the fall > the plague > the outsider
― *-* (jim in vancouver), Friday, 14 October 2016 22:09 (nine years ago)
Read all of those. Didn't hate it or anything..
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 October 2016 22:16 (nine years ago)
kipling was a friggin' genius. there isn't anyone alive who can do everything he could do. i need more kipling.
who is someone who could write fiction and poetry as well as he could? i can't think of anyone.
― scott seward, Saturday, 15 October 2016 00:10 (nine years ago)
i wanna stay in his house. not cheap but it's right up the road!
http://landmarktrustusa.org/properties/rudyard-kiplings-naulakha/
― scott seward, Saturday, 15 October 2016 00:11 (nine years ago)
God it's actually incredible how much better the Irish are than all the others
― the kids are alt right (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 October 2016 00:15 (nine years ago)
My keep list would be something like this: the only Harry Martinson I've read is an epic sci-fi poem set on a spaceship, and it was great
1907 Rudyard Kipling 1913 Rabindranath Tagore 1920 Knut Hamsun 1923 William Butler Yeats 1928 Sigrid Undset 1929 Thomas Mann 1930 Sinclair Lewis 1933 Ivan Alekseyevich Bunin 1934 Luigi Pirandello 1936 Eugene O'Neill 1947 André Gide 1948 T. S. Eliot 1951 Pär Lagerkvist 1952 François Mauriac 1955 Halldór Laxness 1957 Albert Camus 1961 Ivo Andric 1962 John Steinbeck 1964 Jean-Paul Sartre (declined the prize)1968 Yasunari Kawabata 1969 Samuel Beckett 1971 Pablo Neruda 1972 Heinrich Böll 1973 Patrick White 1974 Harry Martinson 1978 Isaac Bashevis Singer 1980 Czesław Miłosz 1981 Elias Canetti 1983 William Golding 1986 Akinwande Oluwole Soyinka 1987 Joseph Brodsky 1988 Naguib Mahfouz 1995 Seamus Heaney 1996 Wisława Szymborska 1998 José Saramago 2002 Imre Kertész 2003 John Maxwell Coetzee 2004 Elfriede Jelinek 2005 Harold Pinter 2011 Tomas Tranströmer 2013 Alice Munro 2014 Patrick Modiano 2015 Svetlana Alexievich
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Saturday, 15 October 2016 01:23 (nine years ago)
Pre-Dylan, Muller and le Clezio seem like the last big mis-steps. Muller can be a good writer, but so utterly humourless, and le Clezio just seems like an overrated sadist.
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Saturday, 15 October 2016 01:28 (nine years ago)
i need to read more william golding. his post-piggy books always sound really interesting to me, but i always forget to look for them in used shops which is the only place i'd ever find them. plus, he had the best first edition covers ever.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7f/FreeFall.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/WillianGolding_TheInheritors.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2f/TheSpire.JPG
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/PincherMartin.jpg
― scott seward, Saturday, 15 October 2016 03:29 (nine years ago)
Actually Evil:
1953 Sir Winston Churchill2016 Bob Dylan
I LOLed
― (SNIFFING AND INDISTINCT SOBBING) (Tom D.), Saturday, 15 October 2016 10:08 (nine years ago)
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), 15. oktober 2016 03:28 (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I heard a lot of snickering at Modiano as well, or am I remembering it wrong?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 15 October 2016 10:30 (nine years ago)
I totally forgot until this second that Coetzee won the Nobel Prize, weird
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 15 October 2016 12:37 (nine years ago)
Anyway, Laxness's "Independent People" is one of the most magnificent things I've ever read, thank you Nobel committee for bringing it to my attention.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 15 October 2016 12:38 (nine years ago)
Mann - very boring technocratic prose in laying out of the issues in Magic Mountain. Musil was 10x better than this. I want to read his last novel tho'. Death in Venice is great and I do look for the edition of his diarie
You might respond differently to the translator and Joseph and His Brothers, which I finished three weeks ago and wanted another 1500 pages of. The mountains of historical detail reinvented by a self-consciously 20th century narrator provoked the right kind of dialectical thinking.
otoh Thomas Mann exists so that he can win Nobel Prizes.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 October 2016 12:41 (nine years ago)
Kipling's short stories are rather good: terse little things with a good ear for dialect that I'll pick over Hemingway's these days.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 October 2016 12:42 (nine years ago)
― scott seward, Friday, October 14, 2016
Hardy and Lawrence.
