Bonfires In The Sky: What Are You Reading, Winter 2021-22?

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To what does James Redd's video refer?

Plax: I forgot to mention Rooney's boycott decision. Personally I thought it admirably brave, as such decisions tend to bring massive opprobrium and abuse - perhaps even physical danger - and could well damage her income and other concrete aspects of her career.

the pinefox, Saturday, 5 March 2022 23:34 (two years ago) link

To Eleanor Bron saying “I can say no more” over and over again in Help! which is quoted in the lyric of that song. Sorry, I’m as the 12ft Lizards made me.

Gary Gets His Tonsure Out (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 5 March 2022 23:39 (two years ago) link

Read a short pamphlet containing a previously unpublished poem by Jean Daive, translated by Miri Davidson. Continuing with Killian's "Little Men," and a friend also sent me the PDF of Guyotat's "Eden Eden Eden," which is certainly the most vile book I've ever read in my life, and I'm only 15 or so pages in.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Sunday, 6 March 2022 14:55 (two years ago) link

I think what's moving and motivating about the poverty in Rooney is that it is tied to a disappearing way of life that makes sense in and of itself but is displaced and out of time. WHen this comes up in Western European contexts (Ireland, France) I think of Korea before and after the war (as an outsider). I think this is what it is appealing at the end of Clem's story in Crossroads (however unfamiliar the story may be to the people of Central and South America). This is in contrast to the frustrating state of poverty as depicted in the United States now. I apologize for anything insensitive and wrong in this post.

youn, Sunday, 6 March 2022 16:30 (two years ago) link

I think part of it is no one else is that much better off and the other part is that you accept and resign yourself to certain kinds of hardship but not others.

youn, Sunday, 6 March 2022 16:32 (two years ago) link

Read the start of
Brian Klaas Corruptible
investigation into what factors determine corruptibility after having heardMueller she Write go over the book in their book club and am currently listening to the last episode of that where the author is being interviewed by the host AG.
Very interesting but realised I might as well try to finish

Why Are All The Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria by Beverley Daniel Tatum
which is about factors determining person undrstandings of race focusing on young people.
& is pretty good.
I should be concentrating on getting t finsihed but got the Corruptible from the library yesterday. & slept badly last night.
Anyway it is pretty interesting. Did have me wondering if i had somehow read an earlier version since I think I was recognising some of it and it does date back to an earlier version being published in the late 90s. This version is the 2017 update though. which is pretty thorough.
I like it when I can concentrate on it anyway.

Stevolende, Sunday, 6 March 2022 16:34 (two years ago) link

I love the Lydia Davis "translation" of Bob, Son of Battle -- I'll have to seek out that essay about its translation.

Recently read Marie Darrieussecq's Being Here is Everything: The Life of Paula Modersohn-Becker. This great Dodie Bellamy essay about the book inspired me to read it: https://lithub.com/on-finding-the-book-rhat-returns-you-to-your-body/.

Currently reading Andrei Bely's Petersburg, which has been on my library "to read" queue forever. Just inching through it so far, loving the texture of the prose. The dated and snarky 1970s annotations in this edition are (just slightly) diminishing my enjoyment -- it's funny how that can alter a reading experience. (the fact of Russia's ubiquity in currents events water cooler discourse is an odd coincidence ~ perhaps seems a little on-the-nose to read a serious-looking Russian tome in the break room or on the bus these days...)

zak m, Sunday, 6 March 2022 21:29 (two years ago) link

I'm feeling that about Stalingrad. chapter 22 and Russia has just been forced into ww2 by surprise German attacks and there are lines and lines of displaced people.

koogs, Sunday, 6 March 2022 23:07 (two years ago) link

Read my first Lauren Groff story recently: seemed unusual, good, and unusually good for The New Yorker. How are her books?

dow, Monday, 7 March 2022 18:22 (two years ago) link

Some elements could have been fabulistic, but were realistic, though not on the nose. Leading characters v. practical, even acute, in some ways, other ways not so much: relatable.

dow, Monday, 7 March 2022 18:25 (two years ago) link

i liked the two i've read. fates and furies is well done conventional bourgeois lit fic (actually deserves some of the criticism table imagines sally rooney deserves, but i think it's fine). the matrix is brilliant but a bit of an outlier. i liked this line from https://dirt.substack.com/p/dirt-nuns-having-fun: "A bildungsroman tracking Marie’s entire life, Groff’s novel is somehow a mixture of slice-of-life anime, tower defense game, and home decorating / farming sim."

