Oh I guess it’s 400pp but it reads pretty fast
― just1n3, Saturday, 20 November 2021 15:15 (four years ago)
butcher’s crossing is amazing, not sure i’d call it a treat
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, November 20, 2021 8:37 AM (two hours ago)
fine BRAD it was a GEM geez
― certified juice therapist (harbl), Saturday, 20 November 2021 16:06 (four years ago)
the second half of butcher’s crossing just feels too brutal to feel like a treat, i admit this is v subjective
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 20 November 2021 17:08 (four years ago)
yeah but that was the best part, to me
― certified juice therapist (harbl), Saturday, 20 November 2021 17:16 (four years ago)
Some lively discussions of Williams novels on past WAYR?! More than one, prob---seems like one of those subjects we come back to over the years, like when somebody discovers Jean Stafford.t Stoner,in particular, gets folks het up. (I still mean to read it, and maybe everything by him, at least I do when I think of those discussions.)
― dow, Saturday, 20 November 2021 19:12 (four years ago)
― certified juice therapist (harbl), Saturday, November 20, 2021 10:16 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
agreed!!!
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 20 November 2021 19:17 (four years ago)
since the hearing trumpet has already been repped for multiple times, another novel by an english surrealist i also really love: ithell colquhoun's goose of hermogenes
― no lime tangier, Saturday, 20 November 2021 19:20 (four years ago)
I found Augustus better realized than Stoner.`
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 November 2021 19:32 (four years ago)
I admire what he brought off: a ruler with magnificent self-control writing crisp prose that aspires to be boilerplate but ends up self-revealing.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 November 2021 19:34 (four years ago)
1 good short literary type book I read this year -- John Berger's The Red Tenda of Bologna. kind of a travelogue but mostly reminiscences and opinions on art and culture. short chapters and many are self-contained. available as a penguin mini, around 60 pages, 2007.
― adam t. (abanana), Sunday, 21 November 2021 19:17 (four years ago)
Omg Harriet trying to come up with a rhyme for her poem in The Long Secret is the best thing
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 21 November 2021 20:42 (four years ago)
A saft ansuer tooneth away rat
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 November 2021 20:46 (four years ago)
Harriet watching TV, as seen through Beth Ellen's eyes, is my favorite thing.
"Look at these things. Look at all these dumb people. Look at these rotten things. I never saw such dumb things. There isn't anything I'd like to see. There's never anything I'd like to see. What a bunch of ridiculous...HEY!" she suddenly yelled. "There's a GREAT Nazi movie on!"She turned to Beth Ellen, who was flipping channels like a zombie."Quick," she screamed, "turn it to that!" She leapt across the room.Beth Ellen looked over her shoulder at the program, then turned to the right channel. Some Nazis were beating up an old woman on the street."Look at those rotten things! Oh, boy!" said Harriet and sat down, stuffing a great gob of popcorn in her mouth.
She turned to Beth Ellen, who was flipping channels like a zombie.
"Quick," she screamed, "turn it to that!" She leapt across the room.
Beth Ellen looked over her shoulder at the program, then turned to the right channel. Some Nazis were beating up an old woman on the street.
"Look at those rotten things! Oh, boy!" said Harriet and sat down, stuffing a great gob of popcorn in her mouth.
― Lily Dale, Sunday, 21 November 2021 21:26 (four years ago)
Hup.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 November 2021 21:32 (four years ago)
I may have misunderstood the assignment here but I can definitely second Yellowback Radio Brokedown.
A lot of the time for comfort and quick serotonin hits I revert to fun creative nonfiction (Joan Didion, John McPhee or whatever) or Annie Dillard way before I open a novel.
― popcornoscenti (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 21 November 2021 22:19 (four years ago)
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Monday, 22 November 2021 01:07 (four years ago)
Jon Fosse - Morning and Evening
115 pages. Gets you emotionally very quickly.
― abcfsk, Monday, 22 November 2021 11:47 (four years ago)
really appreciate all the recommendations!
do not personally care for John Williams, but I agree that if you like his style a book like Stoner must be a treat
Two of my favorite pure treat books, just 100% delightful to read, are Brat Farrar and The Singing Sands by Josephine Tey. Both classic mystery novels but with much more emphasis on the novel part than the mystery part.
intrigued by this (and the Maigret recommendation) as mystery/crime is a genre I like but where I have a hard time finding enjoyable books
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 22 November 2021 13:39 (four years ago)
I would highly recommend the Maigret novels; the vibe is quite a change of pace from the typical crime novel. I love the ones where he's just sort of hanging out at the fringes of a scene where shit went down/is about to go down, but not actually acting in any sort of official capacity.
― cwkiii, Monday, 22 November 2021 14:01 (four years ago)
Yeah, "Hey chief, big shoot-out here 10 minutes ago, Suspect B is all over the place." And he, like his creator, knows that he can't do his job like he's committed to if he isn't tuned into that human stuff, w/o gettin' snowflake--it's just that M. and S. have seen sooo much of this over the many years: the series is built for that, w/o getting to soap opera heroine w 7 spouses, 10 comas, x number gettin' into trouble for breakin' all the rules, like so many crime series.
