A halo of warmth in the darkness of the year: what are you reading spring 2023?

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(i was wrong, This Perfect Day is between R's Baby and Stepford)

koogs, Thursday, 4 May 2023 18:49 (one year ago) link

I bought A Kiss Before Dying as well

Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Thursday, 4 May 2023 19:02 (one year ago) link

Always been curious about Perfect Day as it’s been lying around my parents house for a half century with this cover

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 4 May 2023 21:06 (one year ago) link

Bono's SURRENDER reaches his work in the early 2000s on African debt and AIDS relief. This part of the book is not the most enjoyable.

Bono makes a case for the importance of the AIDS treatment based on his travels in Africa. He also describes his negotiations with US politicians to try to secure funding. He is very favourable about Condoleeza Rice and re: G. W. Bush, emphasises that he created the biggest healthcare initiative ever.

I found this difficult to read because I do not like those people. Bono says nothing about the other things that they did which many people thought were bad.

Separately, I find myself thinking that Bono could put lots of energy and ingenuity into campaigning for medicine in Africa - and I cannot criticise that - but he would never campaign for eg: socialised health in the USA, which I believe would also be good for many people. In some sense, I think, the latter is 'too political' for him. It doesn't fit his view of politics as something that you have to transcend.

the pinefox, Friday, 5 May 2023 07:38 (one year ago) link

Meanwhile I have started Nell Dunn's UP THE JUNCTION (1963). I think my vague idea of this book was that it was a 'kitchen sink novel'. But it's really more a series of vignettes, which appear to be quasi-documentary rather than primarily fictional. It contains a lot of dialogue which is unattributed - like hearing the voices on a Free Cinema documentary. It contains some flashes of striking prose.

The book is not very long. It belongs to the category of 'books that I have owned for a long time that I would like to read rather than constantly leaving them unread while I acquire new books'.

the pinefox, Friday, 5 May 2023 07:42 (one year ago) link

I started reading the introduction of Ed Yong's An Immense World where he sets up a thought experiment or scenario where several different animals and a young woman are in a large room together. So he compares what their sense experience is likely to be. I enjoyed what I read so far but am in the middle of several other books so I left it there for now.
Book is about the experience of the world through what is understood of other animals' senses and what it tells us about the human experience. Have only come across him talking about the one imaginary woman so am assuming he is fully recognising neurodiversity.
I think it is getting good reviews and teh podcast appearances I've heard have been quite good.

Stevo, Friday, 5 May 2023 08:25 (one year ago) link

Up The Junction turned into a BBC Ken Loach play that I think was reshown a couple of months ago and a film that has Dot Cotton from early years of Eastenders in . I noticed there were differences between the play and the film. Film may be truer to the book.
Film had a great Manfred Mann theme song.

I have the book or at least read it a long time ago, probably early 90s. So probably picked it up from one of the Dublin cheap booksellers.

I think play was reshown, I certainly saw it so am assuming it was on tv rather than downloaded.

Stevo, Friday, 5 May 2023 08:31 (one year ago) link

I definitely want to read An Immense World. I'm currently taking a break from The Traveller of the Century to read Vicki Baum's Grand Hotel. So far seems to be a novel of characters, I generally prefer novels of plots but we'll see.

ledge, Friday, 5 May 2023 08:37 (one year ago) link

re up the junction: film is not in my opinion truer to the book

interesting maybe as a rare example of london-based kitchen sink (which tended to be a northern phenom)

mark s, Friday, 5 May 2023 09:38 (one year ago) link

"Dot Cotton from early years of Eastenders"

Think she was in late years also !

the pinefox, Friday, 5 May 2023 09:50 (one year ago) link

gyac, I've always been troubled by how well I thought the film of Rosemary's Baby depicts the things you mention - considering Polanski's own history, it felt to me like the sort of twisted compartmentalization of an abuser who has the intelligence and empathy to understand how gaslighting works and what effects it has on its victim while somehow still being able to indulge in it himself. now I'm wondering if I wasn't giving credit to Polanski that actually belongs to Levin.

pinefox, I think in addition to the things you mention it's worth being critical of the initiatives themselves, i.e. how much of the money actually goes where it should, how much profit is being made off the back of it, how much of this is PR and tax evasion, how much of it is top down "here Africans the white man has come to help you" as opposed to engaging with grass roots activists on the ground, etc.. of course I don't expect Bono himself to get into those issues.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 5 May 2023 10:22 (one year ago) link

The film version of Rosemary's Baby is famously faithful to the novel; iirc Polanski only omits a very minor subplot about Rosemary's sister.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 5 May 2023 10:29 (one year ago) link

xp I don't watch Eastenders so had assumed she would be long gone. It was funny seeing her as a teen in the late 60s film after seeing her in that though. I think Maureen Lipman is also in the film.

I used to go down to a clothing shop in Clapham in the mid 80s, bought a fringed suede jacket from there. Not really familiar with teh area otherwise. I think it was heavily gentrified since the book/play/film wasn't it?

Stevo, Friday, 5 May 2023 10:34 (one year ago) link

A funny thing about Bono's account is that he keeps going to see Republican senators who say "why should we give money to these African countries - they're riddled with corruption?". And Bono says "Senator, I appreciate that, but we're working on good governance ..."

The reason I find this funny (not in a very happy way) is that I believe that the Republican party is responsible for massive corruption in the USA.

the pinefox, Friday, 5 May 2023 10:48 (one year ago) link

The CIA's role in this corruption as the US and USSR used much of Africa for proxy wars also worth pointing out (though I grant this would not get republican senators onside).

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 5 May 2023 10:55 (one year ago) link

I tried to get at this months ago, and perhaps caused some damage to my standing here, but will say what I meant then: Bono is a fucking idiot.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Friday, 5 May 2023 11:38 (one year ago) link

Mary Renault - Funeral Rites
Isabel Wilkerson - Caste
Glyn Maxwell - The Boys at Twilight: Poems 1990-1995

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 May 2023 11:51 (one year ago) link

entirely agreed :)

xpost

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 5 May 2023 11:51 (one year ago) link

xp re Bongo
I assumed that was well known.
Is anybody stanning for him?
Do hope his days as an automatic talking head are over or at least numbered.

Do remember walking behind him on Temple Bar and realising what a little man he was, not to be sizist or anything. But does make you wonder if the napoleon complex is a thing.

Stevo, Friday, 5 May 2023 11:53 (one year ago) link

the beginning of the gentrification of clapham is literally what "up the junction" is about (nell dunn moving there from fashionable chelsea in the late 50s)

mark s, Friday, 5 May 2023 13:34 (one year ago) link

Mary Renault - Funeral Rites

Funeral Games, innit?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 5 May 2023 17:52 (one year ago) link

yep

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 May 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link

I finished *Stepping Stones* the series of interviews with Seamus Heaney. It's 600 pages long and became oddly hypnotic the further along I got. Despite the Nobel prize, I don't think I'd fully metabolised his standing as a cultural figure (ignorance or provincialism, on my part?). Friends with Lowell and Bishop, Hughes and Brodsky; professorships at Harvard and Oxford; reading at Milosz's funeral. Still, there is a moment, after his stroke, when Clinton comes calling to his hospital bed, that the size of his achievement really dawned on me. I don't know why it should have been that when the work is right *there* but, somehow, the work operates - continues to work - on a different level. It's so thrumming and sinuous that *book* doesn't quite feel like the right word. Artefact, probably.

Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Sunday, 7 May 2023 20:38 (one year ago) link

Now reading David Toop's *Sinister Resonance*. Even for Toop, this is episodic, fractured and abstract. The main threads of it are meditations on paintings and sculptures; the uncanny silences held within the frames, the subjects - particularly of Vermeer, di Chirico, Nicolaes Maes and Juan Muñoz. There are the usual excursions into place, artefacts and hypnagogia though, and he always makes me want to go back to the art - in whatever form it takes.

Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Sunday, 7 May 2023 20:51 (one year ago) link

I took another break from the French Revolution and read The Long Goodbye, Raymond Chandler. No need to comment. It's a classic.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 7 May 2023 23:21 (one year ago) link

Only time for dissertation reading at the moment, but David Aitchison's The School Story: Young Adult Narratives in the Age of Neoliberalism is a good read for anyone who is interested in any part of that title.

niall horanburger (cryptosicko), Monday, 8 May 2023 18:27 (one year ago) link

Meanwhile I have started Nell Dunn's UP THE JUNCTION (1963). I think my vague idea of this book was that it was a 'kitchen sink novel'. But it's really more a series of vignettes, which appear to be quasi-documentary rather than primarily fictional. It contains a lot of dialogue which is unattributed - like hearing the voices on a Free Cinema documentary. It contains some flashes of striking prose.

The book is not very long.

Intriguing, thanks! Anybody else here read it, got comments?

dow, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 03:28 (one year ago) link

mark s says rare bit of London kitchen sink, pinefox's take makes it seem not dreary, maybe the more textured, restless shades of grey.

dow, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 03:33 (one year ago) link

The 2 adaptations, Ken Loach play and 68 film with manfred Mann soundtrack are both pretty good. I think BBC had the play on a few months back.
& if the title pun isn't clear it's set in Clapham near the junction and there is a slang term Up The Junction which I thought was about being pregnant but may be more widely similar to up shit creek.

I thought the book was quite good but it has been a long time since I read it. Mark S was saying it was an outsiders view of teh area since teh writer had come from what had been a posher area and was relating her experiences in this place. It was just becoming a place that people were in teh process of gentrifying after I think it had been run down for a while. I think that had been a process in London for a while, to simplify area has cheap rents and somewhat decent property in bad repair so people on a budget move in do up the place they move into and word gets out so other people think its a fashionable area to live in so it gets a different reputation. I think that continues in a cycle until the population of a town becomes too high for it to do so. Possibly until rents are too high for people to be able to move around at all too.
But I think Clapham went from being a pretty working class place to a far less so one.

Stevo, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 08:05 (one year ago) link

May also depend on people being able to afford to actually buy the place they're doing up rather than improving things for a 3rd party landlord etc.
Also aware that over last 100 years other populations have been added into the mix to greater degree. probably more recently here where mass Eastern European and African immigration suddenly massively increased in the early 2000s though there are areas of Dublin and elsewhere that had been concentrated points of immigrant living for much much longer.
Europe did have a lot of further afield immigrants for hundreds of years but population in UK and elsewhere increased massively in the 20th century I think. Cosmopolitan population just hadn't been depicted as such until pretty recently, though I did notice that French films of the early 20th century did seem to have one black minor part or extra much more than English ones did. I watched a whole load of European films in a short time a couple of years ago.

Stevo, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 08:27 (one year ago) link

my copy wd have been my mum's or my dad's, a classic pan paperback with this (excellent, somewhat misleading) cover:

https://i0.wp.com/maryrizza.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/upthejunction1j.jpg

mark s, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 09:31 (one year ago) link

Ken Loach play has at least one ton up boy in, which would fit in with the fashion of the girl on teh cover.
As would teh semi bohemian ness of the author moving into an area like that possibly.
Look is somewhat hip, somewhat sassy, from the era isn't it, without being mod or something.

Stevo, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 14:16 (one year ago) link

Thanks yall! Seems to be current cover of trade pb---similar looking girl on other cover variants I'm seeing, wonder if this one is the author? Good pic anyway

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61gL1ATxTxL.jpg

dow, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 18:54 (one year ago) link

it's the original cover image from the 1963 hardback first edn and yes, i think it is her

(judging by other photos she enjoys an unexpected hat)

mark s, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 19:01 (one year ago) link

I have the Pan edition that Mark S shows.

As mentioned, the book is quite unusual in not being much of a novel, but more a set of documentary vignettes. It's short, so it wouldn't cost you much time to try reading it if interested.

Mark S was shrewd in suggesting that wealthy Nell Dunn's move to Clapham was the start of gentrification, but I add that in this book she is not transplanting a fancy middle-class lifestyle to a poor area (and thus changing it). Quite the opposite. She's (at least in the text, if not in real life) 'going native' like Orwell in his documentary books, making herself like one of the local women as much as possible - doing the work they do in their workplaces, going to their pubs and chip shops. I haven't quite yet discerned, from the book, the aim of this, unless it's simply to generate material to write about.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 19:06 (one year ago) link

Thanks---yeah, looks like it might be her on that cover, since same woman on these covers of The Muse: a memoir of love at first sight and Talking With Women---several books here; what else is good? https://www.amazon.com/stores/Nell-Dunn/author/B001K8EHY6?ref=ap_rdr&store_ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true
I'm guessing UTJ is a good place to start.

dow, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 19:19 (one year ago) link

talking with women is p good iirc, proto-feminist interviews from the mid-60s (content self-explanatory)

mark s, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 19:28 (one year ago) link

reading dad lit in my capacity as a dad this month:

the wager by david grann (as excerpted in the new yorker https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-wager-david-grann-book-excerpt). this is a pretty good adventure story page turner. it aspires to be a cut above by talking about empire and colonialism, but the treatment there is so glib it adds little. i would recommend endurance by alfred lansing before this. good father's day gift if your dad likes master and commander.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodlands by timothy snyder. iirc i picked up this up shortly after the war in ukraine started, as it was regularly recommended to provide context for that. i learned a lot. it is, as they say, a good synthesis of a huge topic (of which ukraine's history is only part). i am not an expert, but i did find myself as little uncomfortable with one of the goals of the book, which is to compare hitler and stalin. that's a worthwhile goal if taken seriously, but in practice it sometimes (not always) ended up feeling he was ranking genocides like nate silver. good father's day book if your dad likes stalingrad.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 19:37 (one year ago) link

Making my way through Penman's Fassbinder book. Lots to like, lots to not like so much.

bain4z, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 20:08 (one year ago) link

I only know the screen version, but, in addition to the treatment of xpost Rosemary by her husband and doctor, who didn't even need to be witting accomplices of the Satanists, just in the classic tradition of husbands & doctors---seeingRosemary's Baby resonated on levels just now surfacing in my mind, re manipulation of the young, with females given their own special treatment, by fancy older people ov huge secret enthusiasms. I'm thinking Cold War etc. incl. what Trump later called the Deep State, although no need (beyond alibis) for that with him; he's his own worst enemy. Also what some post-Boomers now call the Gerontocracy: I've read that by 1972, the average American was 23 years old, herded by marketing studies also, well-developed by then.

dow, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 21:24 (one year ago) link

fancy older people ov huge secret enthusiasms
also incl. Manson and other cult leaders becoming more widely known in late 60s-early 70s, some with their own rumored connections to CIA etc.

dow, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 21:52 (one year ago) link

I finished Grand Hotel, it was really good. It did start out like a carousel of rather unappealing characters but they were all treated sympathetically by Baum and their stories were expertly intertwined. Now on to Memories of the Future by Sigizmund Krzhizhanovsky - I'm so far not finding it quite the winning sibling of kafka and borges that it's trumpeted as. Most of the stories are about literary life - writing, getting published (or not), criticism - and though it's done with a surreal aspect and as a way of criticising soviet repression I'm not really into that kind of ouroborosity. And overall it doesn't have the broad psychological appeal of kafka or borges' pure genius.

ledge, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 08:13 (eleven months ago) link

Yeah I didn't think much of Krzhizhanovsky either. For some reason NYRB classics chose to put five books out by him.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 10:26 (eleven months ago) link

xpost Grand Hotel the movie is good too: Garbo, young Joan Crawford, John Barrymore, Lionel Barrymore, Wallace Beery (as a tycoon, not in a prole role), and a host of Euro-seeming character actors, refreshingly unfamiliar to me.

dow, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 17:05 (eleven months ago) link

Just finished Dr. Wortle's School, the shortest Trollope I've ever read.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 17:11 (eleven months ago) link

Looking forward to reading the new David Grann, but I feel like I need to wait until I have a trip so I can read it as a proper dad airport book.

Recently finished Gogol's Dead Souls, and it's really enjoyable. Sam Bankman-Fried must have taken Chichikov as his model, right?

Here's what I've read so far this year:

Mat Johnson - Pym
Stanislaw Lem - The Futurological Congress
Jonathan Lethem - The Arrest
Hernan Diaz - In the Distance
Katie Kitamura - Intimacies
George Saunders - A Swim in the Pond in the Rain
Adrian Tchaikovsky - Children of Memory
Jordan Castro - The Novelist
Mezz Mezzrow & Bernard Wolfe - Really the Blues
Nikolai Gogol - Dead Souls

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 17:18 (eleven months ago) link

I'm about halfway through the Leena Krohn collection now. It's got a certain rhythm and obscurity that keep me reading.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 20:40 (eleven months ago) link

I finished UP THE JUNCTION. I add that its vignettes could be reassembled in almost any order, and that it contains a series of line drawings by Susan Benson.

I'm reading a literary critical work: WYNDHAM LEWIS & MODERNISM (2004) by an academic critic called A. Gasiorek. It's very sharply written and well informed. Anyone wanting a short introduction to Lewis could start here.

the pinefox, Friday, 12 May 2023 10:17 (eleven months ago) link

Does anyone have any feelings about the best translation of Radetsky March?

I think Michael Hoffman takes quite a lot of liberties with his translation, but he seems to be a pithier writer than the other translator, Joachim Neugroschel.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 12 May 2023 14:32 (eleven months ago) link

Never read Neugroschel's translation of RM but I like some of his other translations.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 12 May 2023 18:49 (eleven months ago) link


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