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 7 March 2022 18:28 (two years ago) link

The stories in Florida were fine, don't remember a thing about them.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 March 2022 18:46 (two years ago) link

Do y'all get down with Kelly Link?

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Monday, 7 March 2022 19:03 (two years ago) link

Love Kelly Link: she's such a punk.
fine, but I don't remember anything about them.
Reminds me of Frank Kogan's high school yearbook caption:

The What Thing is how you feel when you feel fine...
"How are you?"..."Fine."

dow, Monday, 7 March 2022 19:06 (two years ago) link

Students are always either turned off completely or totally enraptured by her writing when I teach her...I often do "Stone Animals" the same week I do Cheever's "The Swimmer" :-)

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Monday, 7 March 2022 19:35 (two years ago) link

Never read "Stone Animals," doing so now

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 March 2022 19:40 (two years ago) link

Greatly enjoyedGet In Trouble, and some subsequent magazine and anthology stories that I don't think have been in a Link collection yet.

dow, Monday, 7 March 2022 20:23 (two years ago) link

From what I have heard about Kelly Link, I would like to read her. Really should have got round to it by now.

the pinefox, Monday, 7 March 2022 22:08 (two years ago) link

I love "Stone Animals" so much, Alfred. I wonder what you'll think.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Monday, 7 March 2022 22:30 (two years ago) link

Did ms Link use to publish stories a lot in ... INTERZONE? and similar magazines?

the pinefox, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 11:49 (two years ago) link

I believe so, pinefox.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 16:07 (two years ago) link

i stumbled across this interview with an artist i'm not familiar with at all, bonnie crawford, and ended up really enjoying it.

https://bmoreart.com/2022/03/art-and-bonnie-crawford.html

as always i need something to read on screen at work but am having trouble pulling the trigger on kindle purchases.

Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:31 (two years ago) link

Spoiler tagging this even though I’m sure only Oscar bravo was interested lol

Again, Rachel - Marian Keyes

Rachel’s Holiday is one of those books for me. I’ve read it multiple times over the years. Like a lot of people, I understand the background of the book a little too well; both for myself and in my family.

It’s always interesting when an author does a sequel this long after the original. You always wonder “where could the story go?” Rachel’s Holiday ends with Rachel clean, and reconciling with Luke in a happy ending. If you know there’s a sequel, you know that sequels are never about “…so they continued living happily…”, and this one is very painful to read at times.

A favourite thing Keyes does is to reveal the key events of a story in shreds and pieces, like opening a parcel one tear at a time. This is partly to illustrate the concept of denial - addicts will hide the truth from themselves - and for story considerations ofc. So we find out, revealed to us as the background gets painted in, that Luke and Rachel did marry, and they did live happily ever after. And then, like many other couples, they had a baby, and the baby died.

And then, inevitably, Rachel relapses.

It’s a lot.

Rachel in the present is head counsellor at the Cloisters, the rehab facility where she stayed in Rachel’s Holiday. She still attends meetings, she lives with her sister Claire’s daughter (who in 2018 Ireland has been forced out of Dublin due to a crushing commute), and all the old characters from the previous Walsh books are here: Claire, Anna, the parents, Margaret and my favourite Helen (😍).

A disturbance at the door heralded the arrival of Helen, in a dark form-fitting tracksuit, her hair up in a high pony. ‘You look like an assassin!’ Mum was all admiration. ‘Fecken wish I was.’ Helen scanned the room and focused on me. ‘You, girl! Report on Luke Costello. How was his crotch?’ ‘It was his mother’s funeral,’ Mum said, her tone sharp. ‘Have some respect.’

Adore her!

Anyway, the past unspools as it does and it’s all laid out. No dark thought unspared. I found, as I have before, the level of personal understanding (Keyes herself is an alcoholic, and I use the present tense as she correctly says that it’s something that never leaves you).

