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I have seen evidence that "Karen" has already made the jump from woke Twitterites to broke Facebook whites.

― 🔫 (peace, man), Tuesday, May 5, 2020 6:00 PM (two weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

"Karen" definitely means the person who narced on you for not wearing a mask and standing too close to people out in public now.

according to who? you mean on facebook?

Pretty sure it now means absolutely nothing coherent

What is this "Karen" thing?

I mean of course xp

the life cycle of slang:

black trans women invent a slang term to mean something specific

white gays co-opt it, bringing it into the mainstream while diluting its original meaning

white people in general exhaust all signification of the term completely in the course of two weeks

the Charmin twitter says "bae" or whatever

I pretty much now will not use any slang I heard recently at all because this process doesn't need my participation

uncool conservative belief: white people shouldn't use slang terms they just heard b/c it's either misused appropriated black queer/trans slang (bae, woke, Karen, slay, yass) or it's been invented by online white supremacist reactionaries (incel, cuck, simp, SJW)

that belief isn't uncool, it's poggers

"white people shouldn't say "woke" or "SJW"' is anything but a conservative belief. There is no conservative belief about what white people should say except "Any suggestion that white people shouldn't say just what they like is the real racism."

My uncool conservative belief is that there is probably very little public health benefit to wearing masks outdoors unless you are going to be in an unusually crowded setting for a long period of time.

mask wearing is a signal that you are taking this seriously and are unlikely to get in someone else's face, thus contributing to general social order.

as to the science behind my face bandana, i'm guessing "better than nothing" is likely accurate but - given the available options - the former is likely more important than the latter just now.

I don't live in the kind of metropolis where I'm going to bump into six or ten or twenty-five people on sidewalks, yet our county requires us to wear masks in enclosed public spaces.

Wearing the mask outdoors signifies that you care about the social compact.

I guess my uncool conservative belief is that I'm skeptical about the whole Karen origin on black twitter thing. I've not heard that anywhere but here. Light research suggests that it came from a reddit user that was complaining about his ex who was literally named Karen and the meme stemmed from that. Maybe a coincidence?

according to who? you mean on facebook?

― Evan, Monday, May 25, 2020 8:30 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Yes. Every time a post pops up criticizing the general public for not social distancing, there rises a chorus of "Karen!"

I get the social signalling aspect and think it has real value, but where I live, I feel like this is taken care of by the fact that mask-wearing indoors (at least at the grocery store, which is the only place I've been indoors) is universal, even though not mandated by the state.

my uncool conservative belief is that ppl shouldn’t buy into misogynist stereotypes like “Karen” in the first place

white feminist is a slur

10^9 is a milliard. 10^12 is a billion.

ok grandpa

1 x duck is a mallard. 1 x chicken broth is a bullion.

I'm skeptical about the whole Karen origin on black twitter thing

can someone give some more info on the queer/poc origins of karen? i feel like i've been seeing this meme slowly evolve for the past decade on places like r3dd1t

my understanding was that it was just an evolution of the "can i speak to the manager haircut" meme

10^9 is a milliard. 10^12 is a billion.

― imago, Thursday, May 28, 2020 12:37 PM (two hours ago)

imago start saying "crore" imo

lol maybe

I just need to say this somewhere without derailing a good thread - I hate the lofty, self-righteous, self-serious rhetorical tone that every single fucking person adopts on twitter and facebook when they talk about BLM. I hate how every single fucking person feels like they need to make a big dramatic speech on it. I guess the "performativeness" is part of what I hate, and that's not even a conservative critique, I just find it really grating when people do that soaring speechifying thing.

this is THIS

THAT IS THAT

LISTEN

LEARN

PRAY

WALK

THINK

fwiw social media posts scolding people for not wearing masks are pretty performative, seldom seem interested in persuading people so much as wallowing in their own righteousness. I wear a mask and they still rankle. Tho this might be an US/UK thing, less people obnoxiously proud of not wearing them here.

yeah I find that irritating too - "I WAS JUST AT X PARK AND SO MANY PEOPLE WERE NOT WEARING MASKS!" as if just to say "humanity is doomed by its stupidity and I am above it."

look, i dunno. people are freaked out and frightened and i don't blame anybody for reaching for whatever tools they feel they need even if they're super sanctimonious. better that than nothing.

Tracer otm + even the most annoying things on earth can be dismissed if don’t let it aggravate you. Let it roll off of you.

agree, which is why I just quarantine such thoughts to thread like this

True. This is the place for it. And these are tough times. Sometimes stress manifests as irritability. Happens to the best of us!!

