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You can download the questions and answers from all rounds of last week's SABR convention contests at the bottom of this page:

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(I got a shockingly high 25/40 in the individual prelims, barely escaping entry into the next round.)

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 20:05 (five years ago) Permalink

When you do this quiz at SABR, how much time do you spend on each question? Is there an honor system for phones?

polyphonic, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 20:22 (five years ago) Permalink

There is def an honor system, backed up by a watchful proctor who reminds me of a character Joan Cusack could play ten years from now.

The trivia is always on Thursday and Saturday nights, I think. First rounds on Thursday are written. The second night has the finals for individual and team, with the contestants seated on the ballroom stage, and the format is very Jeopardy-like. It seems to me that "time" is called after maybe 20 seconds.

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 20:43 (five years ago) Permalink

Assuming most of you haven't seen this yet, I wonder if you can name the six Phillies who have hit 40 or more HR in a season? I got 5.

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 August 2013 01:55 (five years ago) Permalink

howard, schmidt, chuck klein...utley?...

k3vin k., Thursday, 8 August 2013 19:26 (five years ago) Permalink

utley never hit more than 33

k3vin k., Thursday, 8 August 2013 19:27 (five years ago) Permalink

those first 3 are correct

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 August 2013 19:36 (five years ago) Permalink

I looked up the answer and never in a million years would I have guessed the fifth one. (Hint: a long time ago)

polyphonic, Thursday, 8 August 2013 19:43 (five years ago) Permalink

you mean the sixth one? yeah, the oldest was the one everyone but the scholars would miss.

I was proud of remebering the other 2 post-expansion ones, though. (Hint: Greg Luzinski is wrong.)

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 August 2013 19:50 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't even know where to look up the answer

k3vin k., Thursday, 8 August 2013 19:53 (five years ago) Permalink

well, you could search 'Phillies' on this

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hitting/hihr4.shtml

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 August 2013 20:15 (five years ago) Permalink

oh thome, acourse

k3vin k., Thursday, 8 August 2013 20:17 (five years ago) Permalink

and the one we haven't mentioned besides Cy Williams, Richie (Dick) Allen, 1966

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 August 2013 22:16 (five years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

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The SABR Trivia Contest is moderated by D. Bruce Brown, co-chair of Horsehide Trivia with T. Scott Brandon and president of the Bob Davids Chapter in Washington/Baltimore. The questions are written and edited by Brown and Brandon, who also assembles the game boards, illustration and animation of the semifinal and final rounds.

The questions are presented in ascending difficulty. The early-round questions will be at a relatively easy starting point, while the late-round questions, though more difficult, will still interest casual fans.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 August 2014 21:00 (four years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Who are the 5 active pitchers with 25 or more career complete games? (All have pitched for teams in both leagues.)

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 August 2014 19:07 (four years ago) Permalink

guesses - buerhle, lee, burnett, kuroda?, colon?

johnny crunch, Monday, 25 August 2014 19:14 (four years ago) Permalink

sabathia?

polyphonic, Monday, 25 August 2014 19:18 (four years ago) Permalink

good guesses, click when ready

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/CG_active.shtml

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 August 2014 19:22 (four years ago) Permalink

well, Kuroda only has 6, so you whiffed on that one

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 August 2014 19:24 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah shoulda pulled cc, and it did strike me that kuroda rarely gets that deep in games

johnny crunch, Monday, 25 August 2014 20:52 (four years ago) Permalink

CC was the first person i thought of and no idea how i didn't think of #5

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 August 2014 20:56 (four years ago) Permalink

My guess were: Colon Buerhle Burnett Lee and Hudson.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 25 August 2014 21:31 (four years ago) Permalink

guesses.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 25 August 2014 21:31 (four years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

since 1914, 16 pitchers have made 10 or more career opening-day starts. how many can you name?

mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 23:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Guesses all:

Spahn, Seaver, Clemens, Whitey Ford, Carlton, Randy Johnson, Maddux (doubtful about that one because of inter-staff competition), Phil Niekro, Sutton, Halladay, Blyleven, Morris, Mussina, Kaat, Walter Johnson (not sure of the timeline there...), Fergie Jenkins.

