And The Snow Fell Softly On ILB: What Are You Reading Now Winter 2017/18

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There are several about American couples in Europe, but I think (although I can't always read between his lines) that only one of these involves an abortion, if that's what you mean. And that's the one of this subset that I remember the best.

dow, Friday, 9 March 2018 04:53 (six years ago) link

That is “Hills Like White Elephants” I believe

valorous wokelord (silby), Friday, 9 March 2018 05:24 (six years ago) link

Right, thanks, I had already checked the book back in, should have gone back and made sure of titles before posting. It's not The Collected..., but The Short Stories of Ernest Hemingway(Scribner's, 1966)--as listed in library catalog:

The short happy life of Francis Macomber -- The capitol of the world -- The snows of Kilimanjaro -- Old man at the bridge -- Up in Michigan -- On the Quai at Smyrna -- Indian camp -- The doctor and the doctor's wife -- The end of something -- The three-day blow -- The battler -- A very short story -- Soldier's home -- The revolutionist -- Mr. and Mrs. Elliot -- Cat in the rain -- Out of season -- Cross-country snow -- My old man -- Big two-hearted river: part I -- Big two-hearted river: part II -- The undefeated -- In another country -- Hills like white elephants -- The killers. Che ti dice la patria? -- Fifty grand -- A simple enquiry -- Ten indians -- A canary for one -- An alpine idyll -- A pursuit race -- Today is friday -- Banal story -- Now I lay me -- After the storm -- A clean, well-lighted place -- The light of the world -- God rest you merry, gentlemen -- The sea change -- A way you'll never be -- The mother of a queen -- One reader writes -- Homage to Switzerland -- A day's wait -- A natural history of the dead -- Wine of Wyoming -- The gambler, the nun, and the radio -- Fathers and sons.

dow, Friday, 9 March 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link

I finished Sapphira and the Slave Girl and it was excellent in many ways, but marred by an unconscious complacence about racism that Cather disguised beneath a complex condemnation of slavery. The strength of the book lies in its sympathetic understanding of its white characters and the ways in which maintaining slavery imposed difficult moral and social problems upon them for which they had no adequate answers.

The weakness of the book is that the black characters are much too simple, too imperfectly explored, and too easily explained. They are not mere stereotypes and foils for the white characters; they do achieve a certain amount of reality and sympathy, but it is a thin and insubstantial reality, just a short step above stereotype.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 9 March 2018 20:35 (six years ago) link

The book I have now begin to read is A Nervous Splendor, which observes Vienna and some famous Viennese figures, during a ten month period in 1888-89. In order to provide adequate background, the author must of course pull in many facts from outside this period, but the conceit is that this short time encapsulates everything of importance the author wants to examine. My only quarrel so far is the writing style is a bit too overtly stylish for my taste and the details adduced are made to support conclusions they are not always sturdy enough to uphold.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 9 March 2018 20:46 (six years ago) link

I am 600 pages into Crucible of War by Fred Anderson. I think I lost a bit of interest when the War itself ended and the focus turned to politics, but I am too far in to bail out now.

o. nate, Saturday, 10 March 2018 02:44 (six years ago) link

I'm not sure that Hemingway deserves devotion.

― the pinefox, Wednesday, March 7, 2018

He's still fine as an way to trim excesses in student short story writing.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 March 2018 02:48 (six years ago) link

*a way

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 March 2018 02:48 (six years ago) link

nadanadanada

Whiney On The Moog (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 10 March 2018 03:36 (six years ago) link

UR Ananthamurthy - Bhava
Carlo Gadda - The Experience of Pain

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 10 March 2018 22:25 (six years ago) link

Loved A Nervous Splendour: heard about it originally from other folks raving about it on ILB several years ago. The sequel, about 1913/14 is excellent too.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 11 March 2018 05:11 (six years ago) link

I need some good recs for recent gay male lit.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 March 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link

Can it be YA? If so, Vanilla by Billy Merrill is very interesting. Written in blank verse.

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Monday, 12 March 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link

sure!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 March 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link

I'm reading "The Hearing Trumpet" by Leonora Carrington. It's very brief and I had been finding it OK but slow going, have just started enjoying it after about 110 of its 150 pages. I could do with more weirdness or more of a romp, some element of both of those may be emerging.

I read this odd thing also: http://probabilitydistributiongroup.bigcartel.com/product/the-injuries-of-time-desmond-wolfe-and-the-mulholland-archive-limited-edition-monochrome-version (in case the link expires, it's "The Injuries of Time - Desmond Wolfe and the Mulholland Archive") which is apparently a study of the archive of a missing academic who appears to have gone mad studying the archive of a missing academic who appears to have gone mad. It manages to achieve a genuinely eerie feeling, I liked it very much.

It's from the same mysterious person / people who made "This Wounded Island" which I mentioned here: ILB Gripped the Steps and Other Stories. What Are You Reading Now, Spring 2017

There seems to be virtually nothing about them on the internet.

Tim, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 10:50 (six years ago) link

Very intriguing. Doesn't even seem to be a Monkbridge University. I'm def going to grab that book, thanks much.

Google Atheist (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:17 (six years ago) link

There is no such institution - I think it's a piece of semi-satirical world-building (certainly "This Wounded Island" is taking a (fond?) poke at both "psychogeography" as currently practiced, and at Brexitty Kentlands) but it's all done well enough to achieve an enjoyably spooked atmosphere.

More spooked Kentery to be found in "All The Devils Are Here" by David Seabrook, recently reprinted by Granta - went to a fun event re-launching it last week. It's a woozy and unsettling survey of selected Kentish monsters (and troubled souls) over the course of a few hundred years, from Charles Hawtrey to Lord Haw-Haw. I know I've banged on about that one also in the past, it's dead good although one suspects some of the author's own views may have been scabrous, perhaps sometimes straying into the dodgy. It's the closest I've ever found narrative non-fiction coming to the feeling of one of those hangovers that seems to be a howling tunnel of horror and self-loathing and it's the sort of narrative non-fiction that will hold conversations with ghosts.

Tim, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:31 (six years ago) link

I'm reading Ishiguro's Nocturnes: Five Stories of Music and Nightfall. I like the first one, "Crooner," especially this bit:
We went through that song, full of travelling and goodbye. An American man leaving his woman. He keeps thinking of her as he passes through the towns one by one, verse by verse, Phoenix, Albuquerque, Oklahoma, driving down a long road, the way my mother never could. If only we could leave things behind like that---I guess that's what my mother would have thought. If only sadness could be like that.

The second one, "Come Rain Or Come Shine," immediately and for most of it seems even better, or different: a wild/precise dark comedy, going toward farce, then more poignant---but ending up too The Big Chill for me, off-putting and retrospectively reductive in some ways. But I def. get his range and depth, to some extent---other Ishiguro I should read---?

dow, Thursday, 15 March 2018 18:23 (six years ago) link

No clear objections to the actual The Big Chill, far as I can recall, but subsequent arts reminders of it seem too auto-generational re middle-ageing etc. (not nec. Boomer).

dow, Thursday, 15 March 2018 18:28 (six years ago) link

I finished A Nervous Splendor, Frederic Morton. Maybe it's because I spent 1600 pages living inside The Man Without Qualities last year, but my enjoyment of this was not as keen as that of other ILB'ers who've praised it in the past.

The larger point of the book was that the Austro-Hungarian Empire was faltering due to its habitually burying problems beneath impressive ritual, and distracting itself with superficialities, giving it a seductive gaiety that papered over its stasis, emptiness and futility. Ironically, it felt like the author's style mirrored the style he attributed to Viennese in general. It was just a bit too flashy, a bit too concerned with building up heroes while dismissively pointing at their feet of clay. In a way, this was the perfect style to deftly mirror his subject matter, but for me it embraced too much of the superficiality and emptiness he was trying to convey and it was oddly unsatisfying.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 15 March 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link

other Ishiguro I should read---?

