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(a maths pedant writes: tesseracts are specifically 4d, hypercube is the generic name for > 3 dimensions)

koogs, Thursday, 10 July 2014 15:00 (eleven years ago)

iirc i liked the second & third ones better as a kid

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 July 2014 17:08 (eleven years ago)

Bought the CL Moore, Kuttner and Sturgeon omnibus books, more expensive than I though they were. Also Moorcock's Travelling To Utopia collection.
The new Moorcock reissues are 28 books in total. I don't don't think it is his complete output though, the short story collections are "best of"s.

I questioned the Gollancz website and they said they are working on the Masterworks lists and might add a Gateway Omnibus list.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 10 July 2014 17:56 (eleven years ago)

Moorcock didnt really do a ton of short fiction afaik. P sure he has more than 28 books tho (some of which are terrible). P confident I have all the good stuff already.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 July 2014 19:17 (eleven years ago)

Black Corridor def the most interesting of the novellas in TTU

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 July 2014 19:23 (eleven years ago)

I think I remember reading that Moorcock had written over 100 novels...?

it's not rocker science (WilliamC), Thursday, 10 July 2014 19:25 (eleven years ago)

I notice a few things missing, most notably the Oswald Bastable books (which are some of my favorites). Site is kinda weird to navigate though, maybe I'm just not seeing it. Dont see the Mars books either.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 July 2014 19:29 (eleven years ago)

or is his book about Hawkwind (lol) or the Pyat books (which are probably my favorite)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 July 2014 19:34 (eleven years ago)

they did include a bunch of his crappier early novels for some reason (no one needs to read the Chinese Agent)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 July 2014 19:35 (eleven years ago)

I don't mean he's only ever did 28 books, but there are are that many in his newest reissue series, most of which contain 3 or 4 of his old books.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 10 July 2014 21:15 (eleven years ago)

right, I was just confirming that it's not his complete output, there are definitely chunks missing

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 July 2014 21:25 (eleven years ago)

Bastable books are contained in Nomad Of Time and mars books are in Kane Of Old Mars.

No sight of Mother London or the Pyat books but I think that's because they aren't SF or fantasy (or are they?) This reissue series only covers SF and fantasy stuff.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 10 July 2014 21:28 (eleven years ago)

huh ok I didn't see those listed

Pyat is sort of uncategorizable - he is a character from the Cornelius Quartet, but it's basically a historical novel by a v unreliable narrator. there aren't any explicitly SF elements, beyond various characters from other sci-fi novels showing up

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 July 2014 21:38 (eleven years ago)

Seems the new edition of Von Ben taken out Brothel In Rosenstrasse.

Breakfast In Ruins, Chinese Agent, Russian Intelligence, the Second Ether books, the Sexton Blake/Zenith books and a bunch from the last two decades aren't included either.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 10 July 2014 21:56 (eleven years ago)

Von Bek not Von Ben!

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 10 July 2014 21:58 (eleven years ago)

Actually the Second Ether series is collected in War Amongst The Angels.
Brothel In Rosenstrasse isn't included because it's a realistic romance book.

So apart from Doctor Who, Sexton Blake/Zenith and a collaboration with Storm Constantine, this is a very comprehensive collection of his SF/fantasy.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 10 July 2014 22:45 (eleven years ago)

koogs: well that's what she said; dog nose where she got it (book published in '63, h'mm). mookieproof, did you prefer the second and third dimensions, or second and third books? All of the above? I prefer those dimensions, may check out the books; SFE also indicates further developments.
Unearthed an ancient paperback, Moorcock's Warlord of the Air---good? (And what Dr. Who did he write??)

dow, Thursday, 10 July 2014 22:51 (eleven years ago)

Warlord of the Air is great

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 July 2014 23:08 (eleven years ago)

Moorcock did Doctor Who: Coming Of The Terraphiles in 2010

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 10 July 2014 23:21 (eleven years ago)

Looks good, thanks!
http://www.strangehorizons.com/reviews/2011/03/doctor_who_the_.shtml

dow, Thursday, 10 July 2014 23:31 (eleven years ago)

I'll check out Warlord too.

dow, Thursday, 10 July 2014 23:32 (eleven years ago)

Btw earlier I was looking at the orion reprints, not the gollancz ones so uh ignore all my posts. His stuff has been reprinted a lot, forgive me

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 July 2014 23:39 (eleven years ago)

Orion owns Gollancz, so it probably is the same line you were looking at, but the whole series isn't finished yet but should be by the end of the year.

