (nine years ago) link

Troy 2: Wilder Horses

al leong the watchtower (darraghmac), Saturday, 4 May 2013 01:04 (nine years ago) link

can't believe I missed a Stevens discussion.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 May 2013 01:09 (nine years ago) link

Gotta go Hopkins, all due respect to REDUCING LOAD (nsfw).

cougars and sneezers (Eazy), Saturday, 4 May 2013 01:19 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

What need you, being come to sense
but fumble in a greasy till

Zing thread 1913 imo

should we bin tapping? (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 June 2013 09:17 (nine years ago) link

lol @ WAS THERE ANOTHER TROY FOR HER TO BURN

why

the bitcoin comic (thomp), Thursday, 20 June 2013 16:58 (nine years ago) link

six months pass...

^^^

oh i just meant it was a very in character post, obv it's a wonderful poem/line

k3vin k., Sunday, 19 January 2014 19:20 (eight years ago) link

otm

is this semi-amateurism? (darraghmac), Sunday, 19 January 2014 19:28 (eight years ago) link

fair enough

the answer is probably the hopkins i guess

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 19 January 2014 23:30 (eight years ago) link

my man

lovely cuddly fluffy dope (imago), Monday, 20 January 2014 00:03 (eight years ago) link

Constipated Oppen and the like almost make me angry now. I devoted entirely to much time to this stuff in the past.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 20 January 2014 05:57 (eight years ago) link

I like my objectivists simple-minded: Reznikoff.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 20 January 2014 05:59 (eight years ago) link

five months pass...

The day dawns, with scent of must and rain,
Of opened soil, dark trees, dry bedroom air.
Under the fading lamp, half dressed - my brain
Idling on some compulsive fantasy -
I towel my shaven jaw and stop, and stare,
Riveted by a dark exhausted eye,
A dry downturning mouth.

It seems again that it is time to learn,
In this untiring, crumbling place of growth
To which, for the time being, I return.
Now plainly in the mirror of my soul
I read that I have looked my last on youth
And little more; for they are not made whole
That reach the age of Christ.

Below my window the wakening trees,
Hacked clean for better bearing, stand defaced
Suffering their brute necessities;
And how should the flesh not quail, that span for span
Is mutilated more? In slow distaste
I fold my towel with what grace I can,
Not young, and not renewable, but man.

for the day that's in it

cpt navajo (darraghmac), Monday, 7 July 2014 12:54 (seven years ago) link

happy birthday<3

estela, Monday, 7 July 2014 14:08 (seven years ago) link

Constipated Oppen and the like almost make me angry now. I devoted entirely to much time to this stuff in the past.

Picked up Selected Prose, Daybooks, and Papers by Oppen for a buck the other week. I don't think I'll read it, blurb by Perloff or no blurb by Perloff. A lot of it seems awfully callow.

alimosina, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:16 (seven years ago) link

seven years pass...

When round 3 we ask

pandmac (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2022 00:25 (five months ago) link


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