Cormac McCarthy- The Road

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First he puts out his version of an Elmore Leonard novel, now he's doing Mad Max. I'm about two-thirds of the way through & have no idea where it's going--hints of mysticism, infants roasting on spits. I guess my
question is--who would you rather have as your living American grandmaster author--the one who can write good westerns & post-apocalyptic sci-fi or the guy who can do semi-credible alternate history (Roth)?

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Thursday, 28 September 2006 11:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I finished The Road a few weeks ago, twas a great – if harrowing - read.

Can’t answer yr question as I’m not familiar enough with Roth, but I LOVE me some Cormac; hopefully he’s got at least a couple more novels left in him.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 28 September 2006 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link

The thing about The Road – not to give away the ending – is that it seems the reader is supposed to share in the general sense of hopelessness and despair, and so much time is spent establishing how throughly ruined Cormac’s world is that it gets to the point that it’s difficult to imagine the book having anything resembling a happy ending. I mean, The Stand was more upbeat.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 28 September 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

your question has a false premise yo

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/159420120X.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_V59602266_.jpg

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 28 September 2006 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

i really want to read this . i heart the end of the world.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 28 September 2006 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post Pynchon has always adapted genre material for his novels, whereas it seems that McCarthy & Roth are just now trying out SF.
Also, Pynchon is too hidden to be a Grandmaster (by which I mean the type who shows up to receive awards and such from dozens of organizations, not necessarily the best writer.)

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Thursday, 28 September 2006 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Roth, in a walk. (Pynchon's not close, in that respect. Whether he's better than McCarthy is debatable I guess.) Both are uneven, but even when he's good--as he frequently is--McCarthy never shakes off portent and pretension entirely. What Raymond said upthread pertains to this: you have to buy Cormac's world view in order to *really* buy into his novels greatness. The same could be said to various degrees of any writer, of course, but if you don't buy it in McCarthy's case you're face-to-face with a certain silliness. I've really enjoyed McCarthy, or certain books of his, but at times I've found myself wondering who fed Louis Lamour a thesaurus?

Of course, Roth's stuck us with things like The Breast and the Plot Against America--minor or middling works throughout--but from Letting Go at the beginning to The Counterlife later on to recent things like Sabbath's Theater and The Human Stain. Hate to say it, but none of McCarthy's books are up to that standard.

Curious about The Road though. I expect it to be more entertaining than "great."

Dark Horse (The Darkest Horse), Thursday, 28 September 2006 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I just started Blood Meridian. I'm not sure yet if knowing that he's considered a 'Great American Author' is going to help or hinder my impressions.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 29 September 2006 04:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i bet ol gary would show up for some awards

http://www.hhv.de/images/cover5/50127.jpg

Josh (Josh), Friday, 29 September 2006 04:22 (seventeen years ago) link

One thing The Road doesn't have that Cormac's usually heavy on - probably because the main character spends so much time brooding, for obvious reasons, and because there aren't many living characters to begin with - is loads of lengthy, apparently gratutious monologues and discursive reasoning from those met along the way, which is sorta one of his hallmarks (cf. The Crossing and the stretches of No Country For Old Men where the sheriff meditates on the nature of man and how it's evolving dangerously).

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 29 September 2006 10:50 (seventeen years ago) link

i really wanna read the road, although i'll probably wait for paperback. it sounds very blood meridian-ish.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 1 October 2006 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

just borrowed blood meridian and cloud atlas from the library after much perusal of these threads; will report back soon.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 6 October 2006 10:52 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
i liked mccarthy a lot, then i read some really funny feminist poetry in "the exquisite corpse" that lampooned his blood-red sunsets and blood red mountains and skies and sangre de christo imagery and all the general bloodiness off the thing and ended by asking whether or not cormac was familiar with the concept of tampons and did his mom's menstruation really freak him out at age 8 or what.

it sort of reminded me of the "sangre de christo! mountains of blood! does christ never get tired of bleeding?" riff i read in ... was it burroughs "place of dead roads"?