Sat there for 10 minutes typing that, and I'd be surprised if I got more than half.

clemenza, Thursday, 12 March 2015 00:00 (three years ago) Permalink

i will deliver the answers tomorrow!

mookieproof, Thursday, 12 March 2015 00:08 (three years ago) Permalink

Other than picking HOF-level pitchers who also pitched forever, I don't really know how to approach this problem. Basing it on a list of 300-game winners is a good start:

Spahn, Seaver, Clemens, Ryan, Carlton, Randy Johnson, Maddux, Morris, Perry, Wynn, Grove, Halladay, Feller, Gibson, Pedro, Sabathia

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 12 March 2015 10:33 (three years ago) Permalink

Maddux has to be one I can't believe otherwise

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 12 March 2015 13:02 (three years ago) Permalink

From Clem's list I'm substracting Morris, Mussina and adding Pettite and Marichal. Somewhere Hubbell has to be in there somewhere.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 12 March 2015 13:04 (three years ago) Permalink

Tom Seaver 16 NYM,CIN,CHW
Jack Morris 14 DET,MIN,TOR
Randy Johnson 14 SEA,ARI,NYY
Steve Carlton 14 PHI
Robin Roberts 13 PHI,HOU
Roger Clemens 13 BOS,TOR,NYY
Bert Blyleven 12 TEX,PIT,CLE,MIN,CAL
CC Sabathia 11 CLE,NYY
Dennis Martinez 11 BAL,MON,CLE
Walter Johnson 11 WSH
Fergie Jenkins 11 CHC,TEX,BOS
Pete Alexander 11 PHI,CHC,STL
Warren Spahn BSN,MLN
Juan Marichal 10 SFG
Roy Halladay 10 TOR,PHI
Bob Gibson 10 STL

Don Sutton, Rick Sutcliffe, Nolan Ryan, Steve Rogers, Brad Radke (!), Gaylord Perry, Phil Niekro, Livan Hernandez and Mark Buehrle have each started nine. (Niekro went 0-7 with a 7.31 ERA in those starts.) List: http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/share.cgi?id=9KGd6

mookieproof, Thursday, 12 March 2015 14:09 (three years ago) Permalink

i saw one of radke's lol

mookieproof, Thursday, 12 March 2015 14:11 (three years ago) Permalink

For Seaver to be considered the best starter on his team for 16 years is pretty incredible

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Thursday, 12 March 2015 14:12 (three years ago) Permalink

I would have been way off. Blue Jays fan will be able to tell me this: what are the chances of Buehrle entering this particular pantheon this year?

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 12 March 2015 14:53 (three years ago) Permalink

it's been dickey the last two years; could go either way, i guess

mookieproof, Thursday, 12 March 2015 15:19 (three years ago) Permalink

man the list of pirates opening day starters from like '94-'10

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/PIT/opening.shtml

it's like a list of popes between gregory i and gregory ii, only half of them are sisinnius

mookieproof, Thursday, 12 March 2015 15:29 (three years ago) Permalink

dennis martinez is the most surprising name on the list, for me

who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Thursday, 12 March 2015 15:29 (three years ago) Permalink

he was the only one of the 16 that no one in my office guessed

mookieproof, Thursday, 12 March 2015 15:31 (three years ago) Permalink

i don't even know who Robin Roberts is.

AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 12 March 2015 15:33 (three years ago) Permalink

'good morning america' anchor

mookieproof, Thursday, 12 March 2015 15:35 (three years ago) Permalink

jeezus man, he had 286 wins and I didn't even hafta look it up

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 March 2015 15:41 (three years ago) Permalink

Who is the only shortstop in history with 5000+ PA and less than ten stolen bases? (You know his name.)

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 March 2015 15:48 (three years ago) Permalink

he retired well over a decade before I was born! aside from that, his name never came up in trivia or anything else - looks like he was a fringy HOF'er. oh well... the more i know!
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AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 12 March 2015 15:49 (three years ago) Permalink

Led NL in WAR for pitchers every year 1950-54... Fringy!

http://joeposnanski.com/joevault/?p=116

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:03 (three years ago) Permalink

ya - he did have a good run there – most of what he did looks like it was through sheer volume tho.

AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:12 (three years ago) Permalink

I should have had Roberts (I have his autograph on an old baseball book) and Alexander; I thought Gibson and Marichal had too short a prime, but I guess they were opening-day starters for the entire duration; Sabathia somewhat of a surprise; Martinez definitely a surprise.

clemenza, Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:17 (three years ago) Permalink

Who is the only shortstop in history with 5000+ PA and less than ten stolen bases? (You know his name.)

my guess for this was close, but no cigar (15 SBs)

who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:29 (three years ago) Permalink

at least the answer knows his limitations -- some of these dudes should have run a lot less

mookieproof, Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:41 (three years ago) Permalink

Nomar?

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:34 (three years ago) Permalink

nope

i read it in the new BP annual

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Ah no. Nomar stole 22 bases in his rookie year alone.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:36 (three years ago) Permalink

i got jose reyes, on the younger side

Karl Malone, Friday, 24 August 2018 16:12 (five months ago) Permalink

if you're younger than bartolo colon, the answer for the second part defaults to bartolo colon, because i guess it defaults to the oldest "last player older than you were to play in the majors"? i don't know, the first part is more interesting anyways

na (NA), Friday, 24 August 2018 16:25 (five months ago) Permalink

yeah, i guess the second question becomes more interesting once you're older than all of the active players. i'm working on it!