― dow, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 18:55 (four years ago)
I mean usually there's more compartmentalization and repetition of big bravura SFX, none of that here.
― dow, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 18:57 (four years ago)
But I came here to say that mention of the xpost bite-size Berger reminds me of recently noticing a stand-alone of Michael Herr's "Illumination Rounds," an advance excerpt from Dispatches: got me going in New American Review, the mostly (?) 60s-published mass market paperback lit mag.
― dow, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 19:02 (four years ago)
seconding early ishmael reed & hard rain falling, will nom joseph mitchell joe gould's secret or even better the collection up in the old hotel - this is a whopper which is against the rules which are made to be broken, but it's a collection of smaller pieces tbf (and skip the fiction probably)
another whopper the sot-weed factor is pure pleasure
muriel spark
― coombination gazza hut & scampo bell (wins), Monday, 29 November 2021 22:09 (four years ago)
i picked up 'at swim two birds' because of this thread
i lucked out and got this dalkey edition with this quote by dylan thomas on the cover
This is just the book to give your sister if she's a loud, dirty, boozy girl!
https://entertainment.time.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2011/07/t100_novels_atswimtwobirds.jpg?w=258
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 03:28 (four years ago)
Forgot about that quote.
― Duck and Sally Can’t Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 03:32 (four years ago)
Wanna get back into my middle school fave Saki, but library only has Complete Works in one smallish (Modern Library-style) volume: tiny type!! I may read it anyway, 'til eyeballs rebel.
xpost Muriel Spark: o hell yes The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie is great gateway, and just the right length for this thread.
up in the old hotel - this is a whopper which is against the rules which are made to be broken, but it's a collection of smaller pieces tbf(and skip the fiction probably) Did Mitchell write fiction? Would like to check it if so.
― dow, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 03:36 (four years ago)
There has been some controversy in certain quarters over how much fiction may have crept into Mitchell's nonfiction. IIRC a few of the pieces in "Up in the Old Hotel" are labeled as fiction. Some others may have been "embellished". They are definitely treats though. Of books I've read recently the one that might best meet the criteria laid out for this thread is "Price of Salt" by Patricia Highsmith, i.e. an effortless, engrossing read.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 03:50 (four years ago)
There are all sorts of shades of 'non-fiction', depending on the subject matter and how the author decides to present the material.
Embellishment is intrinsic to any kind of storytelling that pretends to convey a sense of life and action, no matter how strongly it is based in actuality. I guess the phone book (which soon will be completely obsolete as a thing known and familiar) would be a good example of minimally-embellished non-fiction, but even a phone book could be said to impose tiny amounts of imagination and coloration upon the bare facts.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 04:00 (four years ago)
Yeah, but I read (and skip the fiction probably) as distinguishing between two sets of publications, as if the author or someone since had straight-up designated, say, features over here, short storied over there.
― dow, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 04:17 (four years ago)
justin3 recommended “The Gone World” upthread & i read it last weekholy shit. a horror/scifi that really pushes the boat out. the horror is legit scary af, the scifi is v ambitious, really well written. it was described as true detective meets inception but inception is wrong. maybe edge of tomorrow? anyway, get into it, genre-nerds
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 06:04 (four years ago)
xp yeah I was referring to the handful of short stories collected in up in the old hotel which were explicitly published as fiction
― coombination gazza hut & scampo bell (wins), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 07:15 (four years ago)
Thanks! Didn't remember that distinction, will have to re-read with it in mind, though was pretty sure he at least massaged some of his material. (In Joe Gould's Teeth, Jill LePore says that some documents have come to light which Mitchell couldn't have known about, but also 0 indication among his copious papers that he ever responded to several people who offered to be interviewed etc re Gould.)The Wikipedia article on Mitchell incl. several pieces that have appeared in The New Yorker this century (think it was the most recent one that I read and liked):Wiki page has links for each, though they're behind account wall; dunno if you can just sign up and view w/o having to pay)2000–2015Takes Takes (May 28, 2000)Street Life Personal History (February 3, 2013)Days in the Branch Personal History (November 24, 2014)A Place of Pasts Personal History (February 9, 2015)
― dow, Thursday, 2 December 2021 03:19 (four years ago)
xxp i also read 'the gone world' on justin3's recommendation and it was v. good
however
as someone who grew up in southwestern pennsylvania at the same time as the protagonist (I was born a year later), i feel compelled to point out that teenage girls there in 1985 who dressed like madonna or had michael jackson jackets absolutely did *not* listen to AC/DC (especially not powerage, which didn't even have a hit?!)
otoh the author might have simply been heightening the contradictions? get out of my head
― mookieproof, Thursday, 2 December 2021 03:39 (four years ago)
I really wish someone would read Keith Maillard, perhaps only to disabuse me of the notion that he’s utterly fabulous. I and about a dozen other people think he’s a treasure - and his books are a treat. Anything, really, but I was knocked out by his latest novel, Twin Studies.