I enjoyed this sequel very much, it’s a difficult game to follow something as great as Rachel’s Holiday but I’m extremely glad she did.

mardheamac (gyac), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:51 (two years ago) link

Oh ok, ballsed that up ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

mardheamac (gyac), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:51 (two years ago) link

I keep reading Robert Welch's THE ABBEY THEATRE. In recording the constant controversies, it's noticeably pro-W.B. Yeats - to a fault, I'd guess. I can't help thinking that the Fays - William and Frank - who were true theatre people, actors, directors et al, get a raw deal in Abbey histories. Having made the whole thing work, it seems that they were forced out, by about 1910.

I started thinking about Lady Gregory also and thinking eg: how old she must have been by this time - well, eg: over 50 by the time the Abbey opened on Abbey Street - and how being that old, back then, must have been wearisome and tiring. Crikey, it's hard enough now. I also can't help feeling that Gregory somehow gets sexist, slighting treatment, being a woman in her position, as a male (Lord Gregory?!) would not ... Or maybe I'm wrong; Edward Martyn is never treated with much respect by historians after all.

It all leads back to George Moore, who, as noted before, I need to read.

BTW also on the 'possibly sexist history' front, Annie Horniman is always rather ridiculed by historians of this stuff, but she put up the money to make it happen, and wrote most of it off ... Maybe if you could hear it from her side, it would look different. She was of the family that made the celebrated Horniman Museum, and she is celebrated in the nearby Wetherspoon pub (apologies if mention of that chain causes offence) in this connexion - there is, I believe, a picture of Yeats on the wall to this effect.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 21:54 (two years ago) link

thx for that gyac. v reassuring as I was unsure about her revisiting characters after so long, and wasn't sure how okay I would be for things getting really bad for Rachel esp. as Keyes never sugarcoats the bad although she also doesn' t glory in it either.
Is Helen the P.I.? If so, yes she is ace. Eager to read this now.

oscar bravo, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 22:17 (two years ago) link

Yes she is! I would love to know what you think. And yes, agree the lack of sugar coating is a real strength. It’s very matter of fact.

mardheamac (gyac), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 22:39 (two years ago) link

I finished Killian's 'Little Men,' a real delight. Ramping up for some re-reads for lesson planning, but might take a night to look at something new.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:29 (two years ago) link

I love "Stone Animals" so much, Alfred. I wonder what you'll think.

― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table),

Weird and wonderful. Read it in one sitting.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:30 (two years ago) link

RV Raman, A Will To Kill - Indian mystery novel that is rather shoddily written, a lot of noun verbed adverbially. A page on the Nilgiri Mountain railways train reads like a tourist brochure - we are told the railways are a UNESCO World Heritage Site, that the train is "much acclaimed" and, twice, that it looks like a toy train.

Nevertheless - I'm having fun! It's an old fashioned murder mystery with a far flung mansion and multiple wills and family intrigue.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 17:51 (two years ago) link

I'm glad, Alfred. I love the paint swatch names best, it's a lovely device.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:25 (two years ago) link

Finished Jerusalem, all 1174 pages of it. Some voices work better than others, and some sections are somewhat tedious (the afterword with a character looking through a gallery of scenes from the book really feels like something that'd work better in a comic), but there's also some cracking stuff, between the second half entirely dedicated to a group of ghost urchins having time travel adventures, the play featuring a dialogue between the ghosts of John Bunyan, Samuel Beckett, John Clare and Thomas Beckett, the old man and baby travelling to the end of time and the stream of consciousness chapter from the pov of a new labour councillor. Besides Moore's usual mystic notions of time and space, what really comes through is the working class rage.

Speaking of which, since I need a new doorstop for in bed reading, I'm now moving on to E.P. Thompson's The Making Of The English Working Class.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 10 March 2022 10:20 (two years ago) link

Toni Morrison The Bluest Eye
I seem to have picked up the bulk of her work from charity shops over the last 6 months and not taken the time to read it. I listened to a couple of webinars and podcasts where this book was talked about and the effect it had on black women readers re their understanding of their own identities shaped by understandings they got from it. Which prompted me to start reading it. Now got it as my bog book. Which means I don't give it the concentrated reading periods that it may lure one into. It is pretty delicious prose.
I think this will prompt me to try to get through the rest of what I have soon after too.
Plus i need to get down and read Angela Davis's Autobiography which she edited. Have seen taht there is a new edition of that work being released which had a Guardian interview tied into it
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/05/angela-davis-on-the-power-of-protest-we-cant-do-anything-without-optimism

Brian Klaas Corruptible.
I listened through a MSW book club series on this and caught a live webinar with the author before i realised he was one of teh writers of How To Rig An Election which I reada few months ago. Or at least somehow missed it was teh same authorl
I'm finding it an interesting read, though am noticing him citing Jared Diamond at one point which has me wondering if taht is a negative sign. Since this does seem to resonate as right for the most part.
Looking at corruption, who is likely to be affected by it, be prone to it and how much it can be replicated by and through systems etc.
Quite readable and I'm enjoying it.

