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I wonder how many copies it'll end up selling -- I have no idea how well "blockbuster" literary novels tend to do

markers, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link

quick google suggests his last novel did over a million in hard cover

thomp, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link

also one of the ten best sellers of '01, up there with the stephen kings and john grishams, sales-wise. i have no idea how you'd look at the long-tail sales for it, though.

thomp, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, a million plus is probably a really good & rare number for literary fiction to pull off

markers, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/13/books/review/Burn-t.html

came out in the late spring but still looks rad

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd say it's a little more than that, I thought it successfully built up some pathos

Yeah, I agree.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Que, that does look pretty awesome.

(And the reviewer apparently wrote a book on Franzen: "Stephen Burn’s latest book is “Jonathan Franzen at the End of Postmodernism.” He teaches at Northern Michigan University.")

markers, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Wow. The new James Franco book, a collection of short stories, actually has some big authors giving it really positive blurbs ...

http://www.amazon.com/Palo-Alto-Stories-James-Franco/dp/1439163146/ref=br_lf_m_1000535991_1_24_ttl?ie=UTF8&s=books&pf_rd_p=1272423682&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_i=1000535991&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0H2AY4DPEFT658406BN1

I'll be damned if I read it though.

Romeo Jones, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link

This is a book to be inhaled more than once,

O RLLY

http://mimg.sulekha.com/english/the-pineapple-express/stills/the-pineapple-express05.jpg

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't see why it's inconceivable that a dude pursing an advanced English degree at Columbia might be a good writer

Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

He could be!

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link

but he's got one helluva agent.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

i think i defended his story that esquire published. i dont know if i remember it being amazing but it wasnt embarrassing

max, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

that story he had published somewhere (new yorker?) was awful.

xp

emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link

ha

max, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't see why it's inconceivable that some big name authors would want to blurb this either. Couldn't hurt, and it would probably help them to sell a few more copies of their own books.

But yeah ... maybe he's decent.

(Note to self: if I ever want to easily land a publishing deal, I need to star in at least one superhero movie.)

Romeo Jones, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

are you cuet?

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link

(most) blurbs are used as currency by publishing houses fyi

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link

that hamburger will be $5, sir

look, I don't have any money, but I got a blurb from Ian McEwan on my last novel!

markers, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link

its (mostly) like oh X owes me for something so I'll have them blurb this new book

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link

but none of this really matters cuz I doubt blurbs are as important for ebooks (I've never seen a ebook tho)

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link

although I don't know shit about ebooks I hate it when people are like "I have currently read 23% of Moby Dick" because I guess I hate change or something. I don't know. It all seems so unmagical.

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I really liked Super Sad True Love Story by Gary Shteyngart and The Ask by Sam Lipsyte, they're probably the two best new books I've read this year, but it feels like there's a trend of these like literary novels that humorously treat their heroes as grotesques, like constantly talking about how gross they look and how fat they are and how people don't like them very much. I don't know, I guess maybe it's not a "trend" since I can't think of any other examples but Shteyngart and Lipsyte in particular are very similar in doing this, across all of their books that I've read. It's interesting.

i was thinking about this too & while i think its a p common comedic trope it does feel like these two are using it in a slightly different way. like ignatius in "confederacy of dunces" is both more obviously grotesque & less seethingly aware of how unattractive he is. or like richard russo often has his character's slack unhandsomness stand in for their general lack of success/alienation from modern capitalism or w/e but its a lot more low-key.

i think i disliked both books in part because of how tedious & theatrical they were about their hero's shortcomings, although it made more sense in "super sad" then w/ milo's myopic whining.

n e way "visit from the goon squad" was p good i thought.

Lamp, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link

i got about 40 pages into the ask before passing it on to someone else. it's not just that i didn't find anything remotely funny or well written about it (it was sold as both), i actively disliked it.

jed_, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link

i thought the ask was really hemmed in by its formal boundaries by the desire to be "funny" and "scathing" & that the dizzy self-conscious idiom he was using made everything really dishonest and terrible

i do think it was well-written though, there were some very clever sentences

Lamp, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe the good writing starts where i jumped off but i absolutely agree with your first point from what i read.

jed_, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Max, some stuff I'm looking forward to:

Philip Roth: Nemesis
The Black Lizard Big Book of Black Mask Stories: 1000+ pages of 1920s-1940s noir pulp
Antal Szerb: Love in a Bottle -- new translation of short stories from amazing Hungarian writer
Italo Svevo: THe Nice Old Man and the Pretty Girl -- novella, from Melville House
Martin McDonagh: A Behanding in Spokane -- new play from 'In Bruges' writer/director
Jen Wang: koko Be Good -- interesting-looking new graphic novel

The one time I don't do the dishes, I get ebola! (James Morrison), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Max, there's a giant new McSweeneys book coming out. The Instructions by Adam Levin. Don't know if you are aware of it.
I'm gonna wait to check out some reviews before I take on all 1,000 pages of it.

