Note: this is from the penultimate and antepenultimate page. The final page is all titles from RAY BRADBURY: America's most daring explorer of the imagination. A separate poll can be created if needed.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 November 2019 16:44 (six years ago)
Lol Delany stuff really sticks out
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:03 (six years ago)
I inserted an extra space in the thread title but otherwise I think I got it all right.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:05 (six years ago)
Yeah, it does stick out but still seems to be an interesting range of stuff, so it’s not a complete outlier.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:06 (six years ago)
What year is this from?
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:13 (six years ago)
1979.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:18 (six years ago)
Wow, the list on page two of other Bantam titles has some more good stuff not seen here.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:21 (six years ago)
Couple people on here I’ve never heard of. Pat Frank? Ian Watson?
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:26 (six years ago)
Alas, Babylon was kind of like On the Beach in that it was an apocalyptic/post-apocalyptic novel written by someone not known within the genre, iirc. You never read “The Very Slow Time Machine”?
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:33 (six years ago)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alas,_Babylon?wprov=sfti1
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:37 (six years ago)
Somebody paid Will Patton to record an audiobook of it, so it still seems to have an audience.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 November 2019 17:44 (six years ago)
Watson's magic omnibus The Books of the Black Current got me catnipping on Rolling Speculative, where James Morrison also cited The Embedding. Don't know this title, but looks very Watsonian. What, we can only vote for one of these? Prob. Delany. Show the list on page two!
― dow, Sunday, 17 November 2019 19:48 (six years ago)
Okay, should be able to post that one in a little bit.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 November 2019 20:54 (six years ago)
Bantam Science FictionAsk your bookseller for the books you have missed
FANTASTIC VOYAGE by Isaac AsimovMONUMENT by Lloyd Biggle, Jr.NIGHTMARES AND GEEZENSTACKS by Fredric BrownHONEYMOON IN HELL by Fredric BrownROGUE IN SPACE by Fredric BrownWHAT MAD UNIVERSE by Fredric BrownBEASTS by John CrowleyDHALGREN by Samuel R. DelanyNOVA by Samuel R. DelanyTALES OF NEVERYON by Samuel R. DelanyTRITON by Samuel R. DelanyUBIK by Philip K. DIckNEBULA WINNERS TWELVE by Gordon DicksonTIME STORM by Gordon DicksonALAS, BABYLON by Pat FrankTHE STAINLESS STEEL RAT WANTS YOU by Harry HarrisonHELLSTROM'S HIVE by Frank HerbertDEMON SEED by Dean KoontzNEBULA AWARDS STORIES TWELVE edited by Ursula K. LeGuin THE DAY OF THE DRONES by A.M. LightnerDRAGONSONG by Anne McCaffreyDRAGONSINGER by Anne McCaffreyA CANTICLE FOR LEIBOWITZ by Walter M. Miller, Jr.HIGH COUCH OF SILISTRA by Janet E. MorrisWIND FROM THE ABYSS by Janet E. MorrisLOGAN'S RUN by William F. Nolan & George Clayton JohnsonLOGAN'S WORLD by William F. NolanMAN PLUS by Frederik PohlCRITICAL MASS by Frederik Pohl & C.M. KornbluthLAGRANGE FIVE by Mack ReynoldsTHE FEMALE MAN by Johanna RussCROMPTON DIVIDED by Robert SheckleyTHE WONDERFUL WORLD OF ROBERT SHECKLEY by Robert SheckleyTHE JONAH KIT by Ian WatsonNEBULA AWARD STORIES NINE edited by Kate Wilhelm
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 November 2019 22:14 (six years ago)
Joanna Russ's name spelled incorrectly in the original.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 November 2019 22:15 (six years ago)
Front page contains the full version of this quote
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 November 2019 22:17 (six years ago)
Sorry, left out THE GOLDEN SWORD by Janet E. Morris, with whom I am still unfamiliar.
Hopefully will remember to add in case we decide to poll that list too.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 November 2019 22:21 (six years ago)
Probably voting Walter Miller Jr as my favourite Delaneys and Le Guins aren't on there.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 18 November 2019 02:33 (six years ago)
Was thinking same, as thats not my favorite Pohl (by some distance) either
― Οὖτις, Monday, 18 November 2019 03:22 (six years ago)
lol @ their being a Logan's Run sequel
is Fredric Brown worth reading? why does he get so many entries on this list?
― Οὖτις, Monday, 18 November 2019 20:30 (six years ago)
I must've read some of his short pieces at some point, but they left no impression
― Οὖτις, Monday, 18 November 2019 20:33 (six years ago)
Janet E. Morris bridged two worlds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Couch_of_Silistra#/media/File:High_Couch_of_Silistra_front_cover.jpg
― alimosina, Monday, 18 November 2019 20:58 (six years ago)
― alimosina, Monday, 18 November 2019 20:59 (six years ago)
Can't load that image.
― alimosina, Monday, 18 November 2019 21:00 (six years ago)
lol @ their being a Logan's Run sequelis Fredric Brown worth reading? why does he get so many entries on this list?
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 01:08 (six years ago)
I haven't read enough of these to vote in good conscience, but I'm basically a "Martian Chronicles" guy.