1970 Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn1972 Heinrich Böll1973 Patrick White
boy have I given these three a number of chances. Am I reading the right White? What's a good start?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 October 2016 12:46 (nine years ago)
I feel like Kipling and Yeats are the most imperishable here, but I haven't read most of the list. Kawabata is one I want to check out.
― jmm, Saturday, 15 October 2016 12:49 (nine years ago)
otoh Thomas Mann exists so that he can win Nobel Prizes.― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 October 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 October 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
He was born for it! Even now absolutely encapsulates what the Nobel for lit is about and...its not pretty.
I don't know, historical novels ain't my bag. My line on translation is that someone who speaks to me will do so even if I come across a translation that is regarded as bad. So if I'm not liking something its either because its something I am not disposed towards or its bad, or I am but I don't like the writing, or these are things I am not ready for just now (on that one Dostoevsky passed me by at 17 but now I'm good with him)
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 15 October 2016 12:54 (nine years ago)
Historical novels aren't mine either, but I loved the Joseph story as a kid and read Harold Bloom's The Book of J in college.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 October 2016 12:56 (nine years ago)
I'm surprised Milan Kundera didnt get a Nobel Prize
― Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Saturday, 15 October 2016 21:21 (nine years ago)
or Joyce!
― Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Saturday, 15 October 2016 21:22 (nine years ago)
Saul Bellow is the only writer on the list I'm not keen on
― Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Saturday, 15 October 2016 21:23 (nine years ago)
Felix Krull is a hoot
― salthigh, Saturday, 15 October 2016 21:32 (nine years ago)
yep
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 October 2016 21:34 (nine years ago)
making people listen to Patti Smith is kinda mean, Zim
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 December 2016 16:17 (nine years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AxfGzW7AdY
this prize wasn't as unjustified as people were saying last year
― treeship 2, Sunday, 7 January 2018 14:47 (eight years ago)
Louise she's all right she's just nearShe's delicate and seems like veneerBut she just makes it all too concise and too clearThat Johanna's not here
this is so mean. has to sting anyone who's been a "rebound"
― treeship 2, Sunday, 7 January 2018 14:57 (eight years ago)
It's more unjustified than people were saying last year, because in the interim Ashbery died and now can never win
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:07 (eight years ago)
Probably fairer to say he has won the only nobel prize that counts
― very stabbable gaius (wins), Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:10 (eight years ago)
An argument for giving Dril the Prize for Literature - though I suspect this would be complicated by the fact that, iirc, multiple people actually run that account.
The point of the Nobel Prize in Literature is — according to its own stated aims — to honor an author from any country who has produced, as the original Swedish puts it: “den som inom litteraturen har producerat det mest framstående verket i en idealisk riktning,” or, as this line is usually translated: “in the field of literature the most outstanding work in an ideal direction.”In the past, this translation has been fraught with controversy. The Swedish word “idealisk” can apparently be translated either as “ideal” or “idealistic”, but either way, no one is quite sure what it means. In the award’s early years, writers who had dedicated their careers to aesthetic realism (as opposed to idealism) tended to be passed over. Thus the French poet and essayist Sully Prudhomme won the award in the Nobel's first year, 1901, but his countryman Emile Zola, whose work has proved far more enduring, was never honored. More recently, the phrase “ideal direction” has been interpreted to mean something more like the championing of certain liberal, humanitarian ideals, hence why so many laureates seem to be awarded the prize, at least in part, for their political commitments and beliefs — Russian novelist Alexander Solzhenitsyn or Nigerian playwright Wole Soyinka challenging the authoritarian regimes they lived under; British playwright Harold Pinter taking a vocal stance against the Iraq War.So does Dril's work move in an “ideal direction”? Upon proper consideration of his work, it would be hard to argue that it doesn't. Dril is a remarkable writer whose work not only helps us understand but helps us to respond to the world in which we are forced to exist.
