Bright Remarks and Throwing Shade: What Are You Reading, Summer 2022?

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What are their best books?

dow, Friday, 12 August 2022 02:21 (one year ago) link

I think for Andrew Holleran it’s Dancer From the Dance from 1978, and for Edmund White it’s A Boy’s Own Story from 1982 (the first in a trilogy that included The Beautiful Room Is Empty and The farewell Symphony)

Dan S, Friday, 12 August 2022 02:51 (one year ago) link

they are period pieces, though

Dan S, Friday, 12 August 2022 02:53 (one year ago) link

I started Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, A STUDY IN SCARLET (1887): the first Sherlock Holmes story, in fact a short novel.

A reminder of Dr John Watson's past as a surgeon to the army in the empire; and Holmes also is first encountered at a medical school. In fact for good or ill I've found myself reading this slightly through the lens of the first episode of SHERLOCK, with, yes, Benedict Cumberbatch.

the pinefox, Friday, 12 August 2022 09:33 (one year ago) link

I find the novels generally uncharming and overextended -- it's a shame that Hound of the Baskervilles is so well-known, as the mystery is too obvious and the book as a whole is quite dull. "Sign of Four" is the best -- there's a jaunty penny dreadful vibe and the flashbacks are more fun.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 12 August 2022 09:54 (one year ago) link

(As such Sign of Four kind of works through the lens of Young Sherlock Holmes)

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 12 August 2022 09:55 (one year ago) link

What are their best books?

― dow, Thursday, August 11, 2022 10:21 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I think for Andrew Holleran it’s Dancer From the Dance from 1978, and for Edmund White it’s A Boy’s Own Story from 1982 (the first in a trilogy that included The Beautiful Room Is Empty and The farewell Symphony)

― Dan S, Thursday, August 11, 2022

I've been on a White kick. His memoir about reading is lovely, and his last few novels, though minor, are delights. I'd say start with Our Young Man.

As for Holleran, he wrote a slim novel about melancholy and Washington DC and Henry Adams called Grief; one of the decade's best.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 August 2022 10:01 (one year ago) link

> A reminder of Dr John Watson's past as a surgeon to the army in the empire

afghanistan as well, which suited the tv updating

must've seen a hundred versions of HoftheBs but i still couldn't tell you the reveal. maybe i should read it and it'll finally click.

koogs, Friday, 12 August 2022 10:05 (one year ago) link

Because of its recent mention on ILB I picked up a cheap used copy of Killers of the Flower Moon, David Grann and took it on a camping trip. The slice of history it documents is well worth the telling, especially because the history of native american tribes after the wars of extirpation were over and the remnants of the tribes were swept into reservations has been so thoroughly buried and ignored.

My edition is front-loaded with pages full of ecstatic blurbs from reviewers in a couple dozen USA Sunday newspapers about how "taut" and "suspenseful" the book is, which only confirms how such reviewers hand out superlative praise with wild abandon. The prose is good workmanlike journalistic writing, but nothing amazing.

I'm still reading Eve's Hollywood, but piecemeal. It lends itself to that treatment, because it's just a collection of short vignettes.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 13 August 2022 18:12 (one year ago) link

I finished A STUDY IN SCARLET. The name derives from blood: 'Why shouldn't we use a little art jargon? There's the scarlet thread of murder running through the colourless skein of life, and our duty is to unravel it, and isolate it, and expose every inch of it' (49). Unusually poetic, but oddly inaccurate, as life is not colourless but, most people would say, colourful.

The book is very oddly structured: halfway through it turns from Holmes to a 55-page story, narrated by an omniscient voice (not Dr Watson) with nothing to do with the London events (and often with a prim Victorian style that is, as in the descriptions of the girl Lucy Ferrier, too close to parody), about a feud and murder among Mormons in Utah. This must have seemed very exotic in 1887 (indeed it still does). But it all makes the story rather askew from the Detective Club point of view of being 'fair to the reader', etc - there is no way that a reader could guess at any of this material. There is very little hint even that Holmes has begun to investigate it.

The murderer is taking a righteous revenge for which he has waited many years. It's also absurd, then, that his method is to give his victims a 50/50 chance by giving them a choice of pills, one containing poison, and taking the other himself. Plainly this could completely defeat the project of revenge, except that he believes that the choice of pill is dictated by 'Providence' (p.153).

