Taking Sides: the TLS v. the LRB

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his essays on london always arrived a wee bit in the form of "other ppl and their unlearned requirements, pshaw, those of us in the know scry very different energies" (at which point it veers off into tales of john dee or whatever)

i don't much mind this -- you hire sinclair bcz you want to hear from a guy who thinks london has a psyche distinct from (tho interconnected with) the aggregate of the psyches of those who live in it (for example it encompasses the psyches of all those who no longer live in it)

nevertheless the thing abt this essay is that at root it is basically a local beef abt the bins disguised as something more mystically penetrating: and it does not quite say -- when he's e.g. talking abt "wild swimmers" on the beach at hastings -- that *he* is one of the ppl who made the move from his beloved hackney (which he is now bored with) to hastings, where he now resides. when i visit my sister in hastings, she has pointed out the building he lives in, a tall maritime art-deco pile of flats right on the sea-front, and thus overlooking the beach and, well, the outflow of all the local sewers (tho surely not of the london sewers)

there's a real issue here and no doubt there is a kind of hubris about tackling it without really talking about it clearly in public -- which is part of his implication i think -- but i don't feel that he is talking about it clearly in public either! he's weaving a spell of "oh those silly londoners and their unspoken obsession with drains, now if we hark back to gog and magog… "

ps seaside swimmers are not "wild" swimmers, i don't care who says they are

mark s, Monday, 23 January 2023 11:56 (one year ago) link

I think that he wrote about Hastings - and acquiring this home there? - in a book that I own but have not read, DINING ON STONES, which has said building on the front cover.

I am not sure whether he has actually left London, though. I have been, only about 9 months ago, to the square where he lives or lived - it looks incredibly desirable and expensive now, though may not have been 50 years ago. Don't think it would be financially wise to sell that property unless you were moving somewhere possibly even more ambitious than ... Hastings.

So my sense is that maybe he owns two homes. Possibly it is unseemly even to speculate about this.

the pinefox, Monday, 23 January 2023 12:05 (one year ago) link

It now strikes me that when Mark S talks about people moving from their beloved Hackney to new locations on the coast, he is engaging in mildly sublimated autobiography.

the pinefox, Monday, 23 January 2023 12:07 (one year ago) link

i should write a diary and be the chips channon of 2080

mark s, Monday, 23 January 2023 12:24 (one year ago) link

- it looks incredibly desirable and expensive now, though may not have been 50 years ago.

Seem to recall in one of his books he lets slip that his father gave him the money for the house in Hackney in the 70s.

This article https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n02/deborah-friedell/everyone-is-terribly-kind is a classic example of not saying anything at all about the two books under review, as far as I can see.

fetter, Monday, 23 January 2023 18:23 (one year ago) link

The opening line of that sewer piece, meant to give some sense of scale, was meaningless to anyone not a Londoner, so I skipped it. Already find Sinclair a bit of a pain, so this was not hard.


Sinclair is unreadable imo. Like trying to swallow gristle.

Fizzles, Monday, 23 January 2023 19:22 (one year ago) link

I find Sinclair's fiction undreadable but when he's at his best (*Lights Out* *London Orbital* *Edge of the Orison*) his non-fiction is utterly compelling. Fwiw - and this is partly ageist generalising - I think he's part of a herd of critics who seem to be allowed to roam where they please in the pages of the LRB.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 23 January 2023 20:33 (one year ago) link

Essentially agree with Chinaski.

I think Sinclair a great writer, one of the most gifted and important of his generation. There is on that basis a case for saying that the LRB, or whoever, should let him write what he likes, as it will be in some sense important or worthwhile (but I won't persuade anyone of that case, and they do it for Colm Toibin and he mostly writes rubbish).

But Chinaski is dead right: Sinclair's *fictional* imagination is clotted, distorted, awkward, doesn't work for me. The value is in the non-fiction. But the non-fiction has its flaws, as people justly say - the repetition, predictable views, conservatism, cliqueishness, etc.

the pinefox, Monday, 23 January 2023 22:44 (one year ago) link

Michael Wood on Rimbaud is just terrific. Kind of a counterpart with the 'Chips' piece lol.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 10:07 (one year ago) link

I love some of sinclair's earlier writing, i even managed to digest (somewhat) and enjoy two of his novels, downriver and radon daughters. i do wonder what i'd make of them now - but either way i find the mad sparking electricity of his earlier prose entirely absent from these lrb pieces.

ledge, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 10:35 (one year ago) link

DOWNRIVER for me was a rather embarrassing, though ambitious and epic, effort in its grand guignol mode ... very similar to Salman Rushdie of all people. Basically I think I'd say IS does not do satire well. Problems of tone.

