― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:35 (fourteen years ago) link
But I did informally test out, after 30 hours of class, at a "university-intermediate" level in Italian... if anybody wants a recommendation for a great Italian school in Rome, let me know. It's cheaper than the other schools, too. The teacher was my kinda grammar nazi. I love that sort of passion.
― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:43 (fourteen years ago) link
― misshajim (strand), Monday, 7 March 2005 12:22 (fourteen years ago) link
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 7 March 2005 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link
― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link
I've barely been anywhere, especially not anywhere I'd really want to stay, except for Canada—and yes, I did buy a bunch of books in Canada, but it's not quite the same; I've probably bought as many Canadiana books since I returned.
But with foreign languages—I have never though about it in these terms, really, but it's a great idea!
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 7 March 2005 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 7 March 2005 23:04 (fourteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 00:53 (fourteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 00:54 (fourteen years ago) link
― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 02:29 (fourteen years ago) link
― Bed (Bed), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link
― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link
In one part (careful, all of this is translated AND from memory) one character, an overeducated cynic, is watching as the Germans invade and bomb the Italian countryside; everybody's panicking and the cynic smiles and says "Weren't you guys all saying you didn't care whether the Germans or the English won, since they're all the same?"
Kind of reminded me of the things people were saying after the dust cleared and Nader had helped Bush II win (yeah yeah, so he didn't really win it) his first election and then all hell broke loose.
File under: history repeats... again.
― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link
(I never read Il Deserto dei Tartari, but we discussed it at length and I felt I'd "got" it just from that. I hope you enjoy(ed) it)
― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 18 March 2005 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Carlo Gadda anyone (ok-ish article in the LRB site), but what do ILB-ers think about him?
There is probably too little available to form much of an opinion but it doesn't cost it to throw this out there.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 April 2009 19:04 (ten years ago) link
Searching through the ILX archives there are some things on Leonardo Sciascia.
And I am going to be starting on Two Women by Moravia soon.
Has anyone read anything by Ignazio Silone? Apparently he was a member of the italian Communist Party but there are accounts he worked for the fascists, but all that really compelling history aside does anyone have any recommendations?
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 8 August 2009 17:07 (ten years ago) link
Digging Sciascia and have Silone's Fontamara as a library loan.
Anyone read Vittorini's Conversations in Sicily?
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 12 September 2009 10:21 (ten years ago) link
The more I read, the more illiterate I seem to become...
otm. I miss Ann Sterzinger.
― Aimless, Saturday, 12 September 2009 17:22 (ten years ago) link
what happened to her? did she announce she was leaving or just stop turning up one day?
― thomp, Saturday, 12 September 2009 17:45 (ten years ago) link
vittorini's sicilia book is amazing. there's a film about it (?) by straub-huillet. amazing, too.
― moullet, Saturday, 12 September 2009 17:58 (ten years ago) link
After she entered grad school to study greek and latin classics her appearances in ILB have been few and far between. We Sterzinger fans are still looking for closure. **sob**
― Aimless, Saturday, 12 September 2009 18:07 (ten years ago) link
Of course, we could be consoled in a minor way by reading her blog, which does convey a sense of why we would miss her enlightened misanthropy around here.
― Aimless, Saturday, 12 September 2009 18:15 (ten years ago) link
or you could read her novel. or email her.
― thomp, Saturday, 12 September 2009 18:28 (ten years ago) link
Reading her novel seems like excellent advice, especially buying it before reading it. Emailing her seems too... presumptuous. Unless, of course, it were an email stating that one had purchased her novel, read it, and loved it. What author could resist such an email?
― Aimless, Saturday, 12 September 2009 18:35 (ten years ago) link
Ha! I googled and found her blog the second time I revived this thread, its just hilarious and lovely really - is her book about the restaurant industry then? ;-) I should do some more googling.
Then again I won't now I said that.
Also thought of emailing her to come back and entertain and enlighten us, then thought better of it.
Thanks moullet - I've done another IL loan earlier today, can't wait.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 12 September 2009 19:57 (ten years ago) link
(doh of course the details are on her blog. Don't remember seeing that last time.)
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 12 September 2009 20:03 (ten years ago) link
Conversations in Sicily is brilliant (got the Alane Mason translation). Totally unique how it breaks down the language into an atomic simplicity of sound on the one hand and, then, on the other, how it then uses the building blocks for, well, conversations...gotta see the film.
Elsa Morante - History is a classic. What should I go onto?
Got Pasolini's A Violent Life, for the cover, but I'll get onto it someday.
Another Italian author find is Artemisa by Anna Banti.
On the look out for The Moro Affair by Sciascia, especially after catching a DVD of Il Divo, which is a kind of post-Moro affair thing (and probably the only good film Sorrentino will ever make?)
So I likes me some Italian authors.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 17 September 2010 19:07 (nine years ago) link
^Broadcast last night. A good watch (lots of lecturers from Italian departments: kept thinking that if this was made a year or two from now many of them wouldn't have a job in here.