In the past, this translation has been fraught with controversy. The Swedish word “idealisk” can apparently be translated either as “ideal” or “idealistic”, but either way, no one is quite sure what it means. In the award’s early years, writers who had dedicated their careers to aesthetic realism (as opposed to idealism) tended to be passed over. Thus the French poet and essayist Sully Prudhomme won the award in the Nobel's first year, 1901, but his countryman Emile Zola, whose work has proved far more enduring, was never honored. More recently, the phrase “ideal direction” has been interpreted to mean something more like the championing of certain liberal, humanitarian ideals, hence why so many laureates seem to be awarded the prize, at least in part, for their political commitments and beliefs — Russian novelist Alexander Solzhenitsyn or Nigerian playwright Wole Soyinka challenging the authoritarian regimes they lived under; British playwright Harold Pinter taking a vocal stance against the Iraq War.
So does Dril's work move in an “ideal direction”? Upon proper consideration of his work, it would be hard to argue that it doesn't. Dril is a remarkable writer whose work not only helps us understand but helps us to respond to the world in which we are forced to exist.
https://theoutline.com/post/7245/give-the-nobel-prize-to-dril
― Simon H., Tuesday, 26 March 2019 14:12 (seven years ago)
Thought it was one person.
In any case scientists often share the prize for a single discovery.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 14:41 (seven years ago)
Longtime co-authors or collectives should absolutely be eligible for a literature prize. dril is Luther Blissett
― A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 17:16 (seven years ago)
oh it's a twitter account? Lmao
― brimstead, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 17:31 (seven years ago)
give it simon hedges
― PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 18:13 (seven years ago)
This annual piece feels a bit recycled now.
Anyway good to see Michon make it to the bookmaker list.
Why are people pissing and moaning about this @alex_shephard thing on the Nobel? It's really funny, y'all need to take more drugs or something. https://t.co/rBszYNRdPp— Adrian Nathan West (@a_nathanwest) October 4, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 07:57 (three years ago)
So I love Tokarczuk, Saramago, used to love Ishiguro but his last two were rubbish, read one Gurnah which was pretty good, Marquez is fine, Munro is fine but I prefer novels, don't really care for Lessing, not bothered about Coetzee, don't want to read Naipaul... who should I try next?
― ledge, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 08:22 (three years ago)
sir winston churchill 👶🏻
― mark s, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 08:54 (three years ago)
1922 Jacinto Benavente
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 08:57 (three years ago)
Actual answer. I am not going to read it, but I hear good things about it.
https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/451279/kristin-lavransdatter-by-undset-sigrid/9780143039167
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 09:03 (three years ago)
ideal choice - female author, "attempted human sacrifice, floods, fights, murders, violent suicide, a gay king, drunken revelry, the Bubonic Plague", and it will beef up my pre 1980 album which only has half a dozen stickers in (pasternak, camus, steinbeck, faulkner, hesse, hamsun).
― ledge, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 09:28 (three years ago)
In the early days there's a lot of Scandinavian names so you get the accusations that it was parochial.
But here you have one of them that's been plucked from obscurity, re-packaged as post-Ferrante.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 09:41 (three years ago)
yep, congrats to the penguin marketing department on that one.
― ledge, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 09:42 (three years ago)
I believe there was a somewhat recent film adaptation of it as well, directed by Liv Ullmann.
― Misirlou Sunset (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 09:43 (three years ago)
1995. Time flies.
― Misirlou Sunset (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 09:45 (three years ago)
Tagore's short stories are good.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 10:12 (three years ago)
Tagore kind of lives on through the Satyajit Ray connection.