Romeo Jones, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link

damn cant believe the blurbs that franco's getting... amy hempel? ben marcus??

just sayin, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 09:07 (thirteen years ago) link

didn't he go to columbia?

thomp, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 09:15 (thirteen years ago) link

it feels like there's a trend of these like literary novels that humorously treat their heroes as grotesques, like constantly talking about how gross they look and how fat they are and how people don't like them very much

Now I wouldn't say I was gross. I'd say I was fat. I wouldn't want you saying it, though. I'd be very offended, personally, if you were to say it to me. I might have to beat you up ... Fat's funny like that. Fat creeps up on you. How's the waistline, pal? Sister, what's the cellulite score? Ah I must kick it, the fat - the snout, the junk, the trash, all these things that have made me gross.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 11:14 (thirteen years ago) link

that franzen bird cover looks better irl (or at least the bird's eye is all hologram-y)

emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link

didn't he go to columbia?

yup.

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Read a fairly mad article about Franco in one of the papers last week. He's enrolled at four different colleges, does art installations, writes short stories, does General Hospital etc. He's also a teetotaler.

Number None, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link

I read a headline about Franzen's new book from USA Today on the office building elevator's ad screen this morning. MY mind's made up.

alimosina, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.avclub.com/articles/jonathan-franzen,44716/

hee:

AVC: When Ian McEwan’s latest novel, Solar, was met with some indifference in America, he suggested that we might have become bored with global warming. In Freedom, a book in part about the environment, a character picks up a copy of McEwan’s novel Atonement and “struggled to interest himself in its descriptions of rooms and plantings…” Are McEwan’s comments and your swipe at Atonement purely coincidence?

JF: I hadn’t read that particular quotation of Ian McEwan’s. But he did say that there were no more major novelists in the United States, except for Philip Roth, now that Updike had died and Mailer had died. That certainly did not go down well with those of us who are still producing the work. But no, that was actually purely objective. I believe the character in question has trouble interesting himself in its descriptions of plantings and architecture. [Laughs.] And I’ve known people who have had that very problem with that book.

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link

odd really as Atonement isn't very much about those things, or it's more noticeably about other things

might as well say, struggled to interest himself in its portrait of the tragic carnival of destruction around Dunkirk!

the pinefox, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link

did anyone read josipovici's book, or glance at it even

reviewed by tom mccarthy in the graun i noticed

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/sep/04/gabriel-josipovici-modernism-tom-mccarthy

thomp, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link

also, i just read remainder, and huh

thomp, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link

what did you think? i didnt enjoy it as much as everyone else it seems

just sayin, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Fun take down of Freedom from the Atlantic, by the infamous B.R. Meyers. Kind of stupid, but I enjoyed it nonetheless.

Falkor Johnson (askance johnson), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Jonathan Franzen’s juvenile prose creates a world in which nothing important can happen.

http://i55.tinypic.com/13yh2tg.jpg

markers, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link

I wonder why they let that dickhead review Freedom in the first place--doesn't seem like his cup of tea.

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Elif Batuman on MFAs in the LRB. this one's blowing up the tumblrs.

thomp, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link

thx thomp, will read

markers, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

I just read Mr Peanut (Adam Ross) and am really struggling to decide what I thought of it. Anyone else read it?

franny glass, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link

just read Skippy Dies, it was entertaining but not sure why it was a booker prize nominee exactly.

I've got C here to read once I read everything else I have to read.

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link

that Elif Batuman article in the LRB is pretty awesome. i don't agree with everything she says but i mostly love the way she says it.

jed_, Thursday, 16 September 2010 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link

i did like remainder a great deal, by the way. and laughed maybe more than i'd expected to, at stuff like the cappucinos in the airport. but: i'd read that very long zadie smith article on remainder and netherland and so reading the former was a little like following an argument you've already had summarized to you: you appreciate the lucidity and depth of it, but it's not going to come as a surprise.

thomp, Thursday, 16 September 2010 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link


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