now that i'm older and wiser a lot of it seems pretty silly but a lot of it has stuck with me, too.

as far as literary westerns go i sort of prefer the "billy the kid" book by michael ondaatje and i'm really enjoying also this recent NYRB reissue i picked up of something called "warlock" by oakley hall (pynchon wrote for the blurb on the back) and the older alvaro mutis reissues (ok that's sort of a mix of pirate stuff and western stuff and general men's adventure stuff mixed in)

all that said i want to hear more opinions on "the road" ... i can't really afford the 24 bucks and all 36 copies in the local library system are checked out or on hold but i'm dying to read it (no spoilers please)

HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

That line is in Burroughs; I only remember it from him reading it on one of his albums.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

The Road is great. One of McCarthy's best books.

Mike Lisk (b_buster), Monday, 23 October 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i totally forgot about 'all the pretty horses' being adapted into a film until this very moment.

gear (gear), Monday, 23 October 2006 23:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm sorry but i honestly can't imagine this being any good

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 11:30 (seventeen years ago) link

anyway i'm gonna go find my copy of earth abides and cut out all the proper nouns with a craft knife now

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

The sacred idiom shorn of its referents and so of its reality. Drawing down like something trying to preserve heat. In time to wink out forever.

yow! that's bad. =(

HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

*sigh*

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I like how the McCarthy detractors comb his books looking for bad sentences as if that proves their case. Lots of great writers are capable of writing bad sentences (DeLillo anyone?) and many of the best have done so. If you're going to criticize, please give me more than a selected bad sentence.

Mike Lisk (b_buster), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link

those sentences aren't bad in the context of its paragraph:

He'd had this feeling before, beyond the numbness and the dull despair. The world shrinking down around a raw core of parsible entities. The names of things following those things into oblivion. Colors. The names of birds. Things to eat. Finally the names of things one believed to be true. More fragile than he would have thought. How much was gone already? The sacred idiom shorn of its referents and so of its reality. Drawing down like something trying to preserve heat. In time to wink out forever.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

though i doubt anyone really cares:

http://www.newmillenniumwritings.com/Issue14/CormacMcCarthy.html

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 27 October 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

well i read it, and i didn't like it. it's not the sentence that rubs me the wrong way, but the world-view behind it. i guess i just feel like the particular sort of existential courage he's depicting in the book doesn't really apply to me. in it's own way, it's as artificial and kitschy as the "FWD: HEARTWARMING STORY MUST READ" stuff my grandma emails me, where a small child lists the seven wonders of the world as "seeing, feeling, hearing, touching, tasting, laughing and loving". this is like the negative image of that treacly bullshit - macho and rugged, but still bullshit.

HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 29 October 2006 02:06 (seventeen years ago) link

also i couldn't get through a lot of it without giggling: HONOUR THE FIRE!!

HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 29 October 2006 02:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i guess i just feel like the particular sort of existential courage he's depicting in the book doesn't really apply to me.
I don't live in post-Apocalyptic America either.

milo z (mlp), Sunday, 29 October 2006 03:14 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe i'm just dumm

HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 29 October 2006 03:50 (seventeen years ago) link

so wait, someone explain why it's good again?

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

It's a compelling, well written story. But that may not be enough if you're an above-it-all icy aesthete hipster with masculinity issues who needs to have your "world-view" confirmed in every thing you read.

Mike Lisk (b_buster), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

so what you're saying, mike, is that i'm not man enough for cormac mccarthy??

HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Frankly, I don't know why an author's or a reader's take on masculinity would have anything to do with judging a work of fiction. It's certainly not anything I think about while reading McCarthy's books. If the characters and situations don't ring true for you, fine. But condemning his work because his characters are too "macho and rugged" seems to say more about you than the work itself. Were the characters believable in the context of the story? That's what I ask myself while reading a book. In McCarthy's case, his characters have never rung false to me (except, maybe, for the robot-like killer in the last one--he got a little carried away with that character).

