John Updike

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It feels like not a lot is happening in the 4th book, but maybe the momentum from the first three is kind of pushing it along to its conclusion, a lot like its main character.

57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

finished last night. Probably over-analyzing, but I enjoyed the structural nod to For Whom the Bell Tolls at the end.

57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 27 January 2005 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I finished last night, too. Haven't read For Whom the Bell Tolls. I thought it really picked up after (spoiler alert) Rabbit slept with Pru; Rabbit's being an asshole got to me more than at any other point in the series and I loved it. Then with Nelson's seemingly successful rehab, that was cool, it kept me from being too pissed off at the book, and finally watching the results of Harry's self-destruction was...satisfying. More Updike in the future for me!

W i l l (common_person), Friday, 28 January 2005 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
What about the Bech books?

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 4 April 2005 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with the slightly negative view of Updike as a writer of sentences rather than novels. I've only read the first two Rabbit books but they were both a bit of an effort to get through. I can pick him up and read a paragraph and think "what a writer" but he wants to load every rift with ore and I find it wearing over a longer stretch.

frankiemachine, Monday, 4 April 2005 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with the slightly negative view of Updike as a writer of sentences (or perhaps paragraphs) rather than novels. I've only read the first two Rabbit books but they were both a bit of an effort to get through. I can pick him up and read a paragraph and think "what a writer" but he wants to load every rift with ore in a way that I find wearing over a longer stretch.

frankiemachine, Monday, 4 April 2005 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The Bech stories are harmless fun. Pretty light in comparison to, say, Roger's Version. Less angst, more sex, more humor.

But at the same time, Bech is not much of a character--more a conduit for Updike to express certain things about the writing life that would have been problematic for him to say with his own mouth.

By which I don't mean that Bech = Updike; rather that Updike used Bech both as a surrogate and as a point of contrast. He's Updike's mouthpiece when he needs him to be, but different enough (Jewish, hornier, less modest) to allow Updike a sort of playground.

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 April 2005 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
Anyone read Marry Me?

On the bass, 57 7th, he wrote this (calstars), Monday, 16 May 2005 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Marry Me : his most personal novel, and painfully honest about infidelity and love. Much rawer, emotionally, than anything in Couples of the Rabbit books.
As beautifully written as everything else.

David N (David N.), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...
Do you have any interpretation on Updike's poem, January.

Luis Gonzalez, Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

I've read a couple of Updike's novels and short stories, but it's the nonfiction I end up enjoying the most, from his essays on art to his memoir, Self-Consciousness, which I truly loved.

Collardio Gelatinous (collardio), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 05:12 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
In the poem 'January' what does "trees of lace" mean ????

From a French 12 years girl just arrived in a US school >>.
thanks

Margaux, Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:40 (twenty years ago)

I will answer your question if you first tell me how you found this forum. What search engine did you use, and what did you search for?

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:49 (twenty years ago)

i have read u&i and enjoy it but do not find it one of the funniest books i have ever read



trees of lace is a reference to the papier-mache bonsai tradition of kyoko

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 23:42 (twenty years ago)

The line is actual The trees' black lace, btw.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 26 January 2006 00:09 (twenty years ago)

actually

argh.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 26 January 2006 00:10 (twenty years ago)

And Tom, don't you thwart my mission by giving away all the answers! I will find out if this database is not only Oracle, but THE Oracle.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 26 January 2006 00:17 (twenty years ago)

Margaux? Margaux?

Kids these days.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 26 January 2006 15:38 (twenty years ago)

I think that it is in fact THE Aleph, Jaq.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Ha! That would explain a few things!

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:32 (twenty years ago)

It would explain everything.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)

And from every perspective.

Margaux darling!? Come back! All will be revealed in a small iridescent sphere!

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:52 (twenty years ago)

Well, what happened to The Aleph? I guess we'll just have to settle with putting our questions to The Aimless.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I see.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Go ask The Aleph
What teh pinefox said

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 27 January 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

How did Encyclopedia Updike know that teh p!nef0x was lying?

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 27 January 2006 16:17 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
Short NYT interview with him about his new one:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/books/31updi.html

def zep (calstars), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 11:05 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

The Widows of Eastwick (a sequel to Witches of..) - october 2008.

The end of 2008: new updike, new Roth, new president.

Zeno, Monday, 16 June 2008 03:28 (seventeen years ago)

five months pass...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081126.wbadsex1126/BNStory/Entertainment/home

The 76-year-old American novelist was a finalist for this year's Bad Sex prize for his description of an explosive oral encounter in his latest book, The Widows of Eastwick, but lost out to British writer Rachel Johnso

ian, Friday, 28 November 2008 04:35 (seventeen years ago)

i find almost all updike sex = bad sex

t_g, Friday, 28 November 2008 09:22 (seventeen years ago)

i've never been able to read updike. don't know why. i usually love that kind of stuff. maybe when i'm older or something. everytime i've tried a novel i've ended up getting really bored.

(this is me and richard ford too.)

scott seward, Friday, 28 November 2008 23:07 (seventeen years ago)

I know why you can't read Updike - it's because reading him is like the process of extruding a turd but backwards.

He also wrote an introduction to a book by Bruno Schulz called Sanatorium Under the Sign of the Hourglass, which he seemed to like (although I admit I read it through tightly slitted eyes). It was a very bad book and it made me say very bad words and do violence at it.

GamalielRatsey, Friday, 28 November 2008 23:46 (seventeen years ago)

last time i tried to read some richard ford short stories i saw my life flash before my eyes. sooooooo endless and tedious.

i think i just read louis auchincloss instead of updike. probably nowhere near as "brilliant", but way more entertaining.

i wanna read more cheever. i've got a really nice big fat hardcover collection of his stories that i need to get to.

scott seward, Saturday, 29 November 2008 00:03 (seventeen years ago)

Wow, Scott, you like Auchincloss? Glad to see a fellow fan.

He reminds me a bit of William Dean Howells: not a single sentence surprises, and he's so obsessed with a certain kind of professionalism that some of his scenarios aren't as conceived as fully as I'd like; but, wow, a certain kidn of professoinalism goes a long way: he publishes a book (two sometimes) a year.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 29 November 2008 00:10 (seventeen years ago)

and he's so obsessed with a certain kind of professionalism that some of his scenarios aren't as conceived as fully as I'd like

example of these "scenarios"? this doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. I think his sentences, on a prose level, can be quite surprising: rich and lyrical. but his novels all read the same. maybe this is what you mean? i think his rabbit books are his best work and his stories are pretty boring.

Mr. Que, Saturday, 29 November 2008 00:54 (seventeen years ago)

Haha -- I was talking about Auchincloss; I guess I wasn't clear.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 29 November 2008 00:55 (seventeen years ago)

as for Updike, if he's written a novel as good as A Modern Instance or The Rise of Silas Lapham, I've missed it.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 29 November 2008 01:03 (seventeen years ago)

(to be fair, Updike did much to get Howells rehabilitated in the eighties)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 29 November 2008 01:04 (seventeen years ago)

well "as good as" is pretty subjective--and Howells and Updike are aiming for different things, so i don't think comparing them will get us anywhere

Mr. Que, Saturday, 29 November 2008 01:05 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

Subjective: "as good as"
Objective: died this morning.

Belles Letterz, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 18:53 (seventeen years ago)

four years pass...

had to read this sentence abt 5 times in one of the pieces in self-consciousness (which is v good btw)

I seem to remember, on one endless drive back home in the dark down Route 93, while my wife sat in the front seat and her hair was rhythmically irratiated with light from the opposing headlights, patiently masturbating my back-seat neighbor through her ski pants, beneath our blanketing parkas, and taking a brotherly pride in her shudder of orgasm just as we hit the Ipswich turn-off.

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 14:09 (twelve years ago)

!!

Hope he cracked a window.

only dogg forgives (Eazy), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 16:47 (twelve years ago)

that's precisely what I dislike about Updike: the precision with which it's overwritten.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 16:57 (twelve years ago)

lol turnoff

i better not get any (thomp), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 17:22 (twelve years ago)

lol privilege embedded even at the grammatical level

i better not get any (thomp), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 17:22 (twelve years ago)

but mainly lol turnoff

i better not get any (thomp), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 17:22 (twelve years ago)

My problem is less with the writing and more just that he writes about doing kind of gross things in a self-congratulatory tone

PJ. Turquoise dealer. Chatroulette addict. Andersonville. (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 17:31 (twelve years ago)

well i mean it's updike. that is the writing

i better not get any (thomp), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 17:46 (twelve years ago)

xp otm

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 17:50 (twelve years ago)

actually I also hate "patiently masturbating" and also the fact that it's ski pants.

PJ. Turquoise dealer. Chatroulette addict. Andersonville. (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 18:22 (twelve years ago)

That's good that the story lets you do that: a strong. always pertinent POV, suitable for different interpretations.
xp first gondolier first gondola, I meant! Proustian Slip, but also I was trying to suppress reference to Updike as my thoughtful gondolier on this maiden voyage through his review, because too corny even for me.

dow, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 18:12 (three years ago)

But even or especially with Pinter's crisp, startling reduction, there's a sense of gliding conveyed by Updike's impressions of his reading and thinking experience.

dow, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 18:17 (three years ago)

Carefully guided, responsive gliding.

dow, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 18:18 (three years ago)

Glide, Rabbit, Glide

blissfully unawarewolf (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 18:19 (three years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxkjvKBPQjo

2-4-6-8 Motor Away (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 18:25 (three years ago)

I read RABBIT, RUN, and greatly admired its style, and was surprised and maybe even disturbed by its drama.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 21:01 (three years ago)

I have a Henry Green book signed by John Updike. The man must have put his signature in everything.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 28 October 2022 01:14 (three years ago)

Reminds me of the time David Markson's library ended up at The Strand.

Capital Radio Sweetheart (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 28 October 2022 01:26 (three years ago)

A friend of mine brought a copy of Nicholson Baker’s U and I to a reading for Updike to sign.

The self-titled drags (Eazy), Friday, 28 October 2022 04:04 (three years ago)

I saw a film trailer today for something called Living which I was sure was a Henry Green adaptation. I want to believe.

Capital Radio Sweetheart (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 28 October 2022 04:24 (three years ago)

Apparently it's an Englishing of a Kurosawa movie.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 28 October 2022 06:38 (three years ago)

Oh right.

Capital Radio Sweetheart (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 28 October 2022 06:38 (three years ago)

three years pass...

Good long James Wolcott essay in LRB on Updike's letters, the publication of which I imagine would have been a major event a decade or two ago. Good overview of the letters, the man, and his writing; and does wrestle (especially in the gut-punching final paragraphs) with his shortcomings.

Come On, (Eazy), Monday, 16 February 2026 00:57 (three months ago)

I was about to post! A lovely piece that didn't inspire me to reread Updike.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 February 2026 16:24 (three months ago)


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