Resurrection: The 2006 Poetry Thread

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Jacob and the Angel


The chandelier of stars
hung low above the field
when the angel closed on him.
He could not pry
porphyritic fingers
from his thigh,
nor break the granite hold.
Stone has no heart for pity.
He was lamed before night's end,
named before dawn;
shriven, driven, broken, repaired.
The angel could have gone on and on.
God asks much for little,
little for much.
We who have no choice must choose:
to win, to lose,
to wrestle with angels.

--Jane Yolen

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

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tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

The quality of the poetry in spam is sometimes disheartening.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Sometimes I think they're not even half-trying.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, and yet they're so much better than what passes for poetry!

That one, though, is really exceptional. Hm.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 23 March 2006 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Death Bed"

All the time they were praying
He watched the shadow of a tree
Flicker on the wall.

There is no need of prayer,
He said,
No need at all.

The kin-folk thought it strange
That he should ask them from a dying bed.
But they left all in a row
And it seemed to ease him
To see them go.

There were some who kept on praying
In a room across the hall
And some who listened to the breeze
That made the shadows waver
On the wall.

He tried his nerve
On a song he knew
And made an empty note
That might have come,
From a bird's harsh throat.

And all the time it worried him
That they were in there praying
And all the time he wondered
What it was they could be saying.

--Waring Cuney

j c (j c), Sunday, 26 March 2006 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

That saves me the trouble of hunting down this thread:

54.

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              cham

[David Melnick, from PCOET]

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 26 March 2006 03:57 (eighteen years ago) link

it's, um, categorised (maybe i should finish that job) under Hardy Perennials > The Poetry Thread.

tom west (thomp), Sunday, 26 March 2006 12:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I suspected it was. Perhaps you don't appreciate how profoundly lazy I am...

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 26 March 2006 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I had a dream that Archel was giving a poetry reading near where I lived (in the dream) and I didn't manage to get there for the usual crappy dream reasons, such as men digging up the road. This not gettting there thing was a DISASTER and cause me much distress (in the dream).

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 27 March 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha! I like the parentheses - the idea of missing me reading would of course not cause you any distress in REAL life ;)

Archel (Archel), Monday, 27 March 2006 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

R.I.P. Ian Hamilton Finlay.

I didn't even realize he was still alive. Oh well.

http://static.flickr.com/53/119009857_fbce943275.jpg

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Sam Hamill is reading in my town tomorrow night. I knew nothing about his work, until today. I found some:

Wanting one good organic line
I wrote a thousand sonnets

Wanting a little peace,
I folded a thousand cranes.

Every discipline a new evasion;
every crane a dodge:

Basho didn't know a thing about water
until he heard the frog.


Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

[psst - it's National Poetry Month in the US. Take your favorite poem to lunch and give it a Hallmark card.]

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 6 April 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The Sceptic

My Father Christmas passed away
When I was barely seven.
At twenty-one, alack-a-day,
I lost my hope of heaven.

Yet not in either lies the curse:
The hell of it's because
I don't know which loss hurts the worse -
My God or Santa Claus.

- Robert Service -

(just to show another side of him than Sam McGee and Dan McGrew)

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

On the horizon the peaks assembled;
And as I looked,
The march of the mountains began.
As they marched, they sang:
"Aye! We come! We come!"

-- Stephen Crane (poem 37, from The Black Riders)


The Holy Time

(1)

Like timid girls the shades are pacing down
The slopes of evening, trailing soberly
Their vestments grey:

Far, far away,
The last, red tinge
Is fading into brown;

So far!
So faint!
Seen but surmisingly!

And now the dusk of evening draws upon
That memory of light,
And light is gone!

(2)

The bee
Speeds
Home!

The beetle's
Wing of horn
Is booming by!

The darkness,
Every side,
Gathers around

On air,
And sky,
And ground!

The trees
Sing in the darkness,
Far and wide,

In cadenced lift of leaves,
A tale of morn!
And the moon's circle,

Silver-faint, and thin,
Birds lovely on the earth:
- There is no sin!


-- James Stephens

Note: Please try to overlook the overpunctuation of this poem, especially (!) the many (!) exclamation (!) marks! Ignoring these improves this poem immensely.

The Emancipators

When you ground the lenses and the moons swam free
From that great wanderer; when the apple shone
Like a sea-shell through your prism, voyager;
When, dancing in pure flame, the Roman mercy,
Your doctrines blew like ashes from your bones;

Did you think, for an instant, past the numerals
Jellied in Latin like bacteria in broth,
Snatched for by holy Europe like a sign?
Past somber tables inched out with the lives
Forgotten or clapped for by the wigged Societies?

You guessed this? The earth's face altering with iron,
The smoke ranged like a wall against the day?
- The equations metamorphose into use: the free
Drag their slight bones from tenements to vote
To die with their children in your factories.

Man is born in chains, and everywhere we see him dead.
On your earth they sell nothing but our lives.
You knew that what you died for was our deaths?
You learned, those years, that what men wish is Trade?
It was you who understood; it is we who change.


-- Randall Jarrell

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Aimless, if you come to my reading (as part of Poetland on Saturday), Jaq might be there. But what I read will probably not be as good as what I read last time, so it's not as obligatory. Although maybe it WILL be as good and I am trying to lower expectations. We'll see!

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmmm. This is the publicity on the Powell's Books web site:

"April 15, 2:30 pm. Experience Poetland — an experiment in poetic energy, featuring ten readings of ten poets. Arlo Voorhees presides over Brittany Bladwin, John Hogl, Lisa Steinman, Pat Hathaway, Jim Shugrue, Hazel Dodge, Geraldine Foote, Jeffrey Bershaw, and Tom Blood."

Are you a last minute stand-in, or have you changed your performing name to Tom Blood -- for artistic purposes, of course?

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Poetland is 80 poets in 8 venues over 8 hours. Powells is but one of them. Full schedule is available at wordstock.org or here.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I was hoping you would swagger up to the podium with a bandana swathing your head, saying,"Yaaarr! Me name's Tom Blood and if it's poetry yer wanting, I be yer man."

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 13 April 2006 02:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone have anything to say about the poets who will be readers at the Third Annual Sarah Lawrence Poetry Festival? Thank you.

youn, Monday, 17 April 2006 00:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey dude--thought I'd bust in on your home turf! Your reading sounds interesting...

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Anyways: Sarah Lawrence! I don't want to blab on too much, but some categories?

Famous old people of varying degrees of experimentalness: Eleanor Wilner, Gerald Stern, Marie Ponsot, Frank Bidart, Jean Valentine (http://www.jeanvalentine.com/poems.html).

Young Famouse semi-avants: Claudia Rankin, Martha Rhodes.

I don't know the other people as well. I'd say the best way is to just google or look at the Amazon "Look Inside" for these people and see who you'd like. If I were going, I'd check out Bidard, Valentine, and Rankin.

kenchen, Monday, 17 April 2006 03:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I've heard of Gerald Stern and Frank Bidart, but I don't actually have any associations with them, mentally. I don't really know anyone on that list.

My reading went well. Or, at least, I think it did. I don't know if it was as shall-we-say "magical" as January's reading was but it was somewhat difficult and somewhat accessible material read very, very fast that people were able to get things out of. People seemed to especially like my emceeing, which is really what I'm known for. There was something of a fight at the end of the part I emceed, which was awkward and kinda fun and kinda not at all. It was "memorable".

In all, a reminder that I really have no clue what most people are thinking of when they talk about "poetry".

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Glad your reading went well, Chris.
But a fight? Fisticuffs? Bard-Brawling? That's too much to hope for, I guess. Can you fill us in?