Mike Lisk (b_buster), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

it's really hard to judge the believability of the characters in such a contrived scenario. obviously i'll make exceptions for scifi when the characters aren't the point (most golden age scifi) or when the polemics are welcome (plenty of silver age scifi) but in this case i didn't really see the point. this is like "blood meridian xxxtreme" mixed w/ "the crossing, feat new + improved talking wolf", happy ending optional.

also in general i have no problem w/ an author pushing further and further into their own millieu, except i hope that they would do something interesting, and in my own experience i have found that a lot of feted authors don't. i generally prefer when authors who pick this route actually pull back from your expectations and explore their own sources (like pynchon w/ "mason + dixon" going back to stuff like "tristam shandy" and "legend of sleepy hollow" or burroughs w/ "the place of dead roads" acknowledging his debt to "gangs of new york"), otherwise you just get the author taking a high road deep into his own sensibility and you end up with something as ridiculous, sterile and overbearing as an ayn rand novel.

HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link

so wait, mike - while you're reading you sit down and ask yourself "are these characters believable to me in the context of this book?"

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 00:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Not literally, Tom. It's all make believe, right? Either you buy what the author is presenting or you don't.

Mike Lisk (b_buster), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link

finished today at 11:11am and went to drink two beers and a few espressos. great read, great structure, and wholly baffling final paragraph.

for -- SPOILERS SUBSEQUENT -- those who've finished the book, can I ask how you interpret the ending? are the swimming fish hearkened to in the final stanza (clearly re. the duo's visit to man's childhood home) supposed to be symbolic of a weird generational consonance? mystical connection? some echo of circularity, of the man in the boy? i don't think i exactly get the significance of the allusion... which is to say: i 'get' what the allusion is to but not the direction in which to interpret it. it's, hah, something of a metaphor shorn of referent, isn't it?

rems (x Jeremy), Saturday, 11 November 2006 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I really "enjoyed" (in a harrowing sense) 'The Road' though now I don't remember that last paragraph, which suggests it didn't quite fit. I also, in a recent fit of reading other end-of-civilisation novels, read Luke Rhinehart's 'Long Voyage Back', which was also good, if in a rather more airport-novelish way. But it had an author's note at the end saying, "This is a work of fiction. The actual effects of a large-scale nuclear war are so much worse than I have dramatized that no bearable work of fiction can be written about them." This strikes me as mostly tru, but 'The Road' certainly comes as close to covering the real effects (and being unbearable) as I have o far read.

James Morrison (JRSM), Monday, 13 November 2006 04:01 (seventeen years ago) link

(hey ILB; i figured this would be a better place to discuss this than my usual haunt of ILE.)

can someone explain just what mccarthy is trying to achieve with his inconsistent punctuation? this is the first novel of his i've read and at first i thought the missing apostrophes in - say - "dont" and "cant" were a way of signifying the child's speech and defining his dialogue.

but that doesn't seem to be the case - the same thing happens with the father's dialogue, and with the narratorial voice. the more i read, the less of a pattern to it i can determine, and it's actually starting to grate.

i understand that this is something he's done in other books ... what's the deal? because, 36 short pages in, it's starting to become a real problem for me.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i haven't read the road but yeah he does that. um. i don't know. my guess would be trying to emulate the spoken word as much as possible, and emphasize the rhythm of the sounds. he's big on the sound of language, and punctuation is kind of extraneous to sound. you don't need the apostrophe to get the sound of "cant".

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 06:41 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
http://www2.oprah.com/obc_classic/featbook/road/obc_featbook_road_main.jhtml

Does anyone have anything to say about how this development? McCarthy is going to be on OPRAH.

Clay, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 04:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I just finished The Road last night, and I have to say, the book was very rich and powerful, and the scenario was not contrived at all. It didn't read like a novel so much as a fable, though.

The last paragraph seemed to evoke the richness of the world as it once stood, before the world fell apart, and perhaps one way to read it is to assume that the world will be rich and full again.

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

He won the Pultizer!

Mr. Que, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I started reading this at midnight last night and didn't stop reading until 2:45am. I think this book would actually make a great video game.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 09:25 (seventeen years ago) link

The first town they go through - it was impossible for me to think it wasn't Knoxville. It could be anywhere in the foothills of the Appalachians, I guess, but the descriptions of the river, and the empty on-ramps - I dunno. Comparing this with Suttree (my favorite McCarthy book) is interesting - they're both about loners of a sort, both about wandering, scrabbling for existence. But Suttree was almost baroque with detail and language and this is just plain and desolate, with McCarthy's trademark bizarro vocabulary peeking out every now and again like little bean shoots. (What is up with Oprah these days and her choosing books that seemingly try to out-Hemingway each other?? (thinking of this and A Million Little Pieces mainly, I guess))

There's something very addictive about this book, maybe that's why I compared it to a videogame. The lack of chapters and the constant desperate, almost-on-the-verge-of-somethingness just keeps me glued into it. My friend Lisa can't stand books and movies like this. I know what she'd say. "The whole thing's just like - will they find something to eat or not? If they do they do, and if they don't they don't. So what?"

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

okay so should i read Suttree next??

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes!!!!!!!!!

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

i guess i need to finish Blood Meridian first

Mr. Que, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

This was a rough, rough book to read late at night, which was frequently when I found myself reading it because I'd get sucked into the story and I'd totally have to find out what would happen next.

I also read it right after my son was born, which lent the whole thing a bit more weight. Stunning tale.

Beatrix Kiddo, Friday, 11 May 2007 01:25 (seventeen years ago) link

fantastic, up there w/Blood Meridian. Not quite as good as the comments on Oprah's message boards, though

Morley Timmons, Friday, 11 May 2007 08:24 (seventeen years ago) link

"A film based on the novel was announced to be in development in April 2, 2007. John Hillcoat is set to direct and the script will be written by Joe Penhall.[9]"

Given that it already reads like a script, I want Penhall's job.

milo z, Saturday, 12 May 2007 05:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I assumed it was someone else's baby, kidnapped to be et.

James Morrison, Saturday, 28 June 2008 01:08 (sixteen years ago) link

i read it as bred-specifically-for-eating, and had the same wonders about efficiency. also, i was worried at there being no mention of whether or not it was free range/organic.

darraghmac, Monday, 30 June 2008 13:24 (sixteen years ago) link

^ above few posts pretty much explain problem with "barbecuing babies = horrific"

thomp, Monday, 30 June 2008 19:06 (sixteen years ago) link

You wouldn't rely on bred-for-barbecue-baby as your sole source of food, but you would at least know that you had a guaranteed source of food every 7-9 months (I'm not imagining many would go full-term), while you scavenge what's available inbetween.

Fucking hell, how gruesome has this concept made me?

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 10:48 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah but seriously, you'd have to feed the woman *and* the baby while she was pregnant -- it just doesn't add up.

banriquit, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 10:52 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah- eating the woman herself would probably be a much more efficient way of going about it

darraghmac, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 10:59 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

reading this now finally after letting it sit on my shelf for two years. it is a joy. reading this after having a child is a perfect mindfuck. oddly enough there were times over the past two years when I had to carry my son and he was way too heavy or fussy, or I've had to deal with him on very little sleep, etc, and to get myself through it I've imagined that we were in a post-apocalyptic world and that I would have to persevere despite his complaints or we would die, and it's made it bearable. also, having been a child of the 70's/early 80's, I often had nightmares of nuclear holocaust; my earliest, non-werewolf related nightmare had to do with some massive nuclear explosion.

"The Road" kind of makes me want to become a crazy ass survivalist and build a bomb shelter.

akm, Thursday, 24 July 2008 06:02 (fifteen years ago) link

read it in one sitting, and i can definitely see the attraction, but that ending....?

-- darraghmac,

was it too happy for you?

akm, Thursday, 24 July 2008 17:35 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

yeah- i guess that it just seemed so unlikely, given the total breakdown in society we've been led through up til that point. i was waiting for someone to kill & eat the kid up until the final paragraph, if i'm honest.

darraghmac, Sunday, 10 August 2008 06:00 (fifteen years ago) link

i was waiting for someone to kill & eat the kid up until the final paragraph, if i'm honest.
But McCarthy places enormous emphasis on the idea that there is real, redemptive, even absolute value in moral decision-making, even when your victories can only be phyrric and there is no evident reward to be gained. He's an idealist arguing for civilization, even when God is silent and the entire universe seems to conspire against it. In that sense, an at least somewhat redemptive ending seemed built into the whole fabric of the book, though I don't know that it needed to be quite so blatant.

(I said this upthread and it didn't go anywhere, but I've never been averse to redundancy.)

contenderizer, Monday, 11 August 2008 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

i dunno about this new cover, it's kinda lame

http://www.bookninja.com/wp-content/themes/bookninja/images/road.jpg

Mr. Que, Thursday, 23 October 2008 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link

ergh. david cameron lookalike.

senator which fanta girl u blap? (Upt0eleven), Thursday, 23 October 2008 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link

jesus that's just inappropriate.

darraghmac, Friday, 24 October 2008 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link

loooool it reminds me of that mcsweeneys thing where they talked abt the movie version - 'in book, wife is dead. Rewrite this. Have her be alive and like blowjobs.'

t_g, Friday, 24 October 2008 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Maybe wife doesn't like blowjobs—wife really likes blowjobs.

t_g, Friday, 24 October 2008 16:02 (fifteen years ago) link

surely that cover is a wind-up?

what U cry 4 (jim), Friday, 24 October 2008 16:03 (fifteen years ago) link

lol trolled

goole, Friday, 24 October 2008 16:03 (fifteen years ago) link

x-post
uh yeah. do you really think today's parent is going to call the road 'heartwarming'/??

t_g, Friday, 24 October 2008 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link

there is a baby on a spit in this book come on

t_g, Friday, 24 October 2008 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.bookninja.com/?p=4641

Mr. Que, Friday, 24 October 2008 16:09 (fifteen years ago) link

six months pass...

trailer - http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810037227/video/13468775/

just sayin, Thursday, 14 May 2009 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Wow, that looks pretty bad. Like Red Dawn or something.

nate woolls, Thursday, 14 May 2009 20:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Er... I'm liked it! The director usually knows what he's doing. But then I'm a sucker for end-of-the-world movies and books. (But, to attempt to justify myself, I can at least recognise that 'Red Dawn' was balls.)

James Morrison, Thursday, 14 May 2009 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link

I liked it. Can't even type.

James Morrison, Thursday, 14 May 2009 23:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Looks like they're trying to sell it as more of a post-apocalyptic action flick, which makes sense from a marketing perspective

Number None, Thursday, 14 May 2009 23:42 (fifteen years ago) link

So it was climate change all along? I'm sceptical. The contextless bleakness of the book means that the little slivers of the unknown good times (finding the coca cola) seem almost miraculous - they're hardly going to have the same impact if framed by 24-hour rolling news footage.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 15 May 2009 08:42 (fifteen years ago) link

They mention in the Esquire article that the news reports were just inserted in the trailer and won't actually be in the movie i think?

Number None, Friday, 15 May 2009 11:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Ugh. I hope that this is just a horribly misleading trailer.

circa1916, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link

how else are they going to sell a completely depressing + nihilistic film to the movie-going public?

I really liked the proposition, so I've got high hopes for this one

鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link

it's gotta be better than the mist, right?

鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 19:37 (fifteen years ago) link

I think you can sell the material as dramatic and intense without going all WHAM-BANG-XPLOSION!!! That thing is just a cliche-ridden mess. I hold out hope for the film being good, but damn. I don't think the Weinsteins know what to do with this movie.

circa1916, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 16:10 (fifteen years ago) link

if this movie has to be anything, it has to be very, very quiet.

U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 16:15 (fifteen years ago) link

This looks depressing.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:39 (fifteen years ago) link

That sounds trite, and I didn't mean intend it that way. As I'm sure I've mentioned before, I have an 8-year old daughter, so movies about kids in peril, or in circumstances with a certain kind of suffocating sadness, are hard for me to bear. Not begrudging others enjoying the book/movie, obv.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:45 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...

http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117940928.html?categoryid=3212&cs=1

Oh dear.

nate woolls, Thursday, 3 September 2009 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link

on the other hand, http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/sep/03/the-road-adaptation-cormac-mccarthy

caek, Thursday, 3 September 2009 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...
two weeks pass...

Anyone see this yet? I was hesitant after watching the crappy trailer, but turns out that most of the footage wasn't in the actual movie. All in all, I loved the film. I probably would recommend reading the book first if you haven't already done so.

musicfanatic, Thursday, 3 December 2009 01:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Lacked any of the drive the book had and was fairly unsuccessful at translating the love for the boy that drove the father and made the entire narrative swallowable.

smashing aspirant (milo z), Thursday, 3 December 2009 06:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Not out in Aus for months :(

Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Thursday, 3 December 2009 10:08 (fourteen years ago) link

The trailer was changed a lot for the UK, but it still looks awful : (

caek, Thursday, 3 December 2009 10:14 (fourteen years ago) link

I've seen the trailer, but I still can't imagine it as a movie unless it was filmed inside a wardrobe or something like that Cure video

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 3 December 2009 13:30 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Vigo absolutely killed it in this, and the kid wasn't bad either. A decent job all round.

Is there another thread for the movie? Hard to search for.

rhythm fixated member (chap), Friday, 21 May 2010 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, this is I Love Books.

rhythm fixated member (chap), Friday, 21 May 2010 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...

vahid never did post his list

coco b ware (cozen), Saturday, 28 August 2010 08:59 (thirteen years ago) link

You wouldn't rely on bred-for-barbecue-baby as your sole source of food, but you would at least know that you had a guaranteed source of food every 7-9 months (I'm not imagining many would go full-term), while you scavenge what's available inbetween.

Fucking hell, how gruesome has this concept made me?

― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, July 1, 2008 6:48 AM (2 years ago)

ok lol

markers, Saturday, 28 August 2010 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Just finished it. Despite its relative shortness, I found it pretty tedious. Only the second McCarthy I've read, and for whatever reason, I just can't get into him - maybe here it was mostly the sort of overuse of dictionary at hand language that kind of bugs me.

I disagree with it being tedious, but can see where the "dictionary" language can be distracting. You're reading pages of cant's and dont's with

Yes?

Yes.

Okay.

and then from out of nowhere comes a word like "balustrade".

I'm glad that in my mid-30s, I now know there's a word for that (we have two of them inside our house), but ffs. It is a distraction. Maybe I should know more words.

Overall, I like the book and yeah, having had a kid tints your mindset as you read it. It is tedious, but that's kind of the point. The end of the world won't be a party.

The baby thing was disturbing though I knew it was coming due to a lack of spoiler alerts in the past four years. The most disturbing part that stuck with me was the cellar with the people locked inside. And the more I thought about them, the more I realized that they were pretty much in the same situation as every other character in the book.

I just got done re-reading True Grit before I got on The Road, and I couldn't help but picture the guy with the rifle as perhaps wearing an eye-patch and serving writs to rats. The man with the rilfe was a bit too Lord of the Fliesy/deus ex machina, but hey, the boy's going to get score with the rifleman's daughter eventually.

And then, THANKSGIVING DINNER.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link

I disagree with it being tedious... It is tedious.

I'm kind out of practice here.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

It was maybe your dad’s fault it was like that, kid.

The implication that that method of survival was the only possible way— I found not very credible. I’m not used to feeling like a hippie, but mccarthy knew humans are social animals, right?

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Friday, 29 March 2024 15:17 (three months ago) link


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