I totally loved When We Were Orphans, which I don't hear anyone talk about much; I think I strongly identified with the narrator's status as an immigrant who thinks he's assimilated much more than he actually has. Remains Of The Day is good too, as you may have heard. Both feature sad unreliable narrators.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 15 March 2018 22:25 (six years ago) link

Tired of unreliable narrators, esp. sad, but whaddayagonnado, sigh. Will check, thanks. Also curious about his allegorical fantasy novel or straight-up fantasy novel or whatever it is.

dow, Friday, 16 March 2018 00:37 (six years ago) link

the three body problem

any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a fantasy novel

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 16 March 2018 01:24 (six years ago) link

I am also reading that, and enjoying it immensely, despite some reservations about weird dialogue, but there had best be some good explanations, even if they are handwavy, in the 100p I have left.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 16 March 2018 05:39 (six years ago) link

i thought its pacing and general appeal slipped quite badly towards the end unfortunately. still think the first half / two thirds was excellent.

reading the second in the trilogy, the dark forest, now. it’s a bit hard going and is more about the grind of preparing for an alien encounter 4.25 light years and multiple generations away, with modelled social implications. i quite like the way liu cixin (劉慈欣) is happy to let societal models play out almost as if they were characters an author allows to make their own decisions rather than forcing them down preconceived plotlines. but it’s not *really* a compelling basis for a novel.

also *lots* of characters who in strugglijg to distinguish.

on the advanced technology / fantasy point thomp, i think i agree. but the retention of scientistic language provides framework linking current day science and plausible future science to “fantasy science”. i’d also ask whether you’d include something that uses a scientific paradigm jump as its basic principle - like teleportation in The Stars My Destination - in that category.

there’s also a consideration, which is also too dull to consider, that much actual physics can feel fantastic, or requiring of a certain amount of faith, if you don’t properly understand the mechanics (as i don’t). tho as i say it’s a pub bore point.

Fizzles, Friday, 16 March 2018 07:50 (six years ago) link

oh different translator too. noticeable i think. and not in a good way. i liked the manner of ken liu’s translation.

Fizzles, Friday, 16 March 2018 07:51 (six years ago) link

Tired of unreliable narrators, esp. sad, but whaddayagonnado, sigh. Will check, thanks. Also curious about his allegorical fantasy novel or straight-up fantasy novel or whatever it is.

I fear unreliable narrators are kinda Ishiguro's thing? I read his fantasy novel - The Buried Giant - recently and thought it was just ok. Reminded me a lot of T.H. White.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 16 March 2018 09:09 (six years ago) link

Here's my book news:

Glass shelf failure! They’d been good for 15 years... pic.twitter.com/VQlwFcHL1f

— The Half Pint Press (@halfpintpress) March 16, 2018

bleurgh

Tim, Friday, 16 March 2018 09:40 (six years ago) link

Jesus Tim I'm sorry.

In my early twenties I had some cheap shelves that I didn't secure too properly and I threw a big party. They collapsed in the middle of a SingStar karaoke session, dozens and dozens of CDs and books flying directly at us.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 16 March 2018 09:55 (six years ago) link

Calamity! Quite a graceful failure though. Were you home, was it loud?

I keep on meaning to write on the Ishiguro thread about why the Buried Giant is conceptually hugely flawed and bad, and The Unconsoled is a bona fide masterpiece. But not today.

lana del boy (ledge), Friday, 16 March 2018 10:00 (six years ago) link

amazing photo!

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 16 March 2018 10:46 (six years ago) link

We weren't home; I wish I'd heard it. It was remarkably civilised of the books to fall downwards rather than outwards. The glass mostly broke very cleanly also, thank goodness.

Not sure what material to use to replace, it's gotta be thin and v strong and not v bendy. Reinforced glass would be perfect but is I think rather expensive.

Tim, Friday, 16 March 2018 11:03 (six years ago) link

I'm reading Robert Remini's doorstop bio of Daniel Webster cuz why not. I finished John Kenneth Galbraith's rather forgotten novel A Tenured Professor and hope to start Alan Hollinghurst's latest and Under the Udala Trees, both recommendations after posting my list of my favorite queer fiction.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 March 2018 12:04 (six years ago) link

Carlo Emilio Gadda's The Experience of Pain will be one of the best reads of the year. It's akin to Kafka's America (this pure invention of a place) (which is of course not solely confined to that book, although they were possibly written around at the same time) and, in its misanthropy and general auto-fictional framework brings to mind Celine's Death on the Installment Plan. Its not really written like either and seems like a hodgepodge of styles for its first part, then settles to something more stable and addictive in the second (I do need to go back to part I) and some very powerful pages.