I wonder why he did that Doctor Who book? I don't know him but I can't imagine him itching to do one or that it gave him lots of money he badly needed. Maybe just a fun little challenge.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 11 July 2014 12:12 (eleven years ago)

Here's the complete Gollancz list, including release dates, ebook exclusives and which omnibuses include which books...
http://www.multiverse.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Michael_Moorcock_Collection

The more I've been reading about this, the more I've found how much territorial rights difficulties there are. I assumed that Gollancz books can be easily found in USA but they have to be imported. Some books have had to be renamed, sometimes the print or ebook rights are different to different countries. I think sometimes even the artwork gets into these problems too.
People in UK are not allowed to buy from the Jack Vance ebook site.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 11 July 2014 14:35 (eleven years ago)

I haven't read the Dr. Who book (not sure I want to). No idea why he did it - probably just good, easy money.

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 July 2014 15:42 (eleven years ago)

Yeah, many of those Gateways are n/a in US, unfortunately.

Don't Want To Know If Only You Were Lonely (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 11 July 2014 16:38 (eleven years ago)

I probably should have noted the book titles by Vance and Tanith Lee I do like

Vance: Rhialto The Marvelous, Lurulu, Eyes Of The Overworld, Languages Of Pao; Strange People, Queer Notions; This Is Me, Jack Vance, or, More Properly, This Is I.

Tanith Lee: Drinking Sapphire Wine, Here In Cold Hell, Delirium's Mistress, Faces Under Water, Forests Of The Night, Cold Grey Stones; Red as Blood, or Tales from the Sisters Grimmer.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 11 July 2014 16:44 (eleven years ago)

This Is Me, Jack Vance, or, More Properly, This Is I.
Interesting. The reviews are so were pretty much uniformly dismissive.

Don't Want To Know If Only You Were Lonely (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 11 July 2014 16:46 (eleven years ago)

No I mean the title names, as we were discussing above how dull and generic most of their titles were. I haven't read any of these yet.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 11 July 2014 16:53 (eleven years ago)

I remember it being said of Vance and Robert Bloch's autobios that they weren't very revealing and many men of their generations rarely open up all their deepest thoughts and feelings.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 11 July 2014 17:47 (eleven years ago)

That's certainly characteristic of Vance. He also refused to talk shop on almost all occasions.

Neil Sekada (Jon Lewis), Friday, 11 July 2014 19:07 (eleven years ago)

Can't recall if I've talked about that upthread but on YouTube I listened to a radio interview with Vance in which he says alternate history books are interesting, but when someone else starts enthusing about Man In The Highcastle, Vance appears to change his mind and start saying that alternate history is totally pointless! I had to keep rewinding to make sure he really did abruptly change his opinion.

It disappointed his fans when he dispassionately claimed that he only wrote SF/fantasy for money and the only reason he'd read any new genre work was if he was selling poorly, to find out what everyone else was doing better.
On some occasions people caught him being more passionate about his writing, saying he felt his work deserved to be more popular and proudly saying "my fans are not stupid". But it seems like it taken some work to get him to enthuse about his influences.

I don't know why he was so reluctant to show enthusiasm for what he did.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 11 July 2014 19:43 (eleven years ago)

The public Vance was all mannerism, veils, contrariness and faux-naivete. The writing belies it all.

Neil Sekada (Jon Lewis), Friday, 11 July 2014 19:46 (eleven years ago)

Yeah, but why on earth did he do that?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 11 July 2014 22:21 (eleven years ago)

Wonder

Don't Want To Know If Only You Were Lonely (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 11 July 2014 22:57 (eleven years ago)

It's why some people write.
Entirely new entry (replacing old) for La Jetee:
http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/jetee_la

dow, Friday, 11 July 2014 23:21 (eleven years ago)

Spoileriffic, but I knew the plot before I saw it, only added to the impact/

dow, Friday, 11 July 2014 23:22 (eleven years ago)

tl;dr but will read later for sure

Don't Want To Know If Only You Were Lonely (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 12 July 2014 00:07 (eleven years ago)

It's why some people write.

Exactly. Think R.A. Lafferty was a perfect example.

Don't Want To Know If Only You Were Lonely (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 12 July 2014 00:09 (eleven years ago)

I understand writing for wonder, but being so reluctant to show passion for your work among fans and professionals is strange.
If he sounded more embarrassed I would imagine he was so scarred by bullying that he couldn't be more open even to a welcoming audience, but I don't think that is the case.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 12 July 2014 12:09 (eleven years ago)

"Wonder" was short for "I wonder."

Don't Want To Know If Only You Were Lonely (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 12 July 2014 12:17 (eleven years ago)

I thought I might have made that mistake

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 12 July 2014 14:20 (eleven years ago)

He wants to have it both ways. And leave the mundane, ass-scratching, bill-paying, typewriting Jack out of the public eye all together.

dow, Saturday, 12 July 2014 21:04 (eleven years ago)

He's a dr strange who wants to present as a Ben Grimm.

Neil Sekada (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 12 July 2014 22:05 (eleven years ago)

So, there's also what might well be not even a trend, much less a subgenre, but once in a great while I spot a vulture-like sort of Western Gothic, calmly if avidly accepting the challenge of a sun- and moon-stripped landscape, later for your swamps, castles and urban fantasy menu of kinky textures. Yet with plenty of white light atmosphere, and tempos picked up at will.
I was reminded of this when I received the latest smoke signal from Subterrranean, re yet another lavishly limited edition of Red Country
http://subterraneanpress.com/uploads/Red_Country_by_Joe_Abercrombie.jpg
dark-starring Joe Abercrombie's young female desperado, Shy South, whom I first encountered early on in Dozois & RR Martin's trans-genre anth, Dangerous Women, described upthread. At that point, she's all nerves, skills, painful hopes (like surviving another five minutes)(and, even more unreasonably, 'bout making it over the horizon line one more time). No ghouls or ghosts yet, except the ones you might have to peel off in everyday crises, depending on who, what and where you are--hey it's free ( as generously posted by Tor) http://www.tor.com/stories/2013/11/some-desperado-joe-abercrombie

dow, Monday, 14 July 2014 21:54 (eleven years ago)

(The mass-ed. Red Country was published in '12.)

dow, Monday, 14 July 2014 21:58 (eleven years ago)

have never abercrombied. Due to other recent chatter itt, have started R McCammon's Speaks the Nightbird. Early days yet but I'm pretty fucking finicky when I am in the first chapter of a novel and I ain't thrown it away so far. Some signs of possible authorial doofusness but we'll see.

Neil Sekada (Jon Lewis), Monday, 14 July 2014 22:12 (eleven years ago)

Oh yeah, I still need to check him too. Meanwhile, I prefer the UK PB's cover art:

http://www.joeabercrombie.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/red-country-uk-pb.jpg

dow, Monday, 14 July 2014 22:22 (eleven years ago)

I am super digging the Women Destroy Science Fiction issue of Lightsaber Magazine - http://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/special-issues/women-destroy-sf/table-of-contents/.

carl agatha, Monday, 14 July 2014 22:35 (eleven years ago)

Thanks for the link! Take at a look at the aforementioned Dangerous Women---thought most of it was good, though couldn't finish the George RR Martin slog (at least it was at the end)

dow, Monday, 14 July 2014 22:50 (eleven years ago)


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