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 17 April 2006 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Sounds like we left too soon! There did seem to be warring poetry camps, or bands, or tribes (the "clap at every opportunity for our krewe" vs. "clap upon poet completion" being but one).

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

No, just a guy (an older guy, who has been doing poetry in Portland "for 40 years" as he reminded us) who felt perhaps that he had been plunked in with "the younger generation" as a sort of prank against him, and who was adamant that there be "more dialogue" between the audience and the poets, that this is after all "about communication". He was scheduled to be the last reader. The woman who read before him was reading her last poem and he interrupted her (he'd been interrupting more and more as the night went on) and asked her to explain something about her poem, and not only wouldn't stop talking to let her read the poem, but wouldn't stop talking to let her explain. He then spent most of his set harranguing the audience for being "wretchedly passive" and said that "art for art's sake is bullshit" but all at the same time getting into the female poets' who had already read personal space and complimenting their eyes and so forth. It was not a matter of "you guys are all assholes" but rather "you are all so bright but so misguided, let me show you the light!"

His poetry, to my mind, left something to be desired, perhaps because he thought that communication happened outside the space of the poem, or that a poem was something that one should be able to respond to immediately, intelligibly, and without your interruption doing damage to its sense or effect.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 April 2006 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Sounds like he'd had a few stiff gin and tonics.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 17 April 2006 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

And an overdose of dogmatism.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 17 April 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Might have been the Charles Shaw and cookies. Sounds like we might have left at just the right point then. I'm not much for folks who turn readings into their own private q&a inquisitions.

I have to say Chris that your emceeing was delightful, as were your 125 poems read with astonishing speed and dexterity. Also, thank you for putting us on to Lindsay Hill.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 17 April 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the Chuck Shaw was gone by the time he arrived.

Yeah, I meant to post some of Lindsay's book here, but it was late. If there was a part you liked, feel free to post it...

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 April 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I will. I'm carrying several bits of it around with me today: depression being room temperature, and the sound of wallpaper being ripped from behind, and doors that when open hide the things behind.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 17 April 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

So great is your fame that your reading made it into the Oregonian newspaper today, Monday, April 17 - on page D8, in an article headlined Eighty readers make event a 'poet crawl' and bylined by J. David Santen, Jr.

Here I was able to read that The Poet Known to ILB as Casuistry...


"...began the 5 p.m. session at New American Art Union gallery, a block from East Burnside in inner Southeast. His piece compiled 125 poems, each five words long. No. 41: "Now now now no now" [others presented greater transcription challenges]."

Thus endeth the lesson. Sorry I wasn't able to make it.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 17 April 2006 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, thank you. I knew the reporter was there, and I was waiting to see if he was going to write about it, but hadn't searched yet today.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link

haha, wow. is there a recording of that?

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Unless someone was very stealthily bootlegging it, no.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 23:55 (eighteen years ago) link

O.

do you have it written down?

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't have all 125 poems memorized, if that's what you mean. I wrote them in 1997 (gasp). This was the first time I read all of them in one go.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link

ysi?

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 09:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I was thinking I might write a poetry.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 09:29 (eighteen years ago) link

i just wanted to let you all know that i love these threads--i'm not super knowledgable about poetry, but it's very cool to log on every few weeks and read all the interesting/beautiful/whatever poems everyone has posted... with that said:

"The Light Above Cities"

Sitting in darkness,
I see how the light of the city
fills the clouds, rosewater light
poured into the sky
like the single body we are. It is the sum
of a million lives; a man drinking beer
beneath a light bulb, a dancer spinning
in a fluorescent room, a girl reading a book
beneath a lamp.

Yet there are others—astronomers,
thieves, lovers—whose work is only done
in darkness. Sometimes
I don't want to show these poems
to anyone, sometimes
I want to remain hidden, deep in the coals
with the one who pulls the stars
through a telescope's glass, the one who listens
for the click of the lock, the one
who kisses softly a woman's eyes.