― Misirlou Sunset (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 10:45 (three years ago)
also not wanting to give the Nobel ppl undue credit but 1913 is pretty early to consider going beyond the eurocentric, no?
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 10:47 (three years ago)
Anyone read any Claude Simon? One of those nouveau roman writers I've never tried
― Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 10:49 (three years ago)
Ha, no, but I remember he was on my list once as well to investigate.
― Misirlou Sunset (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 10:53 (three years ago)
Yes, Simon is great. Check out Flanders Road, it's been reissued.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 11:09 (three years ago)
Lucky Per (by Pontoppidan) is great
― Tight steel. Alien forces. Megamachine vs. the sleazers. (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 October 2025 17:03 (seven months ago)
and yeah it's in print
https://penguinrandomhousehighereducation.com/book/?isbn=9781101908099
Correction: these names. Apparently Pontoppidan is still read in Danish. otoh, Wikipedia notes of Gjellerup, "Today Gjellerup is almost forgotten in Denmark."
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 9 October 2025 17:06 (seven months ago)
I can see why Gjellerup fell out of favor. His most well known book is about a European going to the Far East and discovering Buddhism.
― Tight steel. Alien forces. Megamachine vs. the sleazers. (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 October 2025 17:12 (seven months ago)
A Fortunate Man has an NYRB English language edition
― bulb after bulb, Thursday, 9 October 2025 17:35 (seven months ago)
The White Bear too
― Tight steel. Alien forces. Megamachine vs. the sleazers. (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 October 2025 17:38 (seven months ago)
I love the idea of sitting down by the side of a brook and not leaving until you've talked with someone who has read a book by László Krasznahorkai.
― the way out of (Eazy), Thursday, 9 October 2025 17:56 (seven months ago)
Could take years.
To meet someone who has read one or to read one?
― Seductive Barrytown (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 October 2025 18:16 (seven months ago)
Pontoppidan was fully deserving. Everyone should read Lucky Per. And my guess would be everyone on the Nobel committee has read it.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 9 October 2025 20:39 (seven months ago)
Lucky Per was wonderful!
― The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 October 2025 20:42 (seven months ago)
get ready to learn hungarian buddy— a*dan f (@henribergson666) October 9, 2025
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 October 2025 08:47 (seven months ago)
Szirtes has written a little poem for LK.
FOR LKIn this translation you will look in vain for afull-stop, Stops are there,but hard to find. Keepsearching. Oh look, there is one!He must have takenbreath. Time can stand stillfor the blink of a whale's eye.Then the whale goes down,spouting as it dives.— George Szirtes (@george_szirtes) October 9, 2025
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 October 2025 08:57 (seven months ago)
do whales spout as they dive? this seems unlikely
(i have read moby-dick and know everything about the great fish)
― mark s, Friday, 10 October 2025 09:07 (seven months ago)
I would google this and get an AI hallucination saying yes.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 October 2025 09:15 (seven months ago)
Eat Pray Love
― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 10 October 2025 10:32 (seven months ago)
only foolish whales spout as they dive. wise whales inhale and hold their breath before diving, then spout as they surface.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 10 October 2025 16:21 (seven months ago)
Sátántangó is an amazing film by Béla Tarr from 1994, based on László Krasznahorkai's first novel from 1985, which was only translated into English in 2012. A dozen of his other novels have been translated into English since then, but so far this is his only novel that is available on audio
Tarr also filmed The Melancholy of Resistance (1989) which is among Krasznahorkai’s best-known works, as Werckmeister Harmonies in 2000, another great film.
Krasznahorkai's themes seem to involve a surreal atmosphere, dense prose, and an exploration of societal collapse
Like with Jon Fosse (who won the Nobel Prize in 2023), his books are filled with endless run-on sentences, but where Fosse delivers a simple stream-of-consciouness sentence that lasts for a whole 7-part novel, Krasznahorkai's writing is filled with complicated clauses and subclauses with no breaks for a chapter. Both novelists are really interesting and their books lend themselves to an audio format
― Dan S, Saturday, 11 October 2025 00:18 (seven months ago)