The historical narrative of 'murders don't get solved/the crime as a means of looking into fascism/etc' only held up to Sciascia. Anglo Noir's shtick is much more pronounced than many of they would like to admit by the time it got into Baraldi and Cataldo: a lot of revenge fantasy and unflinching violence straight out of old style hardboiled noir. Only Lucarelli's fascist cop sounds interesting.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 11:02 (eight years ago) link
Malaparte anyone? Don't have access but might get this issue for that article by Edmund.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 8 October 2011 10:24 (eight years ago) link
Excellent piece on 'Zibaldone'
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 27 December 2013 11:35 (five years ago) link
For a start it says nothing about Leopardi (apart from saying it keeps the personal away = great to see an article mentioning he isn't a hunchback, which colours your view of where he is coming from) and talks about it as a piece of many more dimensions the John Gray penned New Statesman piece (which only talks about the bits that sound like John Gray).
The only downside is how it makes a great argument for reading the whole thing and not skimming thru any bits around language, that all of it does form into a coherent set of arguments, mostly composed over a two year period.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 27 December 2013 11:51 (five years ago) link
haha when i saw it was you i knew this would be the zibaldone
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 27 December 2013 19:01 (five years ago) link
I'm just too predictable.
To add to the above I only say downside because I don't want to carry this around and I seriously can't be arsed with an ereader.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 28 December 2013 11:42 (five years ago) link
My year in Italian Fiction:
- Fallen out w/Gadda. Picked up Acquainted w/Grief again earlier this year and didn't like the showy prose
Currently reading Malaparte's Kaputt and its turning out to be the best journalistic novel, not that are many? In that he stretches the imagery but the conversations feel reported and accurate in their savage content. I love and yet feel a repulsion toward the narrator, how he feels a sympathy for the poor and beaten, and yet he chooses to hang out with the victors. The reflections seem substantial, or at least not that novel: the Germans are frightened more by the weak than the strong. The reading is wide, attentive. Feels like Celine picked up on this for his trilogy? Or that's what a writer used to do...they make their choices, live them out, then survive a hanging to tell the world about it.
Makes Morante's History: A Novel which I liked it at the time, seem a lesser work in the concentration of war and its effects on a mother and child, with the existential guy later on to provide wider reflection.
- Picked up more poets: Quasimodo and Montale, see how I get on with that?
- Read a review of the latest Elena Ferrante novel. Need to read her next.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 09:39 (five years ago) link
Read and loved all the Ferrante.
Back onto Morante - finished Arturo's Island earlier today and this is really way better than History. There is a sentimentality to it that feels off to me. Arcoeli sounds unsparing as well. Both books are written from the POV of men.
Also saw Straub/Huillet's Sicilia!, their adaptation of the Vittorini. If you ever get a chance you are in for a treat.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 January 2015 11:45 (four years ago) link
i bought _days of abandonment_ and am excited to read it but the US editions of her work have the ugliest covers i have ever seen on a "serious novel."
― adam, Thursday, 8 January 2015 12:44 (four years ago) link
all the europa editions stuff i have is mad ugly tho
tomasso landolfi- gogol's wife
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:47 (four years ago) link
The cover of My Brilliant Friend signifies when you get into the last section, re the wedding.
― dow, Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:56 (four years ago) link
Finsihing a couple of Natalia Ginzburg novellas. In Velentino there are three births, three deaths (one a suicide of course), a wedding, another aborted wedding, all told matter of factly in 45 mins. Its just life, in all its disappointments.
Sagitarius is even better. Here the mother - daughter relationship is complex. In Italian novels I get the impression the mother is a village simpleton but here it seems she is more of a frustrated wannabe intellectual.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 February 2015 10:09 (four years ago) link
Sorry again, Valentino and Sagittarius
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 February 2015 10:16 (four years ago) link
Great to see a couple of pieces on Levi. Need to re-read The Periodic Table
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 16 October 2015 23:00 (four years ago) link
Thanks. I've got a copy of The Periodic Table somewhere around here, in case I haven't mentioned it before, IN ITALIAN!!!!
― Raz Turned Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 17 October 2015 02:18 (four years ago) link
― Raz Turned Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 17 October 2015 02:34 (four years ago) link
This is better, maybe because the argument for a darker conclusion is made to stick.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 October 2015 16:14 (four years ago) link
― Are You A Borad Or Are You A URL? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 23 October 2015 16:26 (four years ago) link
haha when I linked that it hadn't been opened up for non-subscribers.
I was thinking that the NYRB piece is better than the piece in the New Yorker
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 October 2015 16:30 (four years ago) link
― Are You A Borad Or Are You A URL? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 October 2015 00:35 (four years ago) link
This series of blog posts on the Levi set has turned into a monument of crank.
I stare at Brock's Pavese everytime I find myself in the LRB bookshop but don't want to stump up 18 quid or whatever. Could send me over the edge tho'.
Ippolito Nuevo looks interesting (I love his name)
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 23:26 (three years ago) link
I get that Parks wants a more down-to-earth translation (I get that Ann Goldstein is possibly too boringly literary). They are v good pieces - and they have certainly sharpened my sense of what is really translating into English or not. otoh great writing translates even if translated badly (or if the editing is bunk).