I suspect that others of his novels are less satirical, more modernist and minimal, and it might actually work better.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 10:54 (one year ago) link

I remembered that one highlight of the Channon article is Wheatcroft's giving repeated lessons to Heffer about basic errors in the footnotes: 'this is clearly a reference to Keats's "Ode to Autumn"'. That was worthwhile.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 10:55 (one year ago) link

"I love some of sinclair's earlier writing, i even managed to digest (somewhat) and enjoy two of his novels, downriver and radon daughters."

Same here. I got into him bcz of former Wire contributor Ben Watson's writing on him.

Then I started reading his pieces published in the LRB and interest just died. Discourse around psychogeography didn't help.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 11:18 (one year ago) link

London Orbital is a masterpiece, and Sinclair's prose matches the Quixotic nature of the endeavour. I think he has suffered from diminishing returns ever since, but I do enjoy his shorter pieces in the LRB, even if he probably could do with a firmer editor.

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, 24 January 2023 11:33 (one year ago) link

Sinclair remains the only writer to ever cancel an interview with me at the last minute due to "a dodgy prawn curry" and for that alone I'll always like him

bain4z, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 12:06 (one year ago) link

Having finished Sinclair on the sewer, I can state that a relative strength is that it's not as long as I feared it would be. He doesn't outstay his welcome.

Its main weakness is that it doesn't really stick to the topic of the sewer, and doesn't suggest that IS has really learned the salient facts about the sewer, let alone how best to convey them to us, an audience who don't already know them.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 January 2023 22:53 (one year ago) link

To put it in words, not just screenshots:

Very happy to say I have joined the London Review of Books (@LRB) as Head of Audience.

This new role is about imagining how the LRB can and should exist on the internet, from https://t.co/DQwHpzGRuu to email, Twitter, Instagram & beyond

— Jay Owens (@hautepop) January 25, 2023

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 23:21 (one year ago) link

@hautepop reading my old ilx posts abt this topic 👍🏽

mark s, Thursday, 26 January 2023 11:56 (one year ago) link

this is an interesting development bcz i know her as a writer and (very good, clear, smart) analyst of trends but i'm assuming she's in an editorial-restructuring-as-comms type of role here?

anyway we shall see

mark s, Thursday, 26 January 2023 11:58 (one year ago) link

Her piece on AI as aid to novel writing last year was a pretty brilliant look at how things might change and stay the same.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 26 January 2023 12:14 (one year ago) link

Oh no

swore off reading any more Prince Harry stuff but this Andrew O’Hagan review is so good! https://t.co/j71IpZqkTc

— Brandy Jensen (@BrandyLJensen) January 26, 2023

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 26 January 2023 14:25 (one year ago) link

it's not the worst thing he's written!

tbh he'd be much better writing abt lillian ross et al for gawker than for the lrb, the Higher Gossip™️ is the mode where he's at his most engaged

mark s, Thursday, 26 January 2023 14:50 (one year ago) link

It's a really good piece.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:39 (one year ago) link

LRB 19.1.2023.

John Lahr on Buster Keaton: I historically don't like Lahr, but must admit that in 2023, "I knew Buster Keaton. I carried his ukelele" is a strong opening to be able to pull off. Further, the article is actually full of finely succinct summations of points. "[industrial] speed was what the slapstick cinematic chase both celebrated and satirised"; "Keaton was almost all show and no tell"; "these clowns brought with them unexamined emotional baggage, which was part of their droll and poignant aura"; "On his own, Keaton had been an innovator; within the studio system, an employee". Clear thinking is briskly conveyed. The prose is journalistic yet intelligent.

I hadn't known that Keaton married Natalie Talmadge, beautiful (naturally) sister of the beautiful Norma and Constance. Lahr gives the article a happy ending.

Catherine Nicholson on Katherine Rundell on Donne: this is useful as a clear narrative of Donne's life. I learned things. Mark S was correct to point out that it's another piece of LRB insider dealing, a mostly fawning review of the work of a regular contributor. In this context, the odd thing is that almost every phrase or passage directly quoted from Rundell is actively bad. Among numerous other examples, Rundell says that Donne's joy is "so violent it kicks the metal out of your knees". My knees are not the best at this point, but they do not contain metal.

Donald Mackenzie on online advertising shows how www use is carbon-intensive (but is this specifically true of advertising, or just general computer use?), and is practical about how this could be improved.

Deborah Friedell on Dorothy Thompson: when I first saw this headline I assumed it would be about E.P. Thompson's wife.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Thompson_(historian)

It wasn't. I learned about a different Dorothy. Above, poster fetter stated that the article was "a classic example of not saying anything at all about the two books under review". When the article quoted the books and mentioned their authors, I thought: no, it's not quite like that after all; it does talk about the books. Then I looked back at what had actually been reviewed. The books were not about Dorothy Thompson. She is not in the title of either of them. Yet the article is entirely about her. In this unexpected sense, fetter proved quite correct.

the pinefox, Friday, 27 January 2023 10:45 (one year ago) link

Fridell on p.26 writes of Churchill asking the US for fifty destroyers.