Carrying on the undercover modernism theme I am now giving Tsvetaeva's diaries Earthly Signs - Moscow Diaries: 1917-1922 a once over. I love her prose (Russian prose by poets was a thing) so I am glad to have more of it.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 16 March 2018 15:29 (six years ago) link

Many xps but the hearing trumpet does indeed take a bit of a swerve toward the end

scotti pruitti (wins), Friday, 16 March 2018 16:15 (six years ago) link

Starting to notice what could be called a musical effect/approach in some of the xpost Nocturnes: "Crooner"'s (apparently reliable and not too sad)narrator is a young-seeming guitarist from an unnamed, formerly "communist country," as he and other Euros ( def.incl. the trash-talking two-faced gondolier) always refer to it, culturally deprived category being more important than name. He's regarded as an anachronistic but necessary evil by anxious cafe etc. owners around the Venetian plaza: they're afraid the tourists won't see a guitar as traditional enough, even though it's antique-y as possible and the various little folk etc. ensembles sound better with it judging by wine sales etc. One day he spots an American crooner, the one his sad Mom loved from afar, wearing out his records way back in that communist country.

In "Malvern Hills," the narrator is also a young guitarist, who has left school with his little old acoustic, is unable to find work with London band, none of whom want anyone without equipment and pref. transport, especially "one of those wankers who go 'round writing songs, " which he is. He goes to stay with his sister and brother-in-law in their Malvern Hills cafe--they live upstairs, it's actually in the hills, mostly serving locals, they can't afford to pay him, but the idea is he's working for his room and board, the brother-in-law, especially, seems torn between reproaching him for not working harder and feeling guilty for expecting/depending on him to work at all (hey, he's a guest, he's a volunteer, he's family, he's working on songs dammit). Then he meets an older couple from the Continent, who are travelling musicians---pref. experimenting with Swiss folk music, but very often expected by cafe etc.owners to play and dress trad., also to play the Beatles, Carpenters, ABBA (the often loudly positive hubbie looks like Bjorn or Benny might in later middle age). They came after seeing a documentary about Elgar riding these hills on his bicycle (hub loves the look, more mercurial wife later says the area is like a little park).

dow, Friday, 16 March 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link

So the ?musical" part I meant is the way he repeats, varies, recombines elements of characterization and setting and plotting.

dow, Friday, 16 March 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link

Also the phrasing, pacing etc. are fluid enough without every getting gushy.

dow, Friday, 16 March 2018 16:58 (six years ago) link

Finished The Crucible of War, which was an interesting look at a period of history that I haven't read much about since high school. Looking for something a bit lighter now, so I think I'll try Alan Furst's Night Soldiers, which has been lying around the house since my wife bought it, and since I've read some positive things about him on the board.

o. nate, Saturday, 17 March 2018 02:13 (six years ago) link

We went through that song, full of travelling and goodbye. An American man leaving his woman. He keeps thinking of her as he passes through the towns one by one, verse by verse, Phoenix, Albuquerque, Oklahoma, driving down a long road, the way my mother never could. If only we could leave things behind like that---I guess that's what my mother would have thought. If only sadness could be like that.

I hate when novelists do this

"that song"

Number None, Saturday, 17 March 2018 15:13 (six years ago) link

All night long
We would sing that stupid song

Whiney On The Moog (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 17 March 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link