The earlier pages on the meeting of Holmes and Watson, and the general experience of watching Holmes investigate a crime, are appealing, but past the halfway mark the book's direction is rather unexpected.

the pinefox, Sunday, 14 August 2022 11:47 (one year ago) link

i read study in scarlet at school and i think not since: at the time i too was struck and a bit baffled by the long digression into mormon feuds (not sure i'd even heard of mormons at that point), and also (as a schoolchild interested in chemistry) fascinated that there existed a "great alkali plain", which seemed like too much alkali

mark s, Sunday, 14 August 2022 12:39 (one year ago) link

Maybe life is a colorless skein to the speaker: Holmes, I suspect.

dow, Sunday, 14 August 2022 17:32 (one year ago) link

From Oxford Languages:

skein
/skān/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a length of thread or yarn, loosely coiled and knotted.
a tangled or complicated arrangement, state, or situation.
"the skeins of her long hair"
a flock of wild geese or swans in flight, typically in a V-shaped formation

Can imagine Holmes seeing life this way, and murder as through-line, a purpose for the detective and murderer.

dow, Sunday, 14 August 2022 17:36 (one year ago) link

learn to pronounce!!

mark s, Sunday, 14 August 2022 19:17 (one year ago) link

A Constellation of Vital Phenomena by Anthony Marra (Chechens and also perhaps Russians around the turn of the century; the intersection of globalism, Stalinism, Islam, nationalism, censorship, and perhaps also this artist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Zakharov-Chechenets; just started so perhaps many things; now the scene is a hospital during wartime)

youn, Sunday, 14 August 2022 19:39 (one year ago) link

Oh yeah, reminds me of seeing his latest, Mercury Pictures Presents, about refugees in 1940s Hollywood: local library has it, maybe I'll get it there.

dow, Sunday, 14 August 2022 22:12 (one year ago) link

I'm now reading H.G. Wells, THE INVISIBLE MAN (1897).

Two things strike me. One, the anger of the Invisible Man - a figure who seems to be dangerous not because he has a plan for world domination, just because he's furious with everyone. Two, the rural English setting (lots of Sussex village dialect), so typical of Wells - in that each of the major SF narratives (except Dr Moreau? haven't read that yet) seem to start from such a contented (suburban Surrey in THE WAR OF THE WORLDS), respectable (local worthies in THE TIME MACHINE) or bucolic (Kent countryside in THE FIRST MEN IN THE MOON) English world into which the new technology or nova violently intrudes.

Remarkable career to have produced 5 foundational SF narratives by about 1901 (time travel, alien invasion, space exploration, superpowers, mad scientist experimenting with genetics), then, I believe, largely left SF behind and gone into other literary modes.

the pinefox, Monday, 15 August 2022 08:28 (one year ago) link

A long time ago a cousin brought a vinyl pressing of the infamous War Of The Worlds radio broadcast to my house and told me the blatant lie that Orson Welles was his son. I believed this to be a fact until I was 13. A humiliation I never really fully recovered from! Was just reading his wiki and struck by how shagging around he did for someone who wasn't in the best of health. And his early years were rougher than I expected.

calzino, Monday, 15 August 2022 10:08 (one year ago) link

A bunch of holiday reads.

Lee Child - Tripwire. My second Reacher! It's crap but still.

Harriet Walter - Lady Macbeth. An actor's account of playing the role (alongside Tony Sher). Full of insight.

Edward St. Aubyn - Never Mind/Bad News. The first two Patrick Melrose novels. Literature as revenge? I'd started reading the first before realising these were largely autobiographical. The distilled rage of the first book makes it more effective. The second, a book about the phenomenology of addiction, loses its way a bit.

Ed Guerro - Do The Right Thing. BFI book about the film.

Han Kang - The Vegeterian. This hit me pretty hard. A book about resistance, states of grace. The book it most reminded me of was The Life and Times of Michael K by Coetzee.

Simon Callow - Being An Actor. I sort of expected to hate this. It's full of self-regard (and loathing) but it's hugely insightful in places.

Bohumil Hrabal - I Served the King of England. A garrulous picaresque. Huge fun and increasingly moving. Also, the second book in as many days about decorating women's bodies with flowers (albeit real ones, as compared to the vegeterian, and not exploitative).

Currently reading Cicely Berry's The Actor and the Text and in a weird echo of the pinefox, Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 15 August 2022 21:06 (one year ago) link

Wow, spelt vegetarian wrongly twice there (and missed a capital).

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 15 August 2022 21:08 (one year ago) link

Speaking of weird echoes, I am reading Ingeborg Bachmann’s collected poems and took a photo of one I particularly liked this morning; twelve hours later, an acquaintance whom I follow on Instagram posted that poem along with some others. We don’t talk on a regular basis, and live in completely different areas. Spooky!