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 23:30 (three years ago) link
Parks is very entertaining, though. I really enjoyed his collection of those NYRB pieces that came out last year (this year in the US).
― like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Thursday, 17 March 2016 01:38 (three years ago) link
Who's Ippolito Nuevo, btw? A quick Googling gets me only stuff I cannot understand.
― like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Thursday, 17 March 2016 01:40 (three years ago) link
Sorry its Nievo:
Really want to read the above but no subscriber.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 17 March 2016 08:12 (three years ago) link
Now i feel even dumber, as i own but have not read that book!
― like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Thursday, 17 March 2016 11:06 (three years ago) link
Had an idea to poll off-the-classics-lists from the 19th century. Totally arbitrary list -will have to read and put that in if I like it.
This looks so much more interesting than Manzoni but I'm indie like that.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 17 March 2016 12:12 (three years ago) link
Hey, xyzzzz, I found that I had that Parks/Nievo article you wanted to read, so I uploaded it here: www.scribd.com/doc/305150648/Tim-Parks-Ippolito-Nievo
― like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Thursday, 17 March 2016 22:38 (three years ago) link
Thanks James! ha, Parks compares it to Manzoni at the end.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 March 2016 09:05 (three years ago) link
New Morante - the world needs it: http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/distributed/W/bo25015883.html
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 22:35 (three years ago) link
Ferdinando Camon's trilogy "The Fifth Estate" / "Memorial" / "Life Everlasting" is my current Italian tip. The absence of matching English editions of the three is a matter of great regret IMO.
― Tim, Thursday, 12 May 2016 15:23 (three years ago) link
The Morante sounds very exciting: I've been meaning to read her for a long time, but I'm not sure where best to start.
― one way street, Thursday, 12 May 2016 15:49 (three years ago) link
This + Alexiviech are the most exciting new bks in a while
ows - def Arturo's Island if you can get hold of the out of print copy (did via my library). Arcoeli is on Open Letter and I was talking to someone abt it on twitter as she was raving about it (its how I found out about this). Historia was good at the time and is disappointing when set against her other fiction.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:07 (three years ago) link
I just read "The Unseen" by Nanni Balestrini and it's a fierce novel of (and from) the Autonomia movement of the 70s/80s, brutal, angry, upsetting and highly recommended.
― Tim, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 08:47 (three years ago) link
Yet to pick up.
Lads lads: http://www.nyrb.com/collections/forthcoming/products/ernesto?variant=30483108743
Read the Ginzburg in the old translation and its fkn great. Saba is unknown to me and I'm excited.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 21:55 (three years ago) link
(I get that Ann Goldstein is possibly too boringly literary). Maybe somewhere, but not in the Neapolitan Novels.
― dow, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 22:37 (three years ago) link
Review of A Family Lexicon
Got to read this fantatsic piece on Elsa Mornate at the weekend. Not just a review of that book but a beautiful overview of all her works and the little of crit published in English. A must.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 10 April 2017 21:33 (two years ago) link
So I called Gadda showy for Acquainted with Grief above in the William Weaver translation but now I see Experience of Pain is coming out (I assume its a re-translation as it has a similar set-up, words in either title amount to same).
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 17 November 2017 11:06 (two years ago) link
I have that, but having read several other demented books recently i am waiting until the balance of my mind is restored before tackling ut
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 19 November 2017 07:45 (two years ago) link
Terrific piece on Bassani:
I haven't tackled this piece on Elsa Morante but will do so later:
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 25 January 2019 09:00 (ten months ago) link
And I need to read some Bassani - its a gap.
Just been reading him, so thanks for that!
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 25 January 2019 21:38 (ten months ago) link
ah yeah I saw that.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 26 January 2019 11:11 (ten months ago) link
― Tim, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 08:47 (two years ago) Permalink
Just seen on my twitter that he has passed away today
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 May 2019 10:42 (six months ago) link
RIP. I don't stop recommending that book, though I'm not sure anyone has ever read it as a result of my recommendation.
― Tim, Monday, 20 May 2019 11:38 (six months ago) link
Gotta say fiction around the struggle are a bit underwhelming to me (Victor Serge is probably best but there are a lot of other things in his fiction as well).
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 May 2019 11:51 (six months ago) link
Well I agree but this one stands out (and I've only read a bit of Serge but found "The Unseen" even more affecting - it really is unbelievably good.
― Tim, Monday, 20 May 2019 18:16 (six months ago) link
Cool, will order
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 07:48 (six months ago) link
You're welcome to borrow mine, then I won't feel guilty if you don't like it!
― Tim, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 08:50 (six months ago) link
Haha would've been fine either way but I was thinking of asking you. Cool will mail you sometime this week to arrange :)
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 10:13 (six months ago) link
Nice enough account of the latest translations of Ginzburg's quietly tragic books:
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 20 July 2019 13:40 (four months ago) link