Who will be the next American to win the Nobel Prize for Literature?

"just so they can bang on about the same thing they bang on about in a hundred other threads"

new board description...

A dingus, you were too in this thread.

shout out to the yoda-like form of this sentence + bonus lol at dingus hyperlinked

it's funny when you're not really caught up with a thread and have no idea ppl were beefing in it, come in, make some post, and then get xp'd by, like, "Fuck me, Fuck Him, Fuck you and fuck the horse you rode in" lmao

it's not nitpicking to criticise the nobel literature prize going to a guy who had a book published as a byproduct of his work "in some way or other".

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, October 14, 2016 1:24 PM (twenty-seven seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

okay, fair enough. i suggested this type of criticism was contentious in my original post

i sympathize with both sides though

Lol flopson

"Jumping into a thread you aren't participating in to personally insult a poster is trolling behaviour, plan and simple. No matter if it's correct, it's turning an argument into a pileup. Everybody, including me, understood that people disagreed with me, jim gave nothing new to this discussion except a personal insult. Fuck him, and fuck you for trying to get me banned for responding, LBI.

― Frederik B

Relax, dude.. "Fp'd you for that" doesn't actually mean one actually fp'd you. Most here prefer fp'ing in silence, as it's supposed to be. Your bell isn't even close to tolling, trust me. Keep it up with the "fuck you'd" tho tbf

i really liked dylan's autobio. he's really smart. i don't usually read bios/autobios.

I fpd Fred for that and for being unable to ilx

LBI normally I would take it easy, but just yesterday a prominent poster got thread banned, so I don't think it's funny today. I think it's threatening. Sorry for being a relatively new poster, but I was shocked at Morbs just all of a sudden being thrown off the board without anyone knowing why, and I think your 'joke' was in poor taste today.

no, I'm Spartacus

mores was banned for accumulation of fps. he regularly, albeit with no criminal intent, wishes death or physical violence on other posters, and, being really charitable here, occasionally comes off as misogynistic and anti-semitic.

Fpartacus

xp. being banal at length is unlikely to garner the same reaction

xp loool gutted i missed that

It's all u man u know that

I'm pretty sure if we include his books the quality goes way down.

― Frederik B, Friday, October 14, 2016 6:31 PM (two hours ago)

dylan's autobio received p much universally positive reviews, fyi

Morbs wasn't "suddenly" thrown off the board. Poor bastard is ilx silverware, with a long standing record of borderline anti-Semitic remarks and trolling. He was raking up the fp's as he went along. He'll be back in 30 days, not changed a bit, and will repeat the same cycle ad infinitum, something we've grown to hate and love him for. You are flattering yourself if you think you are fp-worthy tbh. Tag det roligt. And learn to ilx ffs.

fp'd all of you just for good measure

YOU'RE ON NOTICE

i think maybe five posters ever have been 51'd? something like that

to my knowledge they were all richly deserved

I'm in the politics threads, I know his drill. He wrote he hoped a horse would trample me recently. But the way the fp system works, it seemed WAY sudden, and came as quite a shock.

JD, there's an area between getting universally positive reviews for a celebrity biography, and deserving the nobel...

Anyways the next American to win should be Pynchon. And if it's 20 years to the next one, I'm guessing Ta-nehisi Coates. For his essays and comics work.

Let's have an American win every year.

Pynchon is unreadable beatnik garbage.

groovy, man, pass that reefer...

“I am the twentieth century. I am the ragtime and the tango; sans-serif, clean geometry. I am the virgin's-hair whip and the cunningly detailed shackles of decadent passion. I am every lonely railway station in every capital of Europe. I am the Street, the fanciless buildings of government. the cafe-dansant, the clockwork figure, the jazz saxophone, the tourist-lady's hairpiece, the fairy's rubber breasts, the travelling clock which always tells the wrong time and chimes in different keys. I am the dead palm tree, the Negro's dancing pumps, the dried fountain after tourist season. I am all the appurtenances of night.”

That's a parody of beat poetry, Scott. Quite well made, imo.

Two lines later it says 'She made a paper airplane out of the poem and sailed it across the room on strata of her own smoke.'

Its like a parody of what someone thinks Beat writing is.

Still Pynchon should win the Nobel and send Dylan to accept it. xp

JD, there's an area between getting universally positive reviews for a celebrity biography, and deserving the nobel...

― Frederik B, Friday, October 14, 2016 9:14 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago)

good grief, i was responding to your statement that including dylan's books would reduce the overall "quality" of his work. do you ever respond to any criticism of anything you say without trying to change the subject?

I responded to what you said. People think his lyrics deserved the nobel. I said there's an area between good reviews and deserving the nobel. Ergo a well reviewed book could still reduce the quality of his work compared to the lyrics.

good grief

How about this song from a lovelorn wittgensteinian? A better lyric than anything Dylan ever wrote!