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Monday, 15 August 2022 23:36 (one year ago) link

Finished THE INVISIBLE MAN. I might have expected the character's fate to be ingenious and poetically apt, but in fact he just gets beaten up my a mob. The character's level of furious anger is never really explained. Nor does Wells go into the reasons for his seeming turn into madness, as he proclaims a reign of terror in which The Invisible Man will rule.

I think that I might have imagined that this book would contain pathos; that the title character would be a victim - rather as I imagine the Elephant Man to be. But he isn't. He chooses to make himself invisible, then steals from and hurts dozens of people without compunction. At most, I think that Wells implies that invisibility has driven him even madder and angrier than he was before.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 09:42 (one year ago) link

Tété-Michel Kpomassie - An African in Greenland
Elizabeth Taylor - The Soul of Kindness.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 09:54 (one year ago) link

it's years since i read the invisible man (and for some reason i always think it's by stevenson till i'm reminded, perhaps bcz of similarity to jekyll and hyde?) but my takeaway was certainly always that the IM's inevitable isolation was extremely mentally corrosive, and that this quickly overwhelmed the opportunities for petty crime and revenge and whatever -- and that that's the real subject of the story, that the removal by whatever means of any form of companionship is a psychological catastrophe and so there's no likelihood of him becoming a "superman" or whatever

a detail that i always recall is that the shiny bits at the back of a cat's eyes aren't rendered invisible (which is how we can know the cat is also going mad with terror at its new state, bcz the IM can watch its progress)

mark s, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 09:58 (one year ago) link

A long time ago a cousin brought a vinyl pressing of the infamous War Of The Worlds radio broadcast to my house and told me the blatant lie that Orson Welles was his son. I believed this to be a fact until I was 13. A humiliation I never really fully recovered from! Was just reading his wiki and struck by how shagging around he did for someone who wasn't in the best of health. And his early years were rougher than I expected.

― calzino, Monday, 15 August 2022 bookmarkflaglink

Welles really fucked.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 10:23 (one year ago) link

wait was welles the cousin's dad or his son (fibbingly speaking)?

mark s, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 11:02 (one year ago) link

no that Wells beget Welles was the fib! A ridiculous thing to believe. He was a bit of a rudeboy, he goes over to visit Gorky and comes back to England with his gf on his arm.

calzino, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 11:09 (one year ago) link

amazing work all round

mark s, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 11:42 (one year ago) link

Next they'll be telling you that the guy who directed Let it Be was Orson Welles' son.

I haven't read The Invisble Man, but Claude Rains is equally FURIOUS in the James Whale film.

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 12:39 (one year ago) link

Doesn't David Thomson suggest that Welles also sired Peter O'Toole on his teenage ramblings through Ireland?

Sadly just finished Claire-Louise Bennett's CHECKOUT 19 - first book I've read this year which I never wanted to end. I absolutely adored POND a few years ago, but thought it was such a beautifully peculiar one-off that there was little chance of her following it up without diminishing returns. But it's great. Interesting companion to Tove Ditlevsen's COPENHAGEN TRILOGY which I read last month - except in place of Danish tenements, typewriters and tarts, a lot more cheap biros, Marlborough Reds and Brighton guesthouses. Also put me in mind of Kate Briggs' THIS LITTLE ART with its deft, intimate, moving phenomenology of reading and writing.

Have also been reading Joe Moran - his lovely recent books on shyness and failure. I think JM has quietly and diligently turned out to be one of the greatest living English essayists. So many brilliant details in these books - there are a couple of pages in IF YOU SHOULD FAIL where he manages to weave together Johann Cruyff, Virginia Woolf, Huizinga and the Brooklyn Dodgers and somehow manages to be very succinct, modest and wise.

Piedie Gimbel, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 13:10 (one year ago) link

I've started THE PICTURE OF DORIAN GRAY (1890) for the second time. (The first time was merely a false start when I only read a few pages.) Essentially it's in the category of books that I happen to own, and ought to read before buying or even borrowing anything else.

I hadn't realised how epigrammatic it was - just in the way that we know Wilde was - like one of his plays. I had perhaps thought there would be more novelistic narrative business in it; perhaps there will be, I'm still only in chapter two. Perhaps Wilde really cared more for dialogue than narrative and description. I have a sense that aspects of Wilde are apportioned to Basil Hallward and Lord Henry Wooton (not so much to Dorian Gray), ie that they each carry an aspect of their creator.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 15:54 (one year ago) link

Remarkable career to have produced 5 foundational SF narratives by about 1901 (time travel, alien invasion, space exploration, superpowers, mad scientist experimenting with genetics), then, I believe, largely left SF behind and gone into other literary modes.