― o. nate, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 03:07 (six years ago)
Earthsea over Dhalgren for me
― Book Doula (sleeve), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 03:40 (six years ago)
I was just contemplating re-reading those McCaffrey books the other day but I'm afraid they won't have aged well as opposed to my pre-teen memory of them
― Book Doula (sleeve), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 03:41 (six years ago)
The only thing I've read by here was an anthologized early Pern story: blanking on titles, but it was from the 60s, orig. in Analog, I think (editor commented that she was one of Campbell's last proteges). Was immediately drawn into complicated intrigue, world-building and customized dragons (bred by lost Earthling colonists to psychic powers and bonding in pairs with humans, 4 life). The reversion or extension of feudalism went with retro-futuristic play of the dragon card in power struggles and other cultural activities. SF with the trappings and flavor of fantasy, so yeah planetary romance, as this article says (I'd just read Dune, so was especially up for McC.):http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/mccaffrey_anneThough caveat:McCaffrey and her collaborators and successors have, perhaps inevitably, allowed a touchy-feely Young Adult glow to soften the impact of its first volumes, losing in the process the clarity of her focus on strong women protagonists (see Women in SF), and her remarkable nuts-and-bolts attentiveness to the problems of living and gaining career success in Pern.So, yet more stuff that gets better the farther back you go, maybe---then again, she wrote other interesting-looking books mentioned here.
― dow, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 23:29 (six years ago)
There were at least two Logan's Run sequels, I owned the one on here as a kid.
My favourites are the Bradburys and the Delaneys and Earthsea but I'm conflicted about that one
― The Man Who Was Thirsty (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 23:33 (six years ago)
Almost certainly Something Wicked for me
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 16:47 (six years ago)
dow (and sfencyclopedia) generally otm about McCaffrey - I re-read some of those books recently and the writing and plotting and general ideas tend to devolve as the series goes on (and on, and on). It's important to remember that there was basically nothing like this before her, this kind of pulpy YA sf fantasy fiction with strong women protagonists, written by a woman. She invented that shit.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 16:51 (six years ago)
Norton's Ordeal In Otherwhere and Year Of The Unicorn pre-dates Pern by a few years. Don't know if they were the first.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 17:46 (six years ago)
idk anybody irl that read Andre Norton. Even as a kid, the only reason I knew the name was because of her foundation's grants to PBS lol.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 17:51 (six years ago)
but sure ok
She seems to have some staying power because recent writers like Aliette De Bodard, Ann Leckie, Craig Laurence Gidney probably a few others I'm forgetting have some love for her.
I didn't like one book I tried recently but I've got a bunch more to get to.
I'm sure the anthology Dow is reading has one of her stories.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 18:13 (six years ago)
Yep, this one: ANDREW NORTH: All Cats Are Gray | 1953. Haven't gotten there yet. Title seems familiar, but I don't recall ever reading anything by her. Very good selections so far.
― dow, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 18:47 (six years ago)
title is from Mervyn Peake/Ghormenghast
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 18:53 (six years ago)
Okay, reminder that I still need to read all that too!I don't know how her whole life-cycle might compare to those of Norton and McC.'s valiant women, but already, in this 1934 Weird Tales tale I tripped on above, Jirel of Jorey is a badass with emotional conflicts to match or overmatch physical violence, of which there is plenty, in a pulpy yet non-gratuitous way. I don't know that such a combo would have been acceptable in a comparable male character (don't recall Conan having those feels, although creator Robert E. Howard seemed to flame out after his mother's death, right? So maybe Conan did have some perceptible vulnerabilities somewhere--or Red Sonja? Never read stories of her).Here, at least, Jirel seems like an ancestor of 60s teen angst Peter Parker->Spiderman--and his future peer Paul Atreides, who will have not wanna be no Dune Messiah for the Universe--and all or many such subsequent superheros and heroines.
― dow, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:42 (six years ago)
lol idk if you need to read *all* of it, I stopped after the first Ghormenghast book lol
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:44 (six years ago)
Yeah, me too.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:49 (six years ago)
All Cats Are Gray
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:52 (six years ago)
although huh I guess there is some idiomatic saying that predates Peake? idk
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:53 (six years ago)
Poor Richard’s Almanac, if not earlier, I would hazard to guess.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 21:00 (six years ago)
No, that's "All Cats Are Gay."
― dow, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 21:30 (six years ago)
"Like Horses!"
― dow, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 21:31 (six years ago)
You guys have got to be kidding.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 22:07 (six years ago)
Usually see that quote attributed to Ben Franklin, although Wikipedia seems to have an earlier citation as well.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 22:32 (six years ago)
it's french you rubes
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.linternaute.com/proverbe/75/la-nuit-tous-les-chats-sont-gris/&prev=search
― The Pingularity (ledge), Thursday, 21 November 2019 09:52 (six years ago)
voted tombs of atuan btw, where earthsea starts to get interesting (i.e. not patriarchal).
― The Pingularity (ledge), Thursday, 21 November 2019 09:53 (six years ago)
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― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:40 (six years ago)
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Friday, 6 December 2019 00:01 (six years ago)
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Saturday, 7 December 2019 00:01 (six years ago)
Rachel Bloom to thread!
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 7 December 2019 00:23 (six years ago)
Poor "The Farthest Shore" -- always the bridesmaid, never the bride.
― doctor johnson (askance johnson), Saturday, 7 December 2019 15:34 (six years ago)