Psychoanalysis and Novels/Short Stories

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So far:

Svevo - Zeno's Conscience
Arthur Schnitzler - Dream Story

Please list more.

Side discussion: William James and his work

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

I know Stefan Zweig's work was very informed by Freud.

In a lighter vein, Susie Boyt's 'Only Human' is about a social worker who, among other things, is mixed up with some psychoanalysts, and Boyt is Freud's great-granddaughter. This suggestion is a bit of a stretch, obviously.

When two tribes go to war, he always gets picked last (James Morrison), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

Thanks -- this is kind of what I am looking for. Writers who got hold of psychoanalysis as an idea and translate it into fiction at that moment in time when it was more credible than it is now.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 08:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

Ballard?

ambience chaser (S-), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 08:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

Which one are you thinking of?

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 09:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

Both Hermann Hesse and DH Lawrence were hugely influenced by Freud and both wrote essays on him. Can't think of any fictional accounts of psychanalysis in their work, but the influence definitely permeates their stuff at a deeper level.

Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 09:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

aren't there some musil-freud connexions

i find myself thinking of terrible HEY LOOK FREUD characterisation in jim thompson novels and shit now

thomp, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 14:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

Maybe Georg Groddeck? I know nothing about him.

If you extended this to strange prose/poetry hybrids, The Orators by Auden would be there, I think.

woofwoofwoof, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 15:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

portnoy's complaint - roth

Zeno, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 16:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

Groddeck sounds interesting, if I can find anything.

Since Musil is about everything, he would have a bit of Freud in there, too.

Thanks!

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 August 2009 10:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

eight years pass...

Bumping this thread because it'd be interesting to hear more examples of this. I'd add to this list:

Anything by Beckett (he was Bion's patient for two years)
Alison Bechdel - Are You My Mother?

There are actually a ton of other graphic novels using psychoanalysis, but this is the most pronounced example. It seems that the comic form is more frequently exploring the therapeutic encounter than other types of fiction, perhaps because of the unparalleled way it can depict multiple levels of internal and external communication. It's a fairly difficult discipline to capture...

I've heard good things from a colleague about Mishima's 'The Music' too, but I don't actually think there's an English translation.

tangenttangent, Saturday, 4 August 2018 11:58 (four months ago) Permalink

As it happens I just - this exact minute - finished a short story called “therapy”, it’s by Lydia Davis

It is of course characteristically brief and doesn’t go into the process so much as the character’s state of mind before and after therapy and their relationship with the doctor. It’s great, and sad

jeremy cmbyn (wins), Saturday, 4 August 2018 12:32 (four months ago) Permalink

That sounds enticing! I’ve been meaning to check out her collected short stories for a while.

tangenttangent, Saturday, 4 August 2018 13:16 (four months ago) Permalink

Yeah same. I bought her novel and then decided I wanted to read the stories first so got it from the library. I’m on the first collection and love it absolutely.

jeremy cmbyn (wins), Saturday, 4 August 2018 13:25 (four months ago) Permalink

This is great too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Glas

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 4 August 2018 20:22 (four months ago) Permalink

F. Scott Fitzgerald, Tender Is the Night

Brad C., Saturday, 4 August 2018 22:23 (four months ago) Permalink

Pat Barker, Regeneration, about the pioneering use of psychoanalysis to treat shell-shocked first world war soldiers. Based on real events and a very compelling mix of history, psychology, and politics. There are two sequels but they're less historically grounded, more fictional, heavier on the psychoanalysis. I don't rate them as highly but ymmv.

home, home and deranged (ledge), Monday, 6 August 2018 09:16 (four months ago) Permalink

Jonathan Lethem: GUN, WITH OCCASIONAL MUSIC (1994): Freudians are the equivalent of Jehovah's Witnesses.

the pinefox, Monday, 6 August 2018 13:47 (four months ago) Permalink

PKD, The Simulacra

alimosina, Thursday, 9 August 2018 16:32 (four months ago) Permalink

That looks wonderful! Will buy today if I can find it. Was PKD big into psychoanalysis in general? From the synopsis of this, it sounds quite Winnicottian. I've only read Do Androids...

tangenttangent, Thursday, 9 August 2018 16:43 (four months ago) Permalink

Was PKD big into psychoanalysis in general

the short answer is sort of

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 August 2018 16:45 (four months ago) Permalink

he was certainly interested in psychology and that's reflected in the work. And while characters are always psychoanalyzing each other, I can't think of a single appearance of an actual professional psychoanalyst, and it's p clear that he generally distrusted it as a sham, or a racket to be manipulated.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 August 2018 16:48 (four months ago) Permalink

Haha ah. I guess that’d fit with the whole anti-psychiatry movement of around that time.

There are way fewer positive depictions. Regeneration (as mentioned above) is quite an anomaly in that regard.

tangenttangent, Thursday, 9 August 2018 16:55 (four months ago) Permalink

the whole anti-psychiatry movement of around that time

in sf, this obviously intersects with John W. Campbell/L. Ron Hubbard/Scientology

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:00 (four months ago) Permalink

If I remember right, Dr. Egon Superb is depicted sympathetically.

alimosina, Thursday, 9 August 2018 22:28 (four months ago) Permalink

Menaker, The Treatment

alimosina, Thursday, 9 August 2018 22:34 (four months ago) Permalink

(^ first half)

alimosina, Thursday, 9 August 2018 22:36 (four months ago) Permalink

the authority figures in some of anna kavan's fiction seem to be informed by her dealings with psychiatry etc... she also collaborated with one on a piece of fiction, though haven't read that. actually found my copy of asylum piece in the psychology section of a bookshop (maybe the only work where she deals explicitly with this?)

no lime tangier, Friday, 10 August 2018 05:45 (four months ago) Permalink

I bought the first book in this thread because it was the only one of these that the bookshop stocked, and the preface amused me and answered the questions I had reading the blurb (What psychoanalyst would ever recommend writing a diary?). I'm excited to start reading fiction and not pure psychoanalysis in two days' time when my course ends.

tangenttangent, Saturday, 11 August 2018 18:32 (four months ago) Permalink

Not a novel, but https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18888853-a-young-girl-s-diary is very interesting: a diary of a young Viennese woman published under Freud's auspices

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 12 August 2018 08:02 (four months ago) Permalink

It seems that the comic form is more frequently exploring the therapeutic encounter than other types of fiction, perhaps because of the unparalleled way it can depict multiple levels of internal and external communication. It's a fairly difficult discipline to capture...

https://dangerousminds.net/content/uploads/images/eeeecpsycho3rs.jpg

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Sunday, 12 August 2018 18:14 (four months ago) Permalink


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