More recent narratives and modes seem to be about a struggle with nature, that is also about being a part of it, and adaptation, internal and external, to post-apocalyptic circumstances (a slight shift in focus with less forward movement).

youn, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 16:30 (one year ago) link

I was legitimately confused for a few seconds— in the US, at least, when someone writes INVISIBLE MAN, one immediately thinks of Ellison, not Wells. Or at least I do— I have never given HG Wells a single thought until today.

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 16:41 (one year ago) link

He wrote a lot of short stories too; local library has a collection of 50 that I sometimes take off the shelf and read in-house, should just check it out and plow through. Here's a .pdf of "The Land Ironclads," published in 1903, set in a near-future European land war (the Science Fiction Encyclopedia site has an very detailed entry about this subgenre: they knew it was coming). I'm struck now by the persistence of "gun culture" imagery: pastoral manly can-do self-defense, also the sporting aspect, in peacetime, where everybody knows the rules--vs. intrusion of pushbutton warfare, AK-47s and drones---the aging war correspondent here picks up on all of that (btw, something in his tone, though not wet, reminds me that average man lived about 45 years at turn of century) http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0604041h.html

dow, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 17:01 (one year ago) link

*a* very

dow, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 17:02 (one year ago) link

is pinefox going through all of the league of extraordinary gentlemen?

koogs, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 17:04 (one year ago) link

beardsley next

mark s, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 17:10 (one year ago) link

I finished Killers of the Flower Moon and can recommend it purely on the strength of its stunning portrayal of how pervasively racist and corrupt Oklahoma was in the 1920s, which is not to say the rest of the USA was substantially different, only that the book doesn't try to cover the entire nation.

I then read some more of Eve's Hollywood. I'm a third done and she's still telling tales of her teenage life, and as often happens with collections of short pieces published haphazardly over a period of years, the constant return to the same themes and obsessions is becoming repetitive.

Looking for something more substantial, I began The Metaphysical Club, Louis Menand, a history of how the US Civil War catalyzed new intellectual and philosophical approaches to US social problems. It looks to be very interesting. I'll see how that develops.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 17:24 (one year ago) link

I liked Dorian Gray, it can feel a bit flimsy at times but it’s by turns joking and serious, like someone laughing with you and then throwing a drink in your face. Are you reading the unredacted version? I think I’ve only ever read the censored versions.

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 17:27 (one year ago) link

Koogs: yes, I am accidentally rediscovering the fin de siecle.

I have in the past considered reading Aubrey Beardsley's UNDER THE HILL - his one novel I believe.

Gyac: I think the version I am reading is quite scholarly (though merely a Penguin), in that it has endnotes stating where things have been changed from other versions. So quite probably this is an unredacted version.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 17:28 (one year ago) link

quartermaine and nemo and nina harker are the others iirc.

(in fact the point of the books is that they are *entirely* populated with fictional characters. including molesworth and gang as the rolling stones analog)

koogs, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 18:26 (one year ago) link

I have an Olympia Press/Traveller's Companion edition of Under the Hill - says 'completed by John Glassco'?

After the Wells discussion here, it was pleasing to see a copy of The Time Machine, with Wells' name on the cover, turn up in the final episode of Better Call Saul.

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 20:02 (one year ago) link

I had to correct myself when I saw that paperback cos I thought I had it then realised it was a First Men In The Moon apparently from the same series. Bought it in UWO in London Ontario.
Great covers anyway look like pulp sci fi magazine ones.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 02:08 (one year ago) link

The Penguin Book Of The British Short Story, Vol.1 - Edited by Philip Hensher. I enjoyed the second volume of this, which goes from Wodehouse to Zadie Smith (I have no opinion on the compiler as an author), so thought I'd backtrack to the first. REALLY rough start - a Defoe sketch of a ghost story that may be of historical interest but is painfully generic; Swift being his usual "I'm saying one thing but mean the opposite DO YOU SEE" self in an essay that's basically just complaining about a servant; a Henry Fielding story about a woman who is - gasp - A LESBIAN which again is historically interesting, certainly for queer studies, but I'm not going to read a 18th century dude on this topic for fun; Hannah Moore and Mary Lamb competing to see who can be the most saccharine incarnation of old timey gentility (a fruit selling girl abused by her landlady gets saved by a cop's wife and taught Christianity and a small child visits her grandmother on a farm, respectively). Things get better starting with a Thackeray story and from thereon it's mostly reliable big names, but boy did I have to do some skipping to get there.