--Jay Leeming

j c (j c), Saturday, 22 April 2006 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

my copy of 'from the other side of the century' finally arrived. sadly it was too massive to bring back from my two days up at college, so it might have to wait, a while.

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 22 April 2006 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link

A poem in answer to a poet who said: I really have no clue what most people are thinking of when they talk about "poetry".

For some folks "poetry" might mean words
that rise up corbelled and corniced,
elaborately carven as Corinthian capitols,
a sort of awful edifice of frozen music
or the death mask of a majestic thought.

For others "poetry" might mean words
that fall all pat and neatly done
patterned in rows as do the pleats
in a schoolgirl uniform's skirt,
which repeat, repeat and repeat.

For others "poetry" might mean words
dark, static, stark and few,
croaks, barks and stutters, bitter as gall;
not dead (you understand) because still jerking,
and yet too dry and hard to have much life.

With the best luck "poetry" means words
that turn and turn and turn about again,
continuing to describe a shape
the mind and lips and heart accept
as easily as leaves drink of the sun.

-- Aimless

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Anything Is Beautiful If You Say It Is

Under the eglantine
The fretful concubine
Said, "Phooey! Phoo!"
She whispered, "Pfui!"

The demi-monde
On the mezzanine
Said, Phooey!" too,
And a "Hey-de-i-do!"

The bee may have all sweet
For his honey-hive-o,
From the eglantine-o.

And the chandeliers are neat...
But their mignon, marblish glare!
We are cold, the parrots cried,
In a place so debonair.

The Johannisberger, Hans.
I love the metal grapes,
The rusty, battered shapes
Of the pears and of the cheese

And the window's lemon light,
The very will of the nerves,
The crack across the pane,
The dirt along the sill.

-- Wallace Stevens (The Cat With the Mouse's Tail Between His Lips)

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 27 April 2006 00:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I prefer you to Stevens, Aimless :)

Although 'the window's lemon light' wow.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 27 April 2006 08:14 (eighteen years ago) link

It is probably more a matter of your affinity than of my merit, but thank you. You've brightened my day.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 27 April 2006 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link

"Fado Singer" (for Amália Rodrigues)

My skin is pemiced to fault
I am down to hair-roots, down to fibre filters
Of the raw tobacco nerve

Your net is spun of sitar strings
To hold the griefs of gods: I wander long
In tear vaults of the sublime

Queen of night torments, you strain
Sutures of song to bear imposition of the rites
Of living and of death. You

Pluck strange dirges from the storm
Sift rare stones from ashes of the moon, and rise
Night errands to the throne of anguish

Oh there is too much crush of petals
For perfume, too heavy tread of air on mothwing
For a cup of rainbow dust

Too much pain, oh midwife at the cry
Of severance, fingers at the cosmic cord, too vast
The pains of easters for a hint of the eternal.

I wiould be free of your tyranny, free
From sudden plunges of the flesh in earthquake
Beyond all subsidence of sense

I would be free from headlong rides
In rock seams and volcanic veins, drawn by dark steeds
On grey melodic reins.

--Wole Soyinka

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 27 April 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I prefer Aimless to Stevens as well. Stevens is good for about... a line at a time. Or, let's say, a title at a time. There are lots of good titles in Stevens, but poems? I dunno.

I do think Aimless's poem about what poetry means to people doesn't address the people that the original poet might have been confused by. All those meanings make sense.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Perhaps you might provide an example (or paraphrase) of the so-called poetry that the poet might wonder how it ever could be so called.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:51 (eighteen years ago) link

You should have come to the reading! But I suppose I was mostly thinking of the "tender moments, blandly told, that imply they contain great wisdom" school, something like that. Or maybe I wasn't, it was a while ago!

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 4 May 2006 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, yes! The poem that
cannot be told from dull
prose, except by the addition of
line breaks.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 4 May 2006 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link


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