― war mice (hardcore dilettante), Thursday, 2 December 2021 04:28 (four years ago)
An English Murder, Cyril Hare - Cozy mystery, set at x-mas no less, but with real life 50's politics intruding - aristocratic family includes a cousin who is Chancellor of the Exchequer in the labour govt as well as a son leading a neo-fascist group; the Poirotesque outsider, a Hungarian Jewish academic, is a holocaust survivor. Breezed through it, great stuff.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 10:37 (four years ago)
Sigrid Nunez has been doing it for me lately, The Friend and What Are You Going Through? total gems
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 16 May 2022 11:37 (four years ago)
I got assigned a Sigrid Nunez book for my branch library’s reading group. I liked the beginning of it so much that I read a few other books first, saving the assigned one to read right before we met so it would be fresh in my mind. She is a new favorite, seems to do every single thing right.
― Thrapple from the Apple (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 10 August 2024 00:57 (one year ago)
Also the audiobook reader of almost all of her books, Hillary Huber, is just about perfect.
― Thrapple from the Apple (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 10 August 2024 01:57 (one year ago)
She also has read many of Elena Ferrante's books
― Thrapple from the Apple (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 10 August 2024 01:58 (one year ago)
i finished this just last week and i thought it was great! i loved the writing. so many evocative settings and sentences. i love when an author has so many avenues they can explore and they have the discipline to keep everything tight and controlled and never get lost in their own obviously fecund imagination. great characters both secondary and central. the writer did a lot of television and brit teleplays and you can't help but think about how great it would be on the screen. half the fun of the book though, for me, was picturing everything that was so lovingly described. i will look for more by him. published in 1986 but reprinted by McNally Editions recently.
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― scott seward, Saturday, 10 August 2024 02:18 (one year ago)
https://www.londonreviewbookshop.co.uk/storage/1200_filter/images/9/9/8/9/4099899-1-eng-GB/9781946022707.jpg
― scott seward, Saturday, 10 August 2024 02:19 (one year ago)
ha, oops, sorry. that first one didn't show up for me so i just had to add a blurry second picture.
― scott seward, Saturday, 10 August 2024 02:20 (one year ago)
Nunez is my favorite living writer by a mile
I think The Last of Her Kind (2006) might be her masterpiece, but A Feather on the Breath of God (1995) and The Friend (2018) are also extremely accomplished
I highly recommend her non-fiction account of Virginia Woolf's monkey Mitz (1998) and her Susan Sontag memoir Sempre Susan (2011)
But really everything she's written is great and it's all about style, she is a perfect writer to me. Only real outlier is Salvation City (2010) which is more of a post-apocalyptic YA novel of ideas, but even that has some real strong passages.
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 13 August 2024 14:17 (one year ago)
So far I've read SEMPRE SUSAN and THE FRIEND properly, buzzed through THE VULNERABLES, which I may reread,, and am on my secornd round of WHAT ARE YOU GOING THROUGH? in preparation for the book group meeting tomorrow, and have got my eye on MITZ and THE LAST OF HER KIND. Feel like she is a perfect writer, for me anyway.
― Thrapple from the Apple (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 13 August 2024 15:28 (one year ago)
Oh yeah, you said perfect too.
― Thrapple from the Apple (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 13 August 2024 15:29 (one year ago)
I glanced at some of the reviews on her web page. She wrote a fair review of STATION ELEVEN. Also hadn't realized that she had given Jonathan Franzen a copy of DESPERATE CHARACTERS at Yaddo, thereby setting in motion the Paula Fox revival.
― Thrapple from the Apple (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 13 August 2024 15:32 (one year ago)
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/13/t-magazine/sigrid-nunez-paula-fox-desperate-characters.html
― Thrapple from the Apple (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 13 August 2024 15:40 (one year ago)
I’ve only read The Friend, thought it was pretty enjoyable for the most part. I will probably seek out some others at some point.
― o. nate, Tuesday, 13 August 2024 15:55 (one year ago)
Recently: Strong Poison, my first Dorothy L. Sayers, in which Lord Peter Wimsey's sterling powers of detection, also nerves, are challenged by the sensational murder trial of young Harriet Vane, a mystery writer who lived in sin with the young dead man, also an author. Zingers fly, especially from the excitable Lord and his pals, but so rare to find them doing so through perfectly timed shades of dark realness (and real enough): a lot of crime shows so try to do this, but Sayers just does it. Prisoner Vane is necessarily the least mobile, least confident character, but credibly convinces Wimsey that she's innocent (well probably). All the women here are credible, in a variety of roles, and one of LP's employees at what seems like a secretarial agency, and is, to a certain extent, but mainly is about detecting white collar crime, one of these ladies gets sent up north to do crucial legwork.Relationship of W. and V. nuanced, and intro assures us that they did not go running around as Mr. and Mrs. Detective for several more volumes.
― dow, Wednesday, 14 August 2024 01:50 (one year ago)
i have heard such good things about the harriet vane books, i need to get on the Sayers train!
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 14 August 2024 04:29 (one year ago)