The compiler's contention that the British short story is "probably the richest, most varied and historically extensive in the world" feels a bit citation needed as well.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 09:21 (one year ago) link

That's an incredible comment, but no surprise coming from Hensher.

Was reading this short yesterday. I've had more luck with Latin America.

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xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 10:38 (one year ago) link

Horacio Quiroga is great. See also Felisberto Hernández.

My Little Red Buchla (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 17 August 2022 10:50 (one year ago) link

Home Eoin O'Broin
left wing politician's argument for social housing. Looking at the effects of a bill passed in the mid 90s taht has had pretty negative consequences in terms of housing. THough presumably at least supposedly done for the common good.
I caught the local launch of this and have meant to read it ever since.
Pretty interesting anyway.

I Am Damo Suzuki Damo Suzuki, Paul Woods
cowritten memoir pf one time Can frontman. I thought this would be more in his voice but has a lot of 3rd person description as well as oral history from those he was around. It also seems to go through Can a lot faster than I was expecting, only has a couple of chapters with him in the band before he leaves with his Jehovah's Witness wife whose religion he soon leaves behind too.
He went on to be a salaryman in a German branch of a Japanese firm for the next two and a half decades which is where i've got to so far.

finished
Mother of Invention Katrine Marcal.
starts off with some decent ideas and refers to some interesting facts but I think is argued poorly and tries to beat one over the head with too many things that are not as fully supported as the author would like. I think there are other books on the subject which argue the points better and I think the author cites them in her bibliography.
I'll look into those cos I would like to have a well argued version of the basic argument. Does seem a little like something that might be seen as white feminism and could be so much more.

Capitalism: A Conversation in Critical Theory Nancy Fraser, Rahel Jaeggi
The 2 authors dialogue about the history and basic principles of Capitalism.
THink I might have done better not to rush read teh last few chapters in order to get book back and borrow more.
Cos i think what I did tale in was pretty worthwhile, think I am going to try to read more by both authors. & have a bibliography to work through.

& borrowed
Valkyrie: The Women of the Viking World Jóhanna Katrín Friðriksdóttir
which I think I got pointed to by tie ins with The Northman some of the research for which was done by the author.
Not really looked into this yet but should be pretty interesting. The role of woman in the Viking world which has recently been shown to have been more ethnically diverse than some would like to see it. & IO think most pre Industrial Revolution societies had a different attitude to the breakdown of gender work divide etc so will be good to see what is said here.

&
God is Red: A Native View of Religion Vine Deloria Jr.,
which looks into Native American understandings of religion etc and was something I heard referred to elsewhere. I think it was in the bibliographies of Thomas King's the Inconvenient Indian and the book on Bordertowns by native American authors i read earlier this year

Stevolende, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 11:03 (one year ago) link

if the defoe is "the apparition of mrs veal", it's also often cited as a precursor to the modern ghost story (not at all the same thing of course as the modern short story): as always with defoe -- who was a professional journalist at a fast-evolving highly conflicted time -- you have to be careful what's intended as fact, what's fable, what's grift and what's crusade (some of his writing is literally all four at once lol, and the ghost stories are i think generally categorised as "true", in the sense that defoe was inventing the weekly world news here rather than tales from the crypt

i checked why hensher is deplored on ilx (mid-level not-great novelist who writes amusingly rude reviews that ppl often don't agree with?) and i can't tell from daniel's summary what his stance as editor is on when the "short story" per se arrived as we understand it (mid-19th century makes sense, it's a product of a specific kind of magazine ecology) and what its actual relationship is to its precursors -- the examples listed are all in a sense of a kind of precursor of course, in that post-arrival the short story presumably picked up some of the readers who'd favoured one of the precursors, but they're also all performing a very different function for an identifiably different primary readership (different from the "short story" but also different from one another), and almost all also flourished before the novel proper (aka the "long story" haha) has settled into an agreed-on role

mark s, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 12:47 (one year ago) link

I met Hensher once. As far as I recall he was not especially pleasant or polite. But that is of no course no comment on his fiction.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 14:57 (one year ago) link

"i checked why hensher is deplored on ilx (mid-level not-great novelist who writes amusingly rude reviews that ppl often don't agree with?)"

He is a South London local, see him now and then and will be sure to pass this on.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 15:11 (one year ago) link


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