Karl Malone, Friday, 24 August 2018 16:27 (five months ago) Permalink

I got Melvin Upton. My friend I sent it to is going to get Pujols, which is really gonna fuck him up because Pujols Is Old has been a bit of a running joke w/ us

challops trap house (Will M.), Friday, 24 August 2018 19:57 (five months ago) Permalink

hell there are half a dozen managers younger than me now

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 August 2018 20:12 (five months ago) Permalink

Both sides of that are broken. It gave me Aramis Ramirez for first player younger than me. He was born about six months after I was. Several players were born between the two dates.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 24 August 2018 20:27 (five months ago) Permalink

Fred Manrique on the young end--never heard of him. (Debuted in '81 for the Jays, also played for the Expos.) Julio Franco at the other end.

clemenza, Friday, 24 August 2018 20:41 (five months ago) Permalink

I got Alex Rodriguez (born ten months after me) and Colon (still older than me, so the dream of playing in MLB is alive).

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 25 August 2018 06:15 (five months ago) Permalink

Benji Gil / Raul Ibañez

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 26 August 2018 00:51 (five months ago) Permalink

I had done this before through Baseball Reference. Got same answer...

Alex Fernandez & Mariano Rivera

earlnash, Sunday, 26 August 2018 03:14 (five months ago) Permalink

Jose Bautista (Braves, Mets, Phillies) will become the third player to appear for three teams in a single division in the same season. The others:

-Kelly Johnson, 2014 (Red Sox, Yankees, Orioles)

-Bob Reynolds, 1975 (Tigers, Indians, Orioles)

— Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo) August 28, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 17:11 (five months ago) Permalink

Both sides of that are broken. It gave me Aramis Ramirez for first player younger than me. He was born about six months after I was. Several players were born between the two dates.

― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, August 24, 2018 4:27 PM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but the players between, did they play before aramis did? the point is, it tells you who was the first player to suit up for a game who was younger than you. aka the first time you could turn on a game and say "oh i'm not younger than all ballplayers now." it's not just "who's closest to you in age."

also says on the side that as long as there's a player older than you, it'll just show the oldest active player. when all players are younger than you, that's when the second part becomes interesting.

challops trap house (Will M.), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 17:27 (five months ago) Permalink

Hmm, looks like you're correct. None of the guys in the interim debuted before Aramis.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 17:35 (five months ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

mookie betts could become the fourth player to win an MVP, batting title, gold glove and silver slugger all in the same year. who were the other three?

(note: the silver slugger awards began in 1980)

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 15:12 (four months ago) Permalink

Two quick guesses: Ichiro, Altuve.

clemenza, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 15:27 (four months ago) Permalink

ichiro is correct

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 15:30 (four months ago) Permalink

there's no chance it's cabrera, is it? or trout? seems too easy

vote no on ilxit (Will M.), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 15:39 (four months ago) Permalink

Matt Kemp?

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 15:39 (four months ago) Permalink

i don't think anyone ever accused miguel cabrera of being a gold glover

one of these players is active

the other is retired, but there is an ILB thread bearing his name

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 15:48 (four months ago) Permalink

holy shit, willie mcgee, '85! is there anything he can't do

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 16:18 (four months ago) Permalink

^^^

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 16:21 (four months ago) Permalink

the other is joe mauer, 2009

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 16:23 (four months ago) Permalink

i just checked the 2001 bWAR leaders re MVP; Jason Giambi wuz robbed

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 16:47 (four months ago) Permalink

(also Bret Boone higher than Ichiro w/ Seattle)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 16:49 (four months ago) Permalink

tru

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 16:53 (four months ago) Permalink

still can't quite believe it wasn't obvious that Gooden was the MVP of '85

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 16:54 (four months ago) Permalink

i only guessed miggy because a) i wasn't watching when he was young and who knows, and b) they've given some fairly dubious gold gloves before no?

vote no on ilxit (Will M.), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 17:33 (four months ago) Permalink

James went on a big tirade in the '86 Abstract about McGee, but that was in defense of Dale Murphy, not Gooden. Strange, because the following year, he wrote a long piece analyzing the MVP cases for Clemens and Mattingly (base on their '86 seasons). Can't remember what he concluded, but he clearly was open to a pitcher winning (as he was in '78, when he wrote a similar piece analyzing Rice vs. Guidry).

WAR has McGee considerably higher than Murphy in '85. I'd have to go back and check, but I think I encountered resistance here a few years ago when I first suggested Verlander as an obvious MVP candidate in 2011 (Bautista seemed to be the preferred choice).

clemenza, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 19:14 (four months ago) Permalink

2011 AL MVP

The resistance shows up more in the vote totals (10-3 for Bautista) than the comments. There's one I could quote, though. But I won't.

clemenza, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 19:22 (four months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

if vlad jr. homers in the majors before june 1, he will become the youngest toronto blue jay to do so. who currently holds that record?

mