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tom west (thomp), Sunday, 16 July 2006 07:49 (thirteen years ago) link

This comment supposedly appeared - and then disappeared - under "Editorial reviews":

Spanning the period between the Chicago World's Fair of 1893 and the years
just after World War I, this novel moves from the labor troubles in Colorado
to turn-of-the-century New York, to London and Gottingen, Venice and Vienna,
the Balkans, Central Asia, Siberia at the time of the mysterious Tunguska
Event, Mexico during the Revolution, postwar Paris, silent-era Hollywood,
and one or two places not strictly speaking on the map at all.

With a worldwide disaster looming just a few years ahead, it is a time of
unrestrained corporate greed, false religiosity, moronic fecklessness, and
evil intent in high places. No reference to the present day is intended or
should be inferred.

The sizable cast of characters includes anarchists, balloonists, gamblers,
corporate tycoons, drug enthusiasts, innocents and decadents,
mathematicians, mad scientists, shamans, psychics, and stage magicians,
spies, detectives, adventuresses, and hired guns. There are cameo
appearances by Nikola Tesla, Bela Lugosi, and Groucho Marx.

As an era of certainty comes crashing down around their ears and an
unpredictable future commences, these folks are mostly just trying to pursue
their lives. Sometimes they manage to catch up; sometimes it's their lives
that pursue them.

Meanwhile, the author is up to his usual business. Characters stop what
they're doing to sing what are for the most part stupid songs. Strange
sexual practices take place. Obscure languages are spoken, not always
idiomatically. Contrary-to-the-fact occurrences occur. If it is not the
world, it is what the world might be with a minor adjustment or two.
According to some, this is one of the main purposes of fiction.

Let the reader decide, let the reader beware. Good luck.

--Thomas Pynchon

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 16 July 2006 09:59 (thirteen years ago) link

now I have six months left to crack that copy of Mason & Dixon gathering dust on the shelf...maybe on vacation?

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 16 July 2006 10:03 (thirteen years ago) link

I have to finish Gibbon by Decemeber, then.

More Tongue Feldman (noodle vague), Sunday, 16 July 2006 10:28 (thirteen years ago) link

900-odd pages! that excites me disproportionately.

that first paragraph seems very: "oh, what a very thomas pynchon set of things to get yourself into": but then it sounds a lot more conventionally epic than the others do, when you think about it. i'm not sure whether, i mean, i just realised i have no idea what i want from pynchon at this point. which is good! probably.

tom west (thomp), Sunday, 16 July 2006 11:34 (thirteen years ago) link

also groucho marx YES

tom west (thomp), Sunday, 16 July 2006 11:35 (thirteen years ago) link

It sounds very Mason & Dixon, from the blurb. But as Ned pointed out on ILE you can maybe see GR, M&D and now this as being some sort of trilogy of secret history.

More Tongue Feldman (noodle vague), Sunday, 16 July 2006 11:41 (thirteen years ago) link

It has the look of a 'V'-prequel to me... 'U', then.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 16 July 2006 12:13 (thirteen years ago) link

i distrust ned

tom west (thomp), Sunday, 16 July 2006 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...
no one mentioned that it is called 'against the day'. it is called 'against the day.'

the release date has been moved forward to november 21; the page count has gone up to 1040(!) pages; the description is back on amazon.

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link

As I cannot keep Against the Day in mind, I shall continue to refer to it as Untitled Thomas Pynchon.

c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Tesla! Marvellous.
The Tunguska Event seems a very Pynchon thing to be written about.

Matt (Matt), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

november 21!!!!!!!!!!!

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link

There should be - there can't help but be - a special ILB AtD reading group thread.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link

better hurry up with that vineland hey josh

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 17 August 2006 07:35 (thirteen years ago) link

title kinda sounds like a Bellow book.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 17 August 2006 07:37 (thirteen years ago) link

The title sounds like what a made-up novel in a work of fiction might be called! Maybe that just means it's a stereotypical novel title though

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:19 (thirteen years ago) link

vineland, how can i in good conscience start vineland given where i am in m+d

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:55 (thirteen years ago) link

it's so hard being you.

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:13 (thirteen years ago) link

hey this dissertation ain't writing itself, and BELIEVE ME I'M TRYING TO LET IT

but yo check THIS OUT

new excerpt:

Back in 1899, not long after the terrible cyclone that year which devastated the town, Young Willis Turnstone, freshly credentialed from the American School of Osteopathy, had set out westward from Kirksville, Missouri, with a small grip holding a change of personal linen, an extra shirt, a note of encouragement from Dr. A. T. Still, and an antiquated Colt in whose use he was far from practiced, arriving at length in Colorado, where one day riding across the Uncompahgre plateau he was set upon by a small band of pistoleros.“Hold it right there, Miss, let’s have a look at what’s in that attractive valise o’yours.”
“Not much,” said Willis.
“Hey, what’s this? Packing some iron here! Well, well, never let it be said Jimmy Drop and his gang denied a tender soul a fair shake now, little lady, you just grab ahold of your great big pistol and we'll get to it, shall we.” The others had cleared a space which Willis and Jimmy now found themselves alone at either end of, in classic throwdown posture. “Go on ahead, don’t be shy, I’ll give you ten seconds gratis, ’fore I draw. Promise.” Too dazed to share entirely the gang’s spirit of innocent fun, Willis slowly and inexpertly raised his revolver, trying to aim it as straight as a shaking pair of hands would allow. After a fair count of ten, true to his word and fast as a snake, Jimmy went for his own weapon, had it halfway up to working level before abruptly coming to a dead stop, frozen into an ungainly crouch. “Oh, pshaw!” the badman screamed, or words to that effect.
“Ay! Jefe, jefe,” cried his lieutenant Alfonsito, “tell us it ain’ your back again.”
“Damned idiot, o’ course it’s my back. Oh mother of all misfortune--and worst than last time too.”
“I can fix that,” offered Willis.
“Beg your pardon, what in hell business of any got-damn pinkinroller’d this be, again?”
“I know how to loosen that up for you. Trust me, I’m an osteopath.”
“It’s O.K., we’re open-minded, couple boys in the outfit are evangelicals, just watch where you’re putting them lilywhites now--yaaagghh--I mean, huh?”
“Feel better?”
“Holy Toledo,” straightening up, carefully but pain-free.
“Why, it’s a miracle.”
“Gracias a Dios!” screamed the dutiful Alfonsito.
“Obliged,” Jimmy guessed, sliding his pistol back in its holster.

AND news that THE ZAK SMITH ILLUSTRATIONS ARE GONNA BE PUBLISHED INNA BOOK!!!!!!!

i'm jumping up and down!!!

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:53 (thirteen years ago) link

1. Whee! If ever a Pynchonian line of dialogue I've ever read: “It’s O.K., we’re open-minded, couple boys in the outfit are evangelicals, just watch where you’re putting them lilywhites now--yaaagghh--I mean, huh?”

2. But that makes another edition of GR that I have to get now?

c('°c) (Leee), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link

1. yaaagghh
2. well yuh!

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
no one has noted yet that there is COVER ART. of a sort.

(and, comically, i have since read vineland but not touched m+d in some time.)

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 14 September 2006 05:40 (thirteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/159420120X.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_V59602266_.jpg

YOU CALL THAT ART??interrobang?

c('°c) (Leee), Friday, 15 September 2006 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link

"Salingeresque".

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 15 September 2006 10:57 (thirteen years ago) link

there's the proof!

the uk edition will probably go for a chick-lit angle.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 15 September 2006 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link

How was Vineland? Easy, breezy Cover Girl reading?

c('°c) (Leee), Friday, 15 September 2006 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link

so amazon is saying the uk edition comes out dec 5, two weeks after the us? bah i thought i read it wz gonna be simultaneous.

(is anyone going to order it from america, or would that be silly)

rtccc (mwah), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link

well, kind of, yeah. i had picked it up a couple of times in the past but never got more than a few pages in because i wasn't too motivated to read it and the opening didn't really do anything for me. but this time through there was really no holding back. it was laidback, amiable, pleasurable. only a little bit maybe two thirds of the way through did i start to feel a little impatient. but it didn't feel that engaging, compared to the high standard of the three books before it. i mean, i approached it more like, oh, what's this here - rather than it having me by the throat, or it being like an addiction, or my being guided by an incredible sense of wonder. i think this probably has a number of causes. the prose is toned-down, more approachable, less of a sheer display of brilliance. the story feels more linear, in the way it follows protagonists from place to place, and the way it incorporates retrogressions, memories, stories about the past, and also merely in its formal organization into chapters. i warmed up to most of the characters as i went but i feel as if maybe they weren't given enough time. it would be interesting to compare to lot 49 - it's not that much longer, but it seems that the number of prominent characters is bigger. also, a lot of the high-culture-low-culture intermingling struck me as deliberately awkward, or prominent, or blunt somehow. it was less integrated into the fabric of the story in a mythological way. and while i'm sure that serves to make a point about the characters' lives being dominated by pop culture in a new or more complete way, it didn't always work for me other than intelelctually. this could be because i'm missing some of the reference points, somehow, because parts did do it more for me. the opening takeshi chapter, for example, despite its kinda being dumb.

it strikes me than the whole thanatoid thing is the first time pynchon was so deliberate about making something semi-supernatural-abnormal-surreal-mythological seem constructed, invented, made up. and i thought it made it more awkward. that kind of connects with the references to the tube, as a thing, i suppose. those things especially combined to make it feel pointedly like the book had an argument, which is not something i'm used to from pynchon.

i know it will grow with rereading but i'd much rather read gravity's rainbow again. : )

also, he wasn't consistent about putting dates on the films that people mentioned. i wonder why.

Josh (Josh), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link

hahaha there is a key to that one josh

tom west (thomp), Friday, 15 September 2006 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link

vineland seems to have been started in a position of exhaustion and ended kind of replenished. about half of it works for me. i used to say the opening was 'too zappa' but i don't think that works, really. pynchon's (not v good) introduction to jim dodge's (alright) 'stone junction' maybe seems sort of relevant to where it seems P. is taking the easy way out, in some ways.

i think it's probably the first time that pynchon tackles the kind of 60s 'politics' which rather underpins the first three, and maybe manages to get a lot of that out of his system: viz its not really being present in mason and dixon? well okay it totally IS present in mason and dixon but in different ways.

the popcult stuff - there's a scene in a mall at the end which was really formative to how i looked at this stuff myself, when i read this. it's a hard one to unpack, tho.

apart from the cyberpunk bit it seems to avoid the kind of uh structural and/or superficial parodies of various genres that underpin most of his novels.

tom west (thomp), Friday, 15 September 2006 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link

what's the key tom? it never occured to me to think about it.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link

tom do you think that because you're not counting most of the below as parodies or whatever (say sophisticated bakhtinian 'parodies' if you want) or because you think they're not structural or superficial?

the cop show / police procedural
godzilla movie
spy thriller with some kinda la femme nikita shit thrown in
a bit of road movie maybe?
the classic retreat-to-a-sanctuary-full-of-nuns-or-ninjas

i take it there are some more but those are off the top of my head.

and just to be clear, in what sense do you mean 'tackle'? in vineland he seems pretty argumentative and i suppose more direct about failures and weaknesses of countercultural/subcultural political action, and a bunch of other stuff, but isn't that kind of a big theme of part 4 of gravity's rainbow?

Josh (Josh), Saturday, 16 September 2006 06:18 (thirteen years ago) link

josh it is more because they completely passed me by! probably because these are all genres i've never really gotten around to. (mainly cuz jeez, you think the standard of english cop shows is up to much?* - ) although the godzilla bit is only like ... two pages? so you may be pushing it with some of these, i dunno. it's years since i read it.

yeah, tackles needed a qualifier like "directly". it is the first time he writes about countercultural/subcultural etc by writing straightforwardly about campus protests and such.

the movie thing divides the movies that are real from the ones pynchon made up, or at least i thought so.

*n.b. pedants i am sure that the sweeney or whatever was awesome but it was long long long before my time

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 16 September 2006 07:37 (thirteen years ago) link

i have a question - is there a page in g's r where it notes that slothrop's last documented appearance was in the credits (as kazoo player) on an album by The Fool? bcz i can't find it, see.

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 16 September 2006 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link

p742.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Saturday, 16 September 2006 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link

thank you! christ, i swear i was looking at that page, i was definitely looking for the Dillinger bit. so is that credit on the album by the actual Fool, or is it just a coincidence?

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 16 September 2006 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link

ha yeah the whole thing with hector and brock is a total pastiche, based on something so familiar to americans that i hardly know how to pick a good movie or tv show in particular to illustrate it. there's a bit where the narrator makes a comment about how people react to police violence and rights violations on tv shows; i wonder if that stuff comes off the same way to the english.

Josh (Josh), Saturday, 16 September 2006 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
eesh, i think i just ruined lot 49 for my classmates.

tom west (thomp), Monday, 9 October 2006 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link

The ending or the entire book?

c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 9 October 2006 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link

or the lot?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link

no mention of http://www.nypost.com/seven/09282006/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm ?

milo z (mlp), Friday, 13 October 2006 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
The first review?

From Publishers Weekly. Starred Review. Knotty, paunchy, nutty, raunchy, Pynchon's first novel since Mason & Dixon (1997) reads like half a dozen books duking it out for his, and the reader's, attention. Most of them shine with a surreal incandescence, but even Pynchon fans may find their fealty tested now and again. Yet just when his recurring themes threaten to become tics, this perennial Nobel bridesmaid engineers another never-before-seen phrase, or effect, and all but the most churlish resistance collapses. It all begins in 1893, with an intrepid crew of young balloonists whose storybook adventures will bookend, interrupt and sometimes even be read by, scores of at least somewhat more realistic characters over the next 30 years. Chief among these figures are Colorado anarchist Webb Traverse and his children: Kit, a Yale- and Göttingen-educated mathematician; Frank, an engineer who joins the Mexican revolution; Reef, a cardsharp turned outlaw bomber who lands in a perversely tender ménage à trois; and daughter Lake, another Pynchon heroine with a weakness for the absolute wrong man. Psychological truth keeps pace with phantasmagorical invention throughout. In a Belgian interlude recalling Pynchon's incomparable Gravity's Rainbow, a refugee from the future conjures a horrific vision of the trench warfare to come: "League on league of filth, corpses by the uncounted thousands." This, scant pages after Kit nearly drowns in mayonnaise at the Regional Mayonnaise Works in West Flanders. Behind it all, linking these tonally divergent subplots and the book's cavalcade of characters, is a shared premonition of the blood-drenched doomsday just about to break above their heads. Ever sympathetic to the weak over the strong, the comradely over the combine (and ever wary of false dichotomies), Pynchon's own aesthetic sometimes works against him. Despite himself, he'll reach for the portentous dream sequence, the exquisitely stage-managed weather, some perhaps not entirely digested historical research, the "invisible," the "unmappable"—when just as often it's the overlooked detail, the "scrawl of scarlet creeper on a bone-white wall," a bed partner's "full rangy nakedness and glow" that leaves a reader gutshot with wonder. Now pushing 70, Pynchon remains the archpoet of death from above, comedy from below and sex from all sides. His new book will be bought and unread by the easily discouraged, read and reread by the cult of the difficult. True, beneath the book's jacket lurks the clamor of several novels clawing to get out. But that rushing you hear is the sound of the world, every banana peel and dynamite stick of it, trying to crowd its way in, and succeeding. (Nov.). Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 6 November 2006 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Skylight Books in L.A. is having a midnight sale for it on Monday!

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link

a week early? bastards :(

tom west (thomp), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link

i too was incensed and put out until i decided that he meant monday the 20th. i hope.

Josh (Josh), Saturday, 11 November 2006 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link

'League on league of filth'

the pinefox (the pinefox), Saturday, 11 November 2006 09:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Josh, how ya been, sir?

LA Times review

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 23:52 (thirteen years ago) link

From the reviews I've read it seems like TP has deliberately, almost sadistically, set out to write the novel that would most enrage James Wood - the ne plus ultra of hysterical realism.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link

man fuck amazon

Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:43 (thirteen years ago) link

this may be nuts, and more knowledgable people may be able to point elsewhere (sure AE Waite wrote something that might even pass for scholarly) but I really like The Book of Thoth by Aleister Crowley.

Fizzles, Sunday, 3 November 2013 11:00 (six years ago) link

get a Rider-Waite deck and 'The Complete Guide to the Tarot' by Eden Gray is a good place to start for a newbie.

and Fizzles ain't nuts - 'Book of Thoth' is one of the best books and essential if you get into his deck, but probably too much Crowley for the uninitiated.

saki, Sunday, 3 November 2013 14:23 (six years ago) link

Also, if you want to know more about Tarot in Pynchon, be sure to read the chapters of Against the Day where Lew Basnight comes to London. There are some really interesting ideas about characters and the Tarot, which offers a complete way to interpret pretty much all Pynchons books. Though it's obviously just a lark. The parallels between Slothrop and Basnight are really interesting, though.

Frederik B, Sunday, 3 November 2013 15:43 (six years ago) link

Been curious abt Crowley in about forever so maybe its time. Thx for all recommends!

xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 November 2013 16:55 (six years ago) link

at one point I looked around for any other references to the Kirghiz Light and eventually assumed that Pynchon just made it up.

sleeve, Monday, 4 November 2013 17:26 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

finished a few months back: and LOVED (it took me several years and one complete re-start)

favourite moment = when i suddenly realised the story was unavoidably approaching the tunguska incident

(more in-world overlap with vineland: the traverses are ancestors of frenesi)

mark s, Saturday, 13 August 2016 14:56 (three years ago) link

Oh, I just got my hope up that a new was on the way :(

Another possible in-world overlap: Lew Basnight is described as The Fool in the Tarot conspiracy, and he seemingly has the ability to move between worlds. Tyrone Slothrop also becomes The Fool and vibrates his way out of this world.

Frederik B, Saturday, 13 August 2016 15:05 (three years ago) link

man this thread makes me sad: I don't know whether I could imagine approaching that specific modality of enthusiasm ever again

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 13 August 2016 15:14 (three years ago) link

xp

as i was reading i was often wondering if it was going to intersect more definitively with GR

(there's a throwaway bodine but i don't really count that)

thomp the film fired me up all over again :)

mark s, Saturday, 13 August 2016 15:19 (three years ago) link

the film of IV i mean, there isn't an ATD film scheduled yet

mark s, Saturday, 13 August 2016 15:19 (three years ago) link

was loving against the day last time i got halfway through it but then it disappeared; this was a couple years ago but just last week i ordered another copy actually.

honestly was relieved when this revive didn't mean a new one.

have the monk notes from which ATD's epigraph is taken on my wall.

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 13 August 2016 15:26 (three years ago) link

i got halfway through it but then it disappeared

when the weird shift happens in ATD with the Balloon Boys section it is very disorienting, but it eventually gets back on (an alternate reality?) track. I am really looking forward to re-reading this.

ro✧✧✧@il✧✧✧.c✧✧ (sleeve), Saturday, 13 August 2016 21:54 (three years ago) link

Best Name Award goes to Bevis Moistleigh this time, speshly if Bevis is pronounced how I suspect

note. - the name bevis should be pronounced with a short e (the fact there is a richard jefferies ref in atd = awesomeness!)

i really do need to read this through again without the multi-year gap of my first go through.

no lime tangier, Sunday, 14 August 2016 05:36 (three years ago) link

yeah this book is like the greatest thing

imago, Sunday, 14 August 2016 08:38 (three years ago) link

I took dlh to mean his copy literally went missing, hence ordering a new one

this is probably my favourite Pynchon of the four I've read

llandfillpollgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch (wins), Sunday, 14 August 2016 08:42 (three years ago) link

it might be his best, which puts it somewhere at or near the literary pinnacle. maybe gr is still more mysterious and holistic or w/e but this is a thousand pages of dropped jaw

imago, Sunday, 14 August 2016 08:47 (three years ago) link

and no it shouldn't be filmed

gr = ten-hour anime
m&d = hbo series
atd = the point-and-click to end them all

imago, Sunday, 14 August 2016 08:48 (three years ago) link

I took dlh to mean his copy literally went missing, hence ordering a new one

yeah this. if it were GR i'd say it disintegrated; won't be sure until reread what the michelson-morley-metaphorical equivalent is.

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 14 August 2016 10:13 (three years ago) link

displaced?

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 25 August 2016 00:09 (three years ago) link

omg it happened again

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 4 September 2016 18:37 (three years ago) link

Would totally play the shit out of a point-and-click Against The Day.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 09:37 (three years ago) link

From the wiki:

According to Robert Bramkamp's docudrama about the V2 and Gravity's Rainbow, entitled Prüfstand VII, the BBC initiated a project to produce a film adaptation of Gravity's Rainbow between 1994 and 1997. Some unfinished footage is included in Bramkamp's film.[18] The Bramkamp movie includes other dramatized sequences from the novel as well, while the main focus is on Peenemünde and the V2.

Saw this, its ok, like lots of the footage, but its marred by a quirkyness that doesn't quite fit. However it was good to see an European take on GR

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 22:25 (three years ago) link

Someone should do a Pynchon inspired conspiracy/alt-history/anthology tv-show like Fargo called P.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 22:38 (three years ago) link

I am in the middle of a second reading of GR (ten years since the last one) and one thought i keep having is that while it would be totally fun to see someone attempt to film it i just dont see how it wouldnt be a total disaster.

ryan, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 22:47 (three years ago) link

oh and the 10 year gap means that i am only slightly less lost than the first time, but i remember a unusually high number of set pieces and scenes, if in a disjointed fashion.

ryan, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 22:48 (three years ago) link

yeah kinda tantalizing xp cuz it lends itself to cinema better than yr average giant unfilmable novel -- frames of film as integral slices a key part of the image system; movie genre pastiches; musical sequences etc

laurie anderson says that she took his conditions for a GR musical adaptation (ukes only) as "a polite no" but why

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 22:53 (three years ago) link

I think a "free" -ish adaptation is the only way a film of GR might work.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 22:58 (three years ago) link

Alex Ross Perry did do a very free version of it, though I haven't seen it. I haven't seen Inherent Vice either. And Pynchon is by far my favorite writer, I don't know what's wrong with me.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 23:16 (three years ago) link

Inherent Vice is good but i feel like the distinctive qualities of Pynchon's voice only emerge intermittently.

ryan, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 23:42 (three years ago) link

gr = ten-hour anime

― imago, Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:48 AM (three weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is exactly right: Studio Gainax or bust

one way street, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 23:51 (three years ago) link

ukes only = polite no
kazoos = yes do it

mark s, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 21:55 (three years ago) link

ows - the ten-hour anime of GR is one of the worst ideas ever and it pains me to see you subscribe to it, even if jokingly.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 21:58 (three years ago) link

it's cute that someone's still hazing me in 2016

imago, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 22:26 (three years ago) link

where would yous situate gravity's rainbow - in terms of difficulty - with reference to the rest of Pynchon's ooooeuvre? liked it but found it hard-going

ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 22:31 (three years ago) link

have only read crying and the three epics but GR is comfortably the hardest

imago, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 22:33 (three years ago) link

I think Gravity is by far the hardest. Pynchon is actually really careful to create red threads throughout his books, he almost never jumps into something completely new without warning you first, but some of the links in Gravity are very minor. Yes, it's stated that Slothrop will take part in some experiments with drugs, but it's still a shock when the book devolves into hallucinatory nonsense about the Kenosha Kid. The Pökler's are only introduced in a vision from a medium, before the book all of a sudden jumps back to early thirties Germany. GR really is more fragmented and 'harder', while Mason & Dixon and Against the Day are more straightforward. GR really rewards rereading as well.

Something like Infinite Jest is much more willfully fragmented than anything Pynchon has ever done.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 22:46 (three years ago) link

found infinite jest an easy read, tho of course it is extremely to miss important plot points in ij because of the fragmented nature of the narrative

ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 22:49 (three years ago) link

I agree IJ is an easier read, I'm just saying that GR is actually more fragmented. When I wrote my thesis on GR I went through the first big chunks of both books and mapped out connections between sections. And GR always makes sure to introduce the following section, while IJ does not. It's just easy to overlook because there is SO MUCH going on in GR all the time, while IJ will spend pages on a businessman watching television.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 23:11 (three years ago) link

ows - the ten-hour anime of GR is one of the worst ideas ever and it pains me to see you subscribe to it, even if jokingly.

― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, September 7, 2016 4:58 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I feel like any adaptation of GR (one of my favorite novels) that attempts to be faithful to its source is going to be a debacle, so I'd want it at least to be a colorful one. Really, though, my dream adaptation would be a very long Rivette film with the kind of tenuous relationship to Pynchon that Out 1 had to Balzac.

one way street, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 23:22 (three years ago) link

"Reef was always the reckless one," he recalled, "what folks call 'wild,' and Frank was the reasonable one, may've gone crazy now and then for a minute and a half, but I was never around to see it."

"And what about you, Kit?"

"Oh, I was just the baby."

"I think you were the religious one." Hard to tell just then if she was teasing.

^^^ ballsy

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Friday, 9 September 2016 05:23 (three years ago) link

Really, though, my dream adaptation would be a very long Rivette film with the kind of tenuous relationship to Pynchon that Out 1 had to Balzac.

Yeah, I think an adaptation that can capture certain moods of the book and faithfully render certain scenes. Good shout on Rivette.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 9 September 2016 08:28 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I bet PTA winds up doing a film of GR...I read an interview with him during the filming of Inherent Vice where he claimed he had never read GR. That was so preposterous it made me suspicious

Iago Galdston, Monday, 3 October 2016 01:46 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

enjoying ATD even more on my second round, dude sends me to wikipedia more than any other author

sleeve, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 20:29 (one month ago) link

hurrah!

imago, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 20:35 (one month ago) link

even the weird, confusing part where the Chums end up incognito as students on a campus made more sense this time

sleeve, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 20:37 (one month ago) link

Huh was just wondering today if Bleeding Edge will be his last book, revive got my hopes up!

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 20:38 (one month ago) link

sorry! no dedicated thread for ATD.

sleeve, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 20:39 (one month ago) link

"dude sends me to wikipedia more than any other author"

yeah, was always pleasantly surprised to find out so many of the weird ass historical events referenced in his books were not just totally invented things.

circa1916, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 21:02 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

TP would be on my COVID worry list if he hadn't been self-isolating for the past 50 years amirite

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Saturday, 14 March 2020 16:07 (two weeks ago) link

he wasnt on mine but now he is, i tht this was a (deprecated) RIP notice >:(

mark s, Saturday, 14 March 2020 16:17 (two weeks ago) link


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