Who will be the next American to win the Nobel Prize for Literature?

ya he shd do another one

He sang like a professional criminal

this is the line that always made me laugh

“I really was never any more than what I was -a folk musician who gazed into the gray mist with tear-blinded eyes and made up songs that floated in a luminous haze.”

these kinds of lines are really funny to me too. his transparently disingenuous "golly gee" mode

kinda mad that Marias isn't more highly favored

in re: Bob Dylan's Nobel Prize for Literature

This man has sold a gazillion units of vinyl, CD and downloadable whatnot. It's like he hit an oil well that never stops pumping money. The committee that awards the prize kind of regards that kind of commercial success as too crass to deserve Nobel recognition. Modest plaudits among the public at large, complemented by a high esteem within academia, seems to be the best way to punch your ticket.

dude lives on a tour bus 11 months out of the year

dude could buy his own fleet of Lear jets if he wanted to

ITT -_------->>> pictures of william t vollmann (no shops allowed)

if Dylan bought a fleet of Lear jets it would bankrupt him tbrr

i don't think he should win the prize, but if the issue is him being "compromised" by corporate success i don't think it's applicable in his situation. he was destined to spend his life trying to expand the possibilities of the folk song whether it led him to fame or poverty. this is what i think based on everything i know about him.

his success seems coincidental and sort of arbitrary to the music he creates. not totally arbitrary obviously, but relatively so. much as could reasonably be expected

http://i.imgur.com/HYksNIp.png

this thread went in a great direction

now i am wondering what would happen if lagoon revealed that i was worth 180 million dollars. would ilxors resent this? would they opportunistically try to become closer to me? or, a third option, would they treat me exactly the same?

i actually sincerely think the third option is what would happen, and that is why ilx is superior to the nobel prize selection committee

can i have like a million dollars

just interjecting to say nobody who has done a chrysler commercial should win the Nobel prize for literature

well aren't you just blah blah blah and et cetera

sorry i need to go to sleep

i live by a simple code

I don't especially care that Mr. Zimmerman has a vast net worth derived from his artistic endeavors. I've always enjoyed a large fraction of his output. But I suspect a certain gaggle of self-important Swedes would never see him as a worthy recipient, so I'd never risk a penny betting on him getting it.

lol peace activist

tbf, they list it after disc jockey

he makes money at that one!

paul muldoon >>>> bob dylan

Bob Dylan should get the peace prize

He seems peaceful enough

"All those evil motherfuckers can rot in hell."

The odds make little or no sense, but that's novelty odds I guess

get the sense that Murakami's chances are increasing year by year, but I think it's dumb money that really pushes him to favourite (the heuristic seems to be something like "is non-anglophone, have heard of, is literary/rated").

I'm a bit surprised that Kundera's down with the long shots (20/1 and longer, say), but then no-one seems to talk about him now. Did people just switch off when he moved into French?

Don Paterson being on the list at all is quite odd. Maybe ppl thought a Scot would get it if they voted yes?

Handke at 12/1 seems v short, given the fuss over the Ibsen award.

japanese identity is what the narrator is looking for in the well, i think, but he doesn't find it and eventually he stops looking. this solution to japan's national shame might be unsatisfying but it seems preferable to mishima's fate.

I think you are reaching. iirc Murakami isn't that preoccupied with Japanese identity as much as Mishima or Kawabata.

Murakami seems a bit light for the Nobel, but the Nobel is always good at confusing people - some years its 'political' on the left, then right, then something else.

In terms of people you (or the bookies) never heard of she might be good:

http://www.seagullindia.com/books/md.asp?cbosearch=category&txtkeyword=Selected%20Works%20of%20Mahasweta Devi

Learjet 85's private, high-tech luxury to cost a mere Learjet 85's private, high-tech luxury to cost a mere $20.8M0.8M

Dylan can only afford eight lear jets before he's toast

that's not even enough to fly the band and road crew let alone the caterers

https://twitter.com/lrb currently running through archive articles on the favourites

Patrick Modiano won

xp murakami only seems interested in japanese history and identity in the wind up bird chronicle. but questions about japan are always looming in his books as an absent presence due to how thoroughly "americanized" things seem.

Modiano seems like Le Clezio in 2008. Someone in the academy likes this kind of french stuff. Of course, I say this without having read a line of Modiano, but his wiki-page seems dull!

Seems boring like Le Clezio, was what I meant to write.

re: Murakami. to me he is lamely referencing western pop culture as opposed to the other Japanese authors like Mishima who had nationalist leanings. I don't think -- and its been a few years -- the referencing ever leads to questions around history and identity

France has the most Nobel laureates in literature by some margin and a high percentage of them are boring, forgotten novelists.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/emma-brockes-column/2014/oct/09/patrick-modiano-nobel-prize-literature-prize-philip-roth-loser

Within mins there is an article fit for the question the thread is asking.

xp

that doesn't seem true! or they might be boring but they aren't forgotten. Roger Martin du Gard is the only whose name's a total blank for me.

JOHN D WUZ ROBBED

OK OK I exaggerated, their Nobel record probably isn't worse than most other countries. But JMG Le Clezio was the worst selection of the last several years.

My favourite French writers are Celine, Proust, Duras and Genet (and a few other poets too) and none of them have won it.

There is a piece on Modiano in the LRB (Michael Wood). A quote about 'time' again and I don't think I can finish it.

Re: Proust - this was interesting on the wiki page for the prize:

Nobel's choice of emphasis on idealism in his criteria for the Nobel Prize in Literature has led to recurrent controversy. In the original Swedish, the word idealisk translates as either "idealistic" or "ideal".[2] In the early twentieth century, the Nobel Committee interpreted the intent of the will strictly. For this reason, they did not award certain world-renowned authors of the time such as James Joyce, Leo Tolstoy, Anton Chekhov, Marcel Proust, Henrik Ibsen, and Henry James.[4]

Joyce and Proust were never even nominated

found out by dicking around with this:

http://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/literature/database.html

The Royal Swedish Academy’s appointed judges themselves say they don’t like the effects of the creative writing school battery farms on the New York publishing scene

redlined: no matter your talent, perspective, or volume/quality of creative work there's always some middle aged French guy to whom they'd rather award the prize

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