I instinctively recoil when men avoid belts.

second-order recoiling

I'm not even sure this is a conservative belief, but yes, people in protests should be making a lot more of an effort to not be creating COVID superspreading events. It looks like most people are masked but, that's it. Stay far apart, don't yell or sing.

most of the people cheering the looting and "expropriation" of private property are privileged white boys who still act like teenagers and use this attitude to further bolster their life choices of not growing up and taking adult responsibilities. The ones that do have "real jobs" all work for other people so they don't really have much responsibility professionally either. Also, they would whine and cry like a toddler if someone stole their prized possessions (e.g. obscure records, film collections, etc.)

I remember someone interviewing an Occupy Wall Street participant. He was holding an iPad 2. The interviewer asked something like, so if it's bad to be a one percenter and have things, why don't you give that iPad to the poor? And the guy was like, um, er, actually what I want is for EVERYBODY to have access to the things of this world... and trailed off.

heh this is mostly prompted by one particular dude in my FB feed who I remember several years back throwing a major temper tantrum over a radical collective space deciding to dispose of a huge vintage film editing machine that belonged to said dude because said dude: had not actually used said machine, had not paid rent on the space where the machine was being stored, had not communicated with anyone whether or not his proposed plans for a radical film collective were actually going to happen because he had done/said nothing for months (if not a year). Instead the radical collective space expropriated his private property ... to the dump.

n.b. i was not in any way involved with the above incident. It was not my space.

I had to do that once, this idiot dragged an abandoned soda cooler from a liquor store back to our place

I've pretty openly despised the police since I was a teenager but this sudden hardline unequivocal push to abolish the police is...something else. I mean, I totally geddit from an emotional perspective but hey maybe just for a start let's repeal the 2nd first because I don't think we're fully considering who's likely to barge their well-armed way into that cop-less void.

I don't even know if this is uncool-ly conservative, necessarily, but I definitely feel out of step with the mad revolutionary rush of the moment in that particular regard.

I've been having some interesting conversations about that lately with people both to the left and right of me. One take I keep hearing is that, at minimum, it's a "negotiating position" like you start with a big ask and work toward something less. I don't totally buy that, because (1) I'm pretty sure most of its advocates don't see it as a negotiating position, and (2) as someone who is involved in a lot of negotiations, it's a lot more nuanced than just "Make really big ask so you can get medium sized thing." I mean, it's right in the sense that you don't start by asking for your end goal (which is what centrist democrats often do, to their own detriment), but it's also not like "I will demand $100 million so that way they will give me $50 million." You have to know "what your case is worth" and you have to be able to convince the other side of what risk they face if they don't accede to your demand (or at least meet you in the middle).

A protest movement mainly has two threats available -- voting and unrest. Will a large city defund its police to avoid rioting? Probably not. Will they do it to avoid getting voted out of office? Not unless you convince them that there are enough voters who will actually vote them out on that issue, which I absolutely do not believe. Jacob Frey knew what he was doing - he knew he faced more risk of getting voted out for saying he would defund the police than for saying he wouldn't.

The other thing is that I have mixed feelings about the communications strategy. I get it on one hand -- #abolishthepolice is catchy and controversial and exciting and will spread. Some of the people who see that and go "What?!" may wind up looking it up and reading more and saying "huh, actually a lot of these ideas sound good." But others are just going to have an absolute kneejerk reaction against it and shut down.

FTR, I'm all about cutting funds and massive reforms and even farming out most/all police duties to more qualified parties with greater oversight. You show me a workable path toward those ends and I'm sold, 100%. It's when people get on the binary tip and shut down conversation and negotiation that my sold-ness wavers. If you ask whether the mayor of a major American city is willing to defund his police department, what response do you honestly expect? It just feels like the good guys have leverage for a change and it's being squandered by pushing too hard and too quickly into underexplored territory.

I appreciate you sharing that, because it does feel like that thing people do when they're at the very height of being against something- they say the solution is the polar opposite full stop. It's the kind of emotionally popular endgame scenario that you have to work backwards to logically justify. And doing that usually involves too many idealistic variables. (Talking specifically about it being taken literally FTR)

xp

actually not "xp", cause I share OL's discomfort.

ah the binary tip

i mean, adrian schoolcraft was just 10 years ago. it hasn't been all that long since the chicago pd had a fucking torture chamber. we are watching police departments across the country beat the shit out of anyone in range. an entire cadre of buffalo american cops refuses to accept that it should be responsible for any of its actions.

and all these cities have democratic mayors, so it's not like voting will make a difference. please delineate your gradual reform plan

A loser like me not being able to perfectly delineate a gradual reform plan right now does not prove anything.

Mookie you do realize that not only are there primaries, but the primary is pretty much the election is democratic cities, right?