Beverly Daniel Tatum Why Are All The Black Kids sitting together in the Cafeteria?
Book on personal identity and how it pertains to race etc. What factors go into defining it. Focus largely on high school ages children and college students though more widespread.
I found it pretty interesting. Probably should have read the earlier version of it if i didn't. & did find some of this rang a bell, buit since it was originally released in 1997 it may have permeated other work by influence etc.
Massive bibliography which I hope i get a chance to look further into.

Stevolende, Thursday, 10 March 2022 12:56 (two years ago) link

I finished the Algerian War history. The white minority in Algeria was easily as racist and violent as the white Rhodesians and South Africans. I hadn't understood just how often the French military had tried to overthrow the French government, just to protect those fuckers from giving up a single privilege or granting any agency to the Muslim population.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 10 March 2022 17:45 (two years ago) link

When not working, I continue to read Welch's history of the Abbey Theatre, for fun and enlightenment. It has now reached about 1924, and passed Sean O'Casey's first Abbey production THE SHADOW OF A GUNMAN.

It was, I think, a small theatre back then, unlike the Abbey now. And it seems to have been a chaotic history - drunken managers being hired and fired; actors, from a certain point, doing their own thing; Yeats and Gregory maintaining a vast majority of shares despite not really having been theatre people (until they decided to become such people).

The book gives the stories or scenarios of a lot of now forgotten plays. Some could be interesting to discover and read now.

the pinefox, Friday, 11 March 2022 08:46 (two years ago) link

Last night I started reading The Parable of the Sower, Octavia Butler. I have to keep reminding myself that, however much she is employing the tools and methods of the novel, she is developing the story as a parable, which plays by a different set of rules. It's just that the traditional parable is about the length and complexity of one of Aesop's fables or a Grimms folk tale.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 11 March 2022 17:36 (two years ago) link

pinefox, you're reminding me that I long ago tried to read a collection of Yeats plays, ten of them, I think. Very rich veins of lyrical imagery, levels and textures, but/and somehow my mind resisted, and after rechecking it from library several times, I finally gave up, regretfully. Could have had something to do with his lack of experience in theater vs. my experience as an actor, that I couldn't imagine them in performance, but dunno.

dow, Friday, 11 March 2022 18:22 (two years ago) link

Start with The Words Upon the Windowpane: short and in prose.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 March 2022 18:26 (two years ago) link

Italo Calvino - The Watcher and Other Stories
Garrett M. Graff - Watergate: A New History

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 March 2022 18:27 (two years ago) link

I finished "Left Hand of Darkness" by Ursula LeGuin. Its probably just as well that I never read this when I went through my classic sci-fi fandom phase, because I think a lot of it would have gone over my head. Its got pretty much everything one could ask for in a sci-fi tale: world-building, imaginative extrapolation from existing science and tech, good old-fashioned adventure and suspense, and best of all, it reflects our own society back to us from a perspective that makes it seem momentarily arbitrary and strange. Now I'm reading "The Postman Always Rings Twice" by James M. Cain.

o. nate, Friday, 11 March 2022 21:28 (two years ago) link

Now I'm reading "The Postman Always Rings Twice" by James M. Cain.

real sci-fi

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 March 2022 21:35 (two years ago) link

If by sci fi you mean a cheerfully amoral noir thrill ride.

o. nate, Friday, 11 March 2022 21:42 (two years ago) link

How Should A Person Be? by Sheila Heti

youn, Friday, 11 March 2022 22:35 (two years ago) link

Please report back on that; have read some very whack takes, pos and neg.
The Postman Always Rings Twice's narrating narcissist scarred me, like nothing 'til I went around with Mr. Ripley.

dow, Saturday, 12 March 2022 01:38 (two years ago) link

Skimming DO ANDROIDS DREAM OF ELECTRIC SHEEP? (1968). Skimming naturally, gradually leads me back into properly 'rereading'.

