If I had to choose between one encyclopaedic Russian novel to read, which should it be?

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Brothers Karamazov? The Idiot? Dead Souls? Turgenev? Anna?

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

BROTHERS KARAMAZOV! BROTHERS KARAMAZOV! BROTHERS KARAMAZOV!

And when you finish with that, you can read--

BROTHERS KARAMAZOV AGAIN!

Sorry to be annoying and shout, but some things need emphasizing.

Having read that, of course, you'll want to read other Dostoevsky too. The Possessed/Demons is not a bad place to start. Neither is The Idiot, an underrated work (my father's favorite novel of all time; both he and the book's hero, Prince Myshkin, are epileptic, like so many other unusual persons: Ian Curtis from Joy Division, for example. And I can't remember who else.)

And you will want to read Tolstoy. Trust me, War and Peace is neither impenetrable nor boring, whatever people may assume from looking at it.

Gogol wrote good short stories. So if you're pressed for time, you could stick with those and tackle the fine ol' law firm of Tolstoy and Dostoevksy. I haven't read Turgenev.

Phil Christman, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

Crime and Punishment.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:44 (twenty years ago) link

If you are unfamiliar with 19th century Russian novels, then you are in for a culture shock. (I mean that in a good way.) As a warm-up for Dostoevsky, you might want to dip into Maxim Gorky's autobiography. It, too, runs to several volumes, but there's no need to read it all.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 19:07 (twenty years ago) link

Flip a quarter: heads--Brothers Karamazov; tails--War and Peace.

otto, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 19:52 (twenty years ago) link

As Phil said, start with the Brothers Karamazov then move onto Dostoevsky and Tolstoy. These guys did not write anything which i would classify as avoidable.

If you want to start on a smaller scale, Turgenev's Fathers and Sons may be a good starting point, less than 300 pages and a very good book.

Also consider some of the 20th century russian authors; The Master and Margarita by Bulgakov is very different very surreal and One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich by Solzhenitsyn is both desolate and uplifting.

oblomov, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 22:22 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck the novels, read Chekhov and spend the extra free time you have from avoiding the long novels getting drunk on some fine Stoli Gold.

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 22:30 (twenty years ago) link

(How can you choose between one?)

Fathers and Sons - Turgenev.

Dorien Thomas (Dorien Thomas), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 16:22 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not sure if I would have found it boring anyway, or if Crime and Punishment was ruined for me by someone telling me that Columbo was based on the police officer in it, so all I could see was Columbo every time the guy popped up. Either way, I found it dull. Perhaps it was a bad translation.

I find that Emily Dickinson has also been ruined for me by the person who told me that all of her poems can be sung to the tune of "The Yellow Rose of Texas". I didn't need that.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 8 April 2004 09:35 (twenty years ago) link

assuming that you're NOT asking because

1) you want the hard-earned literary cred that comes from reading 19c russians

or

2) you have a deep, abiding interest in czars and gulags

i'd read "a fine balance" by rohinton mistry. it's got the same panoramic scope, detailed characterization, careful plotting and philosophical wrestling as the best best best tolstoy novels. it's also a bit easier if only because you're not wrestling with 19c diction. also i think modern-day india is just more interesting than 19c russia.

anyway, you've probably already read "fine balance" but if you haven't DO IT NOW MAN.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 8 April 2004 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

Re: 2) And samovars. And troikas. And an exquisite boredom with provincial life.

Dorien Thomas (Dorien Thomas), Thursday, 8 April 2004 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

"The dead souls" by Gogol of course. Why ? Just read the first page, the greates incipit in the history of novel.

franco simonetto, Friday, 9 April 2004 07:36 (twenty years ago) link

From Italy: Anna Karenina!!!! and Crime and punishment

anna Henrici, Friday, 9 April 2004 08:55 (twenty years ago) link

From Italy, again: Master and Margarita, Bulgakov... hope you'll enjoy it!

michele falappi, Friday, 9 April 2004 09:10 (twenty years ago) link

"The Idiot" :the beginning and the end of your knowledge.

Vinca, Friday, 9 April 2004 09:47 (twenty years ago) link

Hmmmm...I went out and spent too much cash on Brothers Karamazov last night, because of all the love for it on this board.

I adored Dr. Zhivago, I know a lot of people think it's sentimental nonsense (or at least Amazon reviewers seem too...) but the book is a lot more complicated than the better known movie and more about the loss of innocence in the 20th century than a simple love story.That's just my two cents.

Jocelyn, Friday, 9 April 2004 12:36 (twenty years ago) link

I'm an Anna man myself, but I don't have not read the Russians very widely. I'm thinking I may need to pick up Brothers K on accounta the mad props up in here. Word.

Phastbuck, Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:47 (twenty years ago) link

Anna Karenina is the only one I've finished out of all the ones you've mentioned (and it also happens to be one of my favorite books of all time), though I very much wanted to finish Brothers Karamozov, and I'm sure someday soon I will (but not until after I've tackled War and Peace. In my experience, any time you pit Dostoevsky against Tolstoy, you'll find that people have very diverging opinions, and it won't make sense to you until you've tried both and are able to decide for yourself which you like better.

Gogol is fantastic, and I agree that his short stories are all worth reading. His sense of humor is priceless.

Another good Russian classic that's not too hard to swallow: Lermontov's A Hero of Our Time. It's not quite as breathtakingly phenomenal as the others, but I was surprised by how much I liked it.

zan, Monday, 12 April 2004 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

DO NOT START with Brothers Karamazov. If you're not used to the style and the content, chances are it might lose you. Start with Crime and Punishment.

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 12 April 2004 19:56 (twenty years ago) link

hmmm that seems a little harsh to me.

Brothers K is the only encyclopedic Russian novel that I have read. I inhabited this book during a long winter in an old house and the experience was blissful. The book did lose me...when it ended, and Grushenka and Alyosha and Smerdyakov began to fade away, and I had no one with whom to talk about the book and thus revive the story. then, I was lost.

chuck, if you are still there, did you begin reading? and what did you pick?

slow learner (slow learner), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 00:20 (twenty years ago) link

Which Brothers K translations does the board recommend?

Phastbuck, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 03:00 (twenty years ago) link

Well, I actually started reading Conferderacy of Dunces instead, but I'm waiting for when the time is right to pick up Pevear's translation of C&P or Master and Margarita (which is much shorter?).

By the way, translations are a good point. Can anyone recommend a particular translator. Pevear seems get a lot of critical kudos, but I'm quite fond of my old Constance Garnett short story translations (especially Notes from the Underground).

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 16:54 (twenty years ago) link

Apols for that dreadfully punctuated post.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 16:55 (twenty years ago) link

I dig the flip a quarter approach and the fuck the novels post. But read Gogol if you're going to not read the big ones, he's the best.

(fairest), Thursday, 15 April 2004 15:09 (twenty years ago) link

doctor zhivago!

f. destouches, Sunday, 18 April 2004 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link

The Great Soviet Encyclopaedia. That's novel. (It's very good, actually.)

Dorien Thomas (Dorien Thomas), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

i just read Turgenev's Fathers and Sons, and I'm not sure. It's beautifully poetically written, but there's a tone in it that's a bit too light to be substantial. The political themes are treated in a dizzyingly ironical way, but I'm not sure what we learn.

glumdalclitch, Friday, 21 July 2017 23:20 (six years ago) link

In the end, for all the hints of larger themes, it comes across as a somewhat slight romantic novel?

glumdalclitch, Friday, 21 July 2017 23:21 (six years ago) link


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