"that song" in reference to a title he had just mentioned, had mentioned several times.
I like the way his narrators never tell me too much. Why, for instance, after the security guard flips the lights on in the hotel ballroom about 3 a.m. to see what the ruckus is, does the LAPD cop not more extensively question the man and woman standing on stage? They tell him they've been looking for munchies, and he does wonder aloud why room service isn't good enough for them, judging by his own experience---he's a guest too; maybe he's off duty and on vacation, just wearing a suit and carrying his badge when the guard calls, but wanting to get back to his plush room (how can a cop afford this ritzy place?) The lady he's interviewing is wearing a very fine bathrobe, the fact that she and the gentleman are wearing bandages that cover their whole heads, except for mouths and eyes, evidently working in there somewhere, are further indications of status, which he may take into account (LAPD prob knows about the context). Better to back off, for now anyway.
And maybe the guy who sees them on another night, and comes up with his own tentative explanation in the form of a question, also knows when to go about his business, in this town of endless business permutations. The co-stars of "Nocturne" mean to stay on point too, but they just have to take the scenic route, especially when they get to the "go back to cover our tracks" fallacy (not so far from "spend money to make money," a given here). But there's much more to it---not too much, just typically spare and graceful and energetically generating textured details all along, for the right number of pages, although I hope the last story won't go to a downtempo ending, as usual----its titled "Cellists," so not expecting fireworks finale.

dow, Saturday, 17 March 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link

Finished A Room With A View. It does indeed feature a stronger positive female character than anything in Forster so far; it's also interesting that the book is actually quite affectionate towards the deadly Suburbs that Forster so despised in his previous two novels (all three written more or less at the same time, to be sure); Cecil, with his disdain for the family and high aspirations towards Art, is almost a dark version of Ansel from The Longest Journey. I repped for that book so long that now it's creaking a bit under the weight - and the breezy feeling of A Room With A View feels superior, which I guess lands me back into conventional wisdom. Howards End and A Passage To India should arrive at my local bookshop Monday. My first new purchases - I'd not read Room With A View before but had it laying around for years.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 17 March 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link

I just read the Life of Alfred the Great by the contemporary monk named Asser. It was hardly scintillating narrative prose, really very flat, barren even, but it has the virtue of brevity and does throw some light on a very unfamiliar period of English history, when the Vikings were about as powerful as the Saxons and ruled a good swath of now-English territory. I read a translation by Simon Keynes that was in a larger Penguin Classics volume about Alfred.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 17 March 2018 22:33 (six years ago) link

It's hard to commission this shit when you're still alive, and I worried about kids reading it.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 March 2018 22:41 (six years ago) link

Tore through a handful of books the last couple of weeks: lidia yuknavitch the book of Joan, Jennifer Egan look at me, chris petit the butchers of Berlin, trey ellis platitudes - all diverting and interesting and I might work up something half intelligent to say about some of them at some point but not today (I will say that platitudes has some of the funniest bits I've read in awhile); and now I'm on page 8 of correction and I feel like I'm wading through tar

scotti pruitti (wins), Sunday, 18 March 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link

So "Cellists," the last story in xpost Nocturnes, turns out to be a strong finish. Continuing the recombinant flow, we go back to the opening "Crooner"'s setting, the Venetian Piazza San Marco, with the hopeful cafe managers and tourists and pigeons and musos. "The big Czech guy with the alto sax," mentioned by the "Crooner" guitarist-narrator, tells this one, and an American lady appears, with a secret, a talent, a calling, none of them quite the same, keep thinking she's also from a story by Elizabeth Bowen, Katherine Mansfield, even, vibe-wise, Jane Bowen---but mainly she's another driving, veering, purposeful, impulsive, compulsive, improvising self-projecting muse-agents in the winter of discontent, racing the clock or feeling it, at least, one of the ones in all these stories (one's in two).
Good stuff. Could be quite different from the novels in some ways, at least judging by descriptions in the endpages of this Vintage International trade pb: grafs re An Artist of the Floating World, Never Let Me Go, A Pale View of Hills,The Remains of the Day, The Unconsoled, and When We Were Orphans.

dow, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link

Jane Bowles, not Bowen, of course! Sorry, Jane!

dow, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link

Just to confuse things further - there's an English photographer named Jane Bown. Here's a picture Bown took of Bowen:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/feb/15/elizabeth-bowen-author-fiction

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link

After dipping into James Baldwin's essays on Sunday night, last night I switched over to start one of his novels, Another Country, Lord Alfred's relative estimations of Baldwin as a great essayist and mediocre novelist notwithstanding.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 19:26 (six years ago) link


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