Tom Stevenson on p.27 writes of Churchill receiving "fifty old destroyers", a good bargain for the US.

Stevenson, as usual, is knowledgeable, brisk, cool in his assessments of Western military and intelligence. A great LRB asset.

He doesn't mention the oddest thing about "Five Eyes", that most people (not all) have two eyes and thus, for a better image, five subjects with eyes should really add up to "Ten Eyes".

Maybe the most troubling thing about Five Eyes is the fact that the US is so much the senior partner, it takes what it wants and leaves others in the dark when it likes. This may not be surprising. It's the kind of reality that Stevenson is good at showing us.

the pinefox, Friday, 27 January 2023 10:58 (one year ago) link

Eleanor Nairne on Joan Mitchell: on balance, not bad for an LRB art review, but every LRB art review tends to leave me the same sense of dawdling and pointlessness.

Jeremy Dibble on Frederick Delius: I knew nothing about this character, was a bit surprised to read that he was English. The article is somewhat informative then gets too distracted into a political critique of one aspect of the composer's work. The article uses musical terms like "undulate between keys" that I might potentially understand, but not having heard the music, I probably don't really know what's being said.

the pinefox, Friday, 27 January 2023 11:02 (one year ago) link

The editor of the TLS logging on to ILX every day, hopefully clicking on this thread and being disappointed again and again.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 27 January 2023 11:06 (one year ago) link

The TLS is pretty great this week! Good and informative Tim Parks esssay on Calvino's collected non-fiction, a nice appreciation of Ronald Blythe by Richard Smythe and some reviews of interesting looking novels and poetry collections. Some of the reviews are a bit perfunctory but I get more out of it most weeks these days than I do the LRB.

Piedie Gimbel, Friday, 27 January 2023 12:34 (one year ago) link

Ronald Blythe by Richard Smythe

people i might always get confused if i had heard of either of them

ledge, Friday, 27 January 2023 12:41 (one year ago) link

haven't read the delius in full yet but "undulation between keys" is an attempt at a non-technical invocation oif the concept of BITONALITY, as discussed a little (wikipedia-style) here

by the rules of orthdox classical harmony from pre-bach to round about the time of liszt, a work is in an established key. its local harmonies may wander far and wide through other keys -- this was a romantic speciality -- but there is a home key, and how far or how close you are to it supplies the musical equivlaent of narrative tension ("are we there yet dad?" "nearly home now kids")

delius was one of several post-wagner composers -- others were debussy, stravinsky and bartok -- who explored the idea of a piece of music being in two keys at once (aka bitonal): stravinsky and bartok drawing on slavic folk forms to supply a kind of percussive and propulsive rocking effect (all senses of rocking lol), as the two keys clash against one another, each refusing the other mastery; debussy and delius to deliver (by contrast) what simon reynolds would call an "oceanic" undecideability, as the two keys blur into one another

my guess is that this review originaly went with the technical language (it's bitonal!) and an editor said "our readers won't understand that" and the reviewer glumly opted for a handwavey rewording rather than a long explanatory digression: just like the technical jargons of economics, music theory is almost mystically opaque to many otherwise knowledgeable readers, bcz it's so hard to explain what's going on without breaking out the diagrams

mark s, Friday, 27 January 2023 13:03 (one year ago) link

This is true— perhaps the best compliment given to me as a music journalist (when I was one) was when a more seasoned writer said, “you use enough technical language to please the nerds and enough quotidian language to please a regular reader”

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Friday, 27 January 2023 13:14 (one year ago) link

"Good and informative Tim Parks esssay on Calvino's collected non-fiction"

A collected Tim Parks on Italian lit would be my jam.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 27 January 2023 14:31 (one year ago) link

That's a good clear description, Mark S, and I like your droll Reynolds reference, though I'm not sure what being in two keys at once would sound like.

the pinefox, Friday, 27 January 2023 16:19 (one year ago) link

There is a collected Tim Parks on Italian lit: https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Literary_Tour_of_Italy/Nn5jDwAAQBAJ?hl=en

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 28 January 2023 00:08 (one year ago) link

Thanks!

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 28 January 2023 00:46 (one year ago) link

pinefox asks what being in two keys at once might sound like?

At the harsh end check the Petrushka fanfare here (e.g. the phrase played by two clarinets): it’s a C major chord and an F# major chord played against one another. Petrushka is a puppet, agile but also somehow broken, a mocking, annoying, somewhat pitiful figure that’s very much being jeered at by his own motif. As keys, C major and F# major are as “distant” from one another in standard harmonic terms as it’s possible to be.

At the non-harsh blurry end, well, I’d probably be shouted at by an orthodox and qualified musicologist here for calling this bitonal — not least because for convenience I’m simply reaching for a piece I know well — but if it isn’t strictly speaking bitonal it’s definitely in the run-up towards it: Debussy’s Claire de Lune. Which is ostensibly — via key signature and eventual resolution — in Db major but constantly flirts with being in Fminor. Now (as you know) Db major and Fminor are extremely closely related: as chords they basically largely overlap, and entirely overlap once you look at 6th or 7th chords (and Debussy can’t keep his eyes off 6th and 7th chords). So describing as “bitonal” a piece that hovers between these keys is really really stretching a point. But if it’s not both-at-once like Petrushka, the piece is just so dense with meltingly deliberate playful ambiguity: harmonically it’s constantly saying “is it? isn’t it?” and deploying sequences that amplify blurred undecideability despite the resolved conclusion.

And of course — like Delius and also Britten (another composer often put in the “bitonal” bag) — Debussy is very associated with sea pieces and water musics. “Undulating” (rather than e.g. — technical term — “modulating”) often seems a good semi-poetic description of what’s going on in the harmonies?

I don’t really know Delius’s work at all and when I hunted the internet for which pieces or passages are termed bitonal, I did find some but also found a lot more homework than I have time for this weekend tracking down the relevant sections and links to examples etc. But the above at least sketches the two contrasting zones and feels I had in mind.

(This btw is the first piece on Delius I’ve *ever read* which doesn’t talk abt Eric Fenby his amanuensis: Delius was blind so Fenby wrote out his music scores for him, and in all the time I’ve ever known the word Fenby is the only person ever given the job description “amanuensis” — which is basically just a fancy word for assistant or secretary… )

mark s, Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:05 (one year ago) link

(i mean it's not a bit relevant to the piece so fair enough! it's more a sign of a cliched the writing was that i absorbed when i was young and studying this stuff officially)

mark s, Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:13 (one year ago) link

Samuel Beckett used to be referred to as Joyce's amanuensis!

the pinefox, Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:51 (one year ago) link

!!

mark s, Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:57 (one year ago) link

By who?

The Big Candy-O (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:58 (one year ago) link

Well, possibly by Richard Ellmann, for starters. Usage of the term for that relationship has been very common - but perhaps more so in decades past than now.

the pinefox, Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:58 (one year ago) link

I wasn't sure what Mark S meant about Dbm and Fm, so I actually just tried it on a piano - even playing both at once.

I do hear a resonance (overlap?) between them, but also a dissonance, some elements that don't belong together.

My experience of 'composition' - I wouldn't even claim that word - is merely of writing songs, not the kind of advanced thing that Delius presumably wrote, so I'm not sure that I really understand how one would write in two keys at once, whereas I suppose I can understand writing in a key that is a blend of two different chords.

the pinefox, Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:58 (one year ago) link

I had a friend who allegedly used to walk her dog (or somebody’s) with Beckett while he walked his in Paris but I never had the nerve to ask her about it.

The Big Candy-O (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 January 2023 13:59 (one year ago) link

it's amanuenses all the way down

mark s, Saturday, 28 January 2023 14:02 (one year ago) link

Samuel Beckett used to be referred to as Joyce's amanuensis!


Makes sense— the student improved on the teacher, and vastly so.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Saturday, 28 January 2023 16:53 (one year ago) link

i am also historically inclined to be disappointed by john lahr (i read his orton biog 40 odd years ago and was at the time underwhelmed)

however i think his keaton piece is excellent -- good as a pocket biography of an important figure and art-form and actually one of the best slices of pop-culture criticism i've read for a while (and possibly ever) in the lrb, describing expertly where silent-comedy slapstick came from, how the clowning worked and what its power was, and why and how it was leeched away (including into various reaches of the official avant garde: inc.artaud and brecht and beckett)

ALSO -- this isn't in the piece but i just discovered it when looking up how old lahr is (81) -- he is the second (and better)* of connie booth's husbands :0

*my opinion but clearly also hers as they have been an item for c.35 years now

mark s, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 14:53 (one year ago) link

I've not read much of Lahr's work but that was an excellent review and thoroughly enjoyable piece. I started watching some Keaton over Xmas so good timing.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 3 February 2023 08:59 (one year ago) link

mark, I’m afraid your ALSO find got scooped by ILX0r Josefa over on this thread: Old time actors and directors that you were surprised to find out were married to each other once upon a time

And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 February 2023 20:06 (one year ago) link

visited my aged aunt today (90, sleeps mostly) and passed the shop where i bought my first ever LRB (18 11 82, cover = drawn portrait of the young neal ascherson)

mark s, Saturday, 4 February 2023 21:31 (one year ago) link


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