― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 3 December 2005 04:06 (twenty years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Saturday, 3 December 2005 04:12 (twenty years ago)
i have a search function, you know
― Josh (Josh), Saturday, 3 December 2005 06:07 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Sunday, 4 December 2005 00:12 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 4 December 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Sunday, 4 December 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)
― the bellefox, Monday, 5 December 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)
& oh hey thanx josh
― tom west (thomp), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)
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― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Monday, 5 December 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)
Moby-Dick is back on play. The below-decks stowaways have appeared, to the consternation of many of the crew, and it is the first lowering. There is a reference to samphire, Casuistry. In chapter 46, I think.
― Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)
― the bellefox, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)
we are past forty-nine posts, and no one has made note of this yet.
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)
Also, did you notice that the radio station that Much works at is "FUCK" backwards. This very much shows the sense of humor that Pynchon has and his ability to not take things so seriously.
Now while this has no immediate analysis on the book, I just find them interest tid-bits.
― Guadeleupe, Monday, 6 February 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 03:31 (twenty years ago)
― Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 04:43 (twenty years ago)
i could be wrong tho
― J. Lamphere (WatchMeJumpStart), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 06:58 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 11:14 (twenty years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 11:26 (twenty years ago)
― J. Lamphere (WatchMeJumpStart), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)
the prof in my last English class brought up "Oedipa my ass," for what that's worth.
― W i l l (common_person), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)
who would NOT notice?
or is it wrong of me to assume that everyone was once an adolescent?
― Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 02:04 (twenty years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 02:30 (twenty years ago)
― Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 03:50 (twenty years ago)
― mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 10 February 2006 23:22 (twenty years ago)
― mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 10 February 2006 23:23 (twenty years ago)
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 10:08 (twenty years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 12:02 (twenty years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:47 (twenty years ago)
― W i l l (common_person), Saturday, 3 June 2006 17:41 (twenty years ago)
How can I learn to appreciate "The Crying of Lot 49"?
― Heave Ho, Saturday, 6 October 2007 11:19 (eighteen years ago)
get a copy and read it?
― Jaq, Saturday, 6 October 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)
I've read it once, it went over my head.
― Heave Ho, Saturday, 6 October 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)
Wait awhile, then read it again. Read it slowly, read it quickly, read it while waiting in a lawyer's lobby, read it only at stoplights when you are stopped. Wait awhile between each read. Read about it, the opinions of people you admire and people you despise. Tear out an obscure page and saute it in butter. Tear it into pieces with forks, then chew each piece carefully, savoring. Read it without thinking; read it aloud where you can't be heard. Read it while falling asleep and tell yourself to dream its significance. Wake in the night and feel the print on the pages, make out the letters, spell out the words. Copy it out in longhand while listening to the haunting call of the muted posthorn.
― Jaq, Saturday, 6 October 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)
and then start finding "W.A.S.T.E." stamped in weird places.
― Rubyredd, Saturday, 6 October 2007 22:59 (eighteen years ago)
"I've read it once, it went over my head."
you are not alone.
― Zeno, Saturday, 6 October 2007 23:58 (eighteen years ago)
i think i would have read it once and been like "i don't get it", but i had to write an essay on it, which made me read it several times. it definitely gets better on multiple readings. also, reading it as a kind of analagy:
The USPS would appear to represent one particular and dominant construction or idea of America, while the W.A.S.T.E. system represents an alternative and subversive representation - a representation of the “excluded middles”. In this story, we can characterise the USPS as a centralised agency, with a streamlined and efficient system of collection and dissemination of information. In opposition, the W.A.S.T.E. service is chaotic, disordered, mysterious, largely unknowable, decentred and without an obvious agency in control. But what the reader comes to realise is that the two systems are in co-existence; neither one of them offers a singular truth, or an overriding master narrative, to describe America. In fact, the two systems represent just how the internet functions: the USPS can be seen as a metaphor for the speed and ease in which global telecommunications technology organises and transmits information, while W.A.S.T.E. symbolises the way in which the reception of that information can be subverted by the receiver. The USPS represents public life, while private life can be seen in the symbol of W.A.S.T.E. The participants of the W.A.S.T.E. system are the “excluded middles” that Decker refers to, and by subverting the USPS system they keep it in check.