It is something less than heaven
To be quoted Thesis 1.7
Every time I make an advance;
If the world is all that the case is
That’s a pretty discouraging basis
On which to pursue
Any sort of romance.
I’ve got a proposition for you;
Logical, positive and brief.
And at least it could serve as a kind of comic relief:

[Refrain]
Let P equal me,
With my heart in command;
Let Q equal you
With Tractatus in hand;
And R could stand for a lifetime of love,
Filled with music to fondle and purr to.
We’ll define love as anything lovely you’d care to infer to.
On the right, put that bright,
Hypothetical case;
On the left, our uncleft,
Parenthetical chase.
And that horseshoe there in the middle
Could be lucky; we’ve nothing to lose,
If in these parentheses
We just mind our little P’s
And Q’s.

If P [Mafia sang in reply] thinks of me
As a girl hard to make,
Then Q wishes you
Would go jump in the lake.
For R is a meaningless concept,
Having nothing to do with pleasure:
I prefer the hard and tangible things I can measure.
Man, you chase in the face
Of impossible odds;
I’m a lass in the class
Of unbossable broads.
If you’ll promise no more sticky phrases,
Half a mo while I kick off my shoes.
There are birds, there are bees,
And to hell with all your P’s
And Q’s.

And B's

did you read the book?

normally I would take it easy, but just yesterday a prominent poster got thread banned, so I don't think it's funny today

btw ur gonna be the next dane to win the Nobel Prize, for this post

Which one JD?

the one i mean is "chronicles." (i haven't read "tarantula.")

Okay, I was confused because I was just quoting V. No, I haven't read Chronicles, and in all honesty, it's probably better than Wiggle Wiggle. The standard for nobel winning autobiography is pretty darn high, though, and nothing I've heard about Chronicles suggest it's up there.

Imo the only good thing about Nobel Prize is that normal ppl get to read one or two articles per year about chemists, physicists etc. with successful research programs, successful or notable activists, and writers perhaps famous in their own countries but perhaps unknown or even largely un-translated. every decade or so you have to give it to intellectuals who broke through into popular consciousness like Einstein or Friedman or Marquez thereby spoiling the value of the prize, but that's the exception and, while it would be efficient not to award it to them, it would be too great a blow to the integrity of the prize. so giving it to Dylan, who p much everyone in the world already knows, and isn't even really, like, I mean the songs are good imo don't get me wrong, but no one would be rioting in the streets of Stockholm if he never got one, just totally upends everything I like about the ritual

― flopson, Friday, October 14, 2016 7:52 PM (two hours ago)

as much as i love dylan i think i p much agree with this take. i like that nobels tend to highlight ppl who wouldn't otherwise get wide recognition, so i'm a little disappointed that a lot of the responses to this were "why didn't delillo/roth/pynchon/murakami get it?" when all of those ppl already get plenty of attention. (it would be kind of cool to see how pynchon would collect his award, admittedly.)

Chronicles also contains chunks of stolen writing, ie plagiarism

he is the best stealer! he stole from mezz mezzrow, jack london, and time magazine. that is SO dylan. #PoMo #KathyAcker4ever

Bob Dylan winning Nobel is like when fine arts museums have an exhibit on ``The Art of Walt Disney'' or ``The Beatles''

I'm a pretty big believer in 'give the unthinking hordes what they want' but ffs

Or 'The Art of Bob Dylan'. Denmark's biggest art film festival is devoting it's yearly retrospective to the films of Neil Young this year.

Where's the idea that the Nobel prize is for the ilx contrarian antipopulist cabal coming from?

Fuck giving it to Dylan but also fuck the above too imo

If you had read my post carefully, you'll see that I said it's important that the Nobel is not restricted to the obscure (and of course I only mean obscure to the general population, not within their fields, within which they should be stars) to preserve its integrity. Dylan is bad because he is known to the general population AND hurts the integrity of the prize (not actually well-regard within field of literature)

The above in my post refers to my own first line fwiw. Coming across a little aggressive on rereading.

Wasn't a direct response to any one post flopson, but to an opinion offered repeatedly in the general discussion

ok punk

;-)

Where's the idea that the Nobel prize is for the ilx contrarian antipopulist cabal coming from?

ignoring that wording - i like populist books just fine, the idea that less popular writers win it comes from... the winners.

Where's the idea that the Nobel prize is for the ilx contrarian antipopulist cabal coming from?

oops

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_in_Literature

nearest analogue in the list so far is winston churchill imo, then maybe kipling? (obv* i have not read all of them)

*i say obv even tho it hurts my ilx branding a bit

ps i have read all of kipling except some of his many many poems probably and his novel the light that failed

pps also i expect he wrote op eds that began "why oh why have we not colonised GREENLAND yet it is past time" i haven't read them