I still can't quite tell how far this is a good novel or a bad novel that had influential ideas. It's easy to say it's the latter, but I don't think it's as simple as that. I think there might possibly be a 'good novel' element also. But then again the info-dumping via the protagonist 'recalling' or 'reflecting' aspects of his reality, and conversations with others about their intellectual implications, still does seem awkward to me.

Maybe a reason that this novel has long stood out amid PKD's oeuvre is that it contains multiple key ideas, not just one: 1) replicants, or rather 'andies'; 2) 'chickenheads', people affected by radiation (as far as I recall); 3) the animal theme -- plus the police procedural and action aspect.

It's not very often mentioned that it has an epigraph from W.B. Yeats.

the pinefox, Saturday, 12 March 2022 10:59 (two years ago) link

Vron Ware Beyond The Pale
A very early book that would now be among the White Feminist titles. Looking at racism in the history of the power or recognition struggle for female emancipation and how it did the opposite of allying with racial emancipation way to frequently. Ware talks about ho wone of the early American feminists came out pro lynching in the introduction. I haven't got very far with this so far since I only got it yesterday.
I see taht the author is or was married to Paul Gilroy too.
This came out in 1990 and is currently published by verso books. I think it has been pretty influential I'm seeing it cited in a few places. Foreword by the author of Hood Feminism

Stevolende, Saturday, 12 March 2022 11:55 (two years ago) link

Received Denise Riley's latest book of poems in the mail, spending the rainy weekend with her.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Saturday, 12 March 2022 13:02 (two years ago) link

Interesting Riley, a bit uneven but I kind of like it? My friend and I were discussing how it's hard sometimes to suss out her tone, especially in this latest book, but the chatty erudite language jokes being beside rending accounts of childhood abuse actually work.

Anyway, onto Perse's "Anabasis," a book/poem I'd never heard of until recently. Half-way through and I'm a little puzzled, slightly uneasy, but admiring some of the lines.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Sunday, 13 March 2022 19:12 (two years ago) link

Given what's happening elsewhere I'll flag up my gentle dig in the ribs... Trigger: semi-canonical dead white male poet alert!

I'm reading Edward Thomas' The South Country. I feel like I know more about Thomas than I do his work: his battles with depression, his compulsive walking and note-taking, the friendship with Robert Frost and spurred on by Frost's enthusiasm, his turn to poetry late in life, death at Arras two months after signing up. But I've also come to him with a *sense* of what I was getting. He's more the mystic nature writer than the systematiser and collector; more Richard Jefferies than Gilbert White.

Thomas is a jobbing (but respected) literary critic and has written numerous books and monographs. He writes to keep himself and his family alive, essentially. The South Country comes out in 1908 - a good 6 years before he begins to produce poetry - and is written quickly, cobbled together from notebooks. It's a series of sense impressions of Sussex, Hampshire, Dorset and Wiltshire (and, confusingly, Cornwall and Suffolk) and does feel rushed and disjointed but there is a joy in the rush of sensory language. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was influenced heavily by Manley Hopkins but of course, Hopkins wasn't really available in any complete way until after Thomas was dead. He has Hopkins' way with tumbling stress and sprung rhythm; his spray of alliteration and repetition. There is a Shakespearean flavour to a lot of what Thomas does, too - particularly the sense of the "poet's eye, in fine frenzy rolling", the move from the particular to the metaphysical. It's probably fair to say the whole thing doesn't really hang together but at a sentence level, he's kind of astonishing - and it's no wonder Frost nudged him towards poetry, as Thomas has an innate sense of rhythm and a deep auditory imagination. I suspect I'll tire of the style over a book's length but it's pretty captivating all the same and there's something about knowing well some of the places he describes.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Sunday, 13 March 2022 20:04 (two years ago) link

Wow, v. appealing, thanks. his compulsive walking and note-taking My man!
Hopkins wasn't really available in any complete way Still isn't, in an affordable way---although if anybody knows of US-feasible exceptions, please advise, thx.

dow, Sunday, 13 March 2022 20:18 (two years ago) link


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