new pynchon new pynchon new pynchon

yah maybe he'll finally write a good one

― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 01:15 (8 hours ago)

have at ye! maybe ATD turns to shit in the second half, doubt it will though

you all saw there's a new pynchon right

no?

The Bleeding Edge

Apparently the Guardian phoned up Penguin in the UK to get confirmation and they were all "Really? First we've heard of it". But apparently it's been confirmed by the US.

Exciting anyway, I honestly didn't think there'd be another novel.

Me neither. Hope it's a long historical one, hopefully on a period he hasn't covered yet, and not another short 'wasn't the sixties cool?' one.

This is great news. I liked AtD, unwieldy and uneven as it was.

I recently picked up a copy of AtD for a song ($3). Whether I read it is still an open question, given that my last run at GR failed within 200pp.

it is much better and more readable imo, you should give it a shot. Like most Pynchon, it works best if you just wallow around in it and let it envelop you.

It is with joy and no little relief that we announce THOMAS PYNCHON to have last night completed a successful 'mindjack' of ilxor.com user imago, with his novel 'Against The Day'.

Said user was last seen searching for skyborne guardian angels, or at least open-minded peers, to lead this flawed human fabric to a kinder and more Compassionate place, and was also caught wondering about the theological implications of a gender-reversed Immaculate Conception - the fathering-without-issue - Cyprian as Virgin Mary...

Best Name Award goes to Bevis Moistleigh this time, speshly if Bevis is pronounced how I suspect

'mind-jacking' is a v good phrase for AtD.

I just finished Ragtime by Doctorow. Merle Rideout has to be based on Pappi, right? Just, with the daughter, and where they end up, it seemed like a homage. Or a parody. One of the two. Ragtime is really great, btw, same period as AtD. Lots of anarchists and mexican revolutionaries.

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Thomas Pynchon's new novel BLEEDING EDGE will be published on September 17, deals with Silicon Alley between dotcom boom collapse and 9/11.

lol

not read any neal stephenson yet (cryptonomicon lies in wait) but isn't that his turf

kinda :/ that 9/11 seemingly plays a pivotal part in this (yes, I read Falling Man, no it wasn't very good) but if anyone's gonna extract something profound from it, well...

just seems like so much else he could write about in the contemporary world, hopefully 9/11 will be ghosted beyond, beneath and above much like world war 1 in ATD (and world war 2 in GR)

I don't think they're really comparable (despite what… Charles Shaar Murray maybe?… says on the back of Cryptonomicon about it being like Gravity's Rainbow - that might be one of the wrongest points of comparison I've seen on a blurb).

Makes me a little anxious that he's taking this on, but then it's Pynchon, so pretty sure I will enjoy it at least.

as far as pivotal california moments go, this is a great one to pick.

have they said how many pages it is?

Haven't read Cryptonomicon, because I was afraid it would be like attempted GR Redux--also oh no, not WWII again---but did like Diamond Age, where his developing novelistic sensibility, incl reflections of a citizen of the world and grown-ass man, overtake cyberpunk tropes/cliches.

yeah, that wasn't even meant as a slam on Stephenson (who I run hot & cold on) it's just that he's not really like Pynchon - there's some subject matter/theme overlap, but Stephenson is pulpy, fun, not really a stylist, nowhere near as extreme, just not really in the same zone at all

yeah and can well imagine him wincing when first seeing that blurb on the jacket, invoking comparisons to GR

So this will be the latest period Pynchon has written about ever. Excited for that. Hope it will be a long one.

I mean a number of his novels were contemporary at the time he wrote them...

Oh, of course. But they aren't any more, was my point. There are so many interconnections in his fictions, so many things that he describes the foundation of in his historical fiction, and then shows what happened to it in the sixties in other books. I'm excited to see those threads being taken up to the millenium.

this, really

First page of bleeding edge

http://gothamist.com/2013/04/13/read_the_first_page_of_thomas_pynch.php

I'm excited

that last para is vintage stuff. "Sunlight reflected from apartment windows has begun to show up in blurry patterns on the fronts of the buildings across the street. Two-part buses, new on the routes, creep the crosstown blocks like giant insects. Steel shutters are being rolled up, early trucks are double-parking, guys are out with hoses cleaning off their piece of sidewalk. Unhoused people sleep in doorways, scavengers with huge plastic sacks full of empty beer and soda cans head for the markets to cash them in, work crews wait un front of buildings for the super to show up. Runners are bouncing up and down at the curb waiting for the lights to change."

So many perfect constructions. "new on the routes" -- the aside with the sense of absolute locatedness in time. "unhoused people." the informality of "guys are out," the persistant image of hosing-down time. The building sense of anticipation and movement out of snapshots of static description.

Earlier, the intense present-tense nowness of "This morning, all up and down the streets, what looks like every Callery Pear tree on the Upper West Side has popped overnight into identical white clouds of pear blossoms."

The description (which bears the marks of being written by pynchon) makes me worry this will be a bit slight. But I didn't find IV slight, so maybe I don't have anything to worry about.

I found Inherent Vice slight.....ly hilarious <3

I think of that "yikes, scoob" scene from IV all the time.

froot loops again, i guess.

http://www.vulture.com/2013/08/thomas-pynchon-bleeding-edge.html

Really, the guy lives on the Upper West Side and we don't have a photo of him?

New book kinda...sucks. Does not live up to Inherent Vice.

on a subtextural level there's a cleverness to it but it takes reading the whole thing and musing for a bit on why it's so disappointing in a traditional sense.

I dreamt I read it last night. And liked it. I couldn't explain why.

flicked through this in a bookshop last night... opening quote from donald e. westlake!

oh man, today's the day. tempted to play hooky from work.

I thought it was today but saw it in Waterstone's on Saturday. 100pp in; I'm really enjoying it so far.

It's got its own thread by the way:

Bleeding Edge, by Thomas Pynchon. Due September 2013

ohhh the cultural references seem like they're going to make me sad

So I re-read GR last week and I was wondering what other reading this lead you to.

I think I have a copy of Scholem's book on the Kaballah, read a good article on the German genocide/occupation in South-West Africa, read some good amount of Rilke, and this makes me want to return to the latter's work. The Erotics of suicide bit was fantastic, echoes of Mishima in a way.

I want something on the Tarot? Is there a guide anywhere?

this may be nuts, and more knowledgable people may be able to point elsewhere (sure AE Waite wrote something that might even pass for scholarly) but I really like The Book of Thoth by Aleister Crowley.

get a Rider-Waite deck and 'The Complete Guide to the Tarot' by Eden Gray is a good place to start for a newbie.

and Fizzles ain't nuts - 'Book of Thoth' is one of the best books and essential if you get into his deck, but probably too much Crowley for the uninitiated.

Also, if you want to know more about Tarot in Pynchon, be sure to read the chapters of Against the Day where Lew Basnight comes to London. There are some really interesting ideas about characters and the Tarot, which offers a complete way to interpret pretty much all Pynchons books. Though it's obviously just a lark. The parallels between Slothrop and Basnight are really interesting, though.

Been curious abt Crowley in about forever so maybe its time. Thx for all recommends!

at one point I looked around for any other references to the Kirghiz Light and eventually assumed that Pynchon just made it up.

finished a few months back: and LOVED (it took me several years and one complete re-start)

favourite moment = when i suddenly realised the story was unavoidably approaching the tunguska incident

(more in-world overlap with vineland: the traverses are ancestors of frenesi)