― Rubyredd, Sunday, 7 October 2007 00:11 (eighteen years ago)
One good way to appreciate it is to read some of his other books- then you will appreciate how short it is.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)
the book crying of lot 49
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)
Funnily enough I don't agree that KVUF is an obvious, um, whatever, rearrangement, of, that other word. I was not really an adolescent as Josh was.
Eddie Mars, I should start writing under that name.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 23 October 2008 11:36 (seventeen years ago)
I meant, KCUF, but then, potsmaster, and there is a moment in the text where Oedipa is spelled Oepida.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 23 October 2008 11:37 (seventeen years ago)
My port of entry was through the story of Lot's wife in Genesis - Oedipa is literally "Mucho" (Lot)'s wife. (He describes himself somewhere as parental to his girl listeners.) And P didn't stop there, he deliberately forced in every meaning of the word "lot": auction lot, car lot, lot meaning fate.
Maybe because I grew up in California, the social and landscape descriptions didn't give me much.
― alimosina, Thursday, 23 October 2008 14:42 (seventeen years ago)
the entire sequence with Oedipa wandering around Berkeley is one of my favorite things ever written. especially when read at night, in solitude, in cities. it's like a 21st-century walpurgisnacht.
― The droid army of the legacy press (bernard snowy), Sunday, 26 October 2008 05:18 (seventeen years ago)
Bless you. Here, I think I have a tissue somewhere.
You mean San Francisco, right? The Berkeley sequence is somewhat different, though also excellent.
On SF, though, I entirely agree - those 6pp or so are magically lyrical and I think they offer a rare kind of insight into ... culture.
― the pinefox, Monday, 27 October 2008 00:01 (seventeen years ago)
I *do* think that TCOL49 would make a HELL of a movie, possibly by Linklater in his rotoscoped A Scanner Darkly mould
― ghosts of cuddlestein butthurt circlejerk zinged fuckboy (imago), Thursday, 20 June 2013 11:32 (twelve years ago)
also, Gravity's Rainbow sags in its second half? dios mio
― ghosts of cuddlestein butthurt circlejerk zinged fuckboy (imago), Thursday, 20 June 2013 11:34 (twelve years ago)
FWIW I think all the big Pynchons have a bit of a dip around 3/4 of the way in and then recover at the end, although none as pronounced as AtD. The section with all the rich kids shagging their way round the Balkans is eminently forgettable.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 20 June 2013 11:39 (twelve years ago)
that's...the best bit*
*the best bit not involving the Chums obv, or the murder of the Italian anarchist, which is one of the best bits in Pynchon (of the 3 1/2 I've read)
AtD only loses me at all with the weird detective potboiler near the end, and even that's kinda fitting as way of uh disappearing Deuce. The Frank Traverse plotline kept threatening to lose me and then kept winning me around, especially him seeing that statue through the window (again, one of the best bits in Pynchon)
― ghosts of cuddlestein butthurt circlejerk zinged fuckboy (imago), Thursday, 20 June 2013 11:45 (twelve years ago)
lol that post 'it's the best bit except this and this and this'
their climactic journey into the East is really amazing IMO
― ghosts of cuddlestein butthurt circlejerk zinged fuckboy (imago), Thursday, 20 June 2013 11:46 (twelve years ago)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/07/world/europe/princess-gloria-von-thurn-und-taxis-francis.html
Princess Gloria — once christened “Princess TNT” for her explosive years as a hard partying, art-collecting, punk-haired aristocrat — has grown into the sun queen around which many traditionalist Roman Catholics opposed to Pope Francis orbit. Her Regensburg castle is a potential “Gladiator School” for conservative Catholics on a crusade to preserve church traditions.Her Roman palace overlooking the ancient forum is a preferred salon for opposition cardinals, bitter bishops and populists like Stephen K. Bannon. Many of them are hoping to use the sex abuse crisis that amounts to the greatest existential threat to the church in centuries to topple the 81-year-old pontiff, who they are convinced is destroying the faith.
Her Roman palace overlooking the ancient forum is a preferred salon for opposition cardinals, bitter bishops and populists like Stephen K. Bannon. Many of them are hoping to use the sex abuse crisis that amounts to the greatest existential threat to the church in centuries to topple the 81-year-old pontiff, who they are convinced is destroying the faith.
― j., Saturday, 8 December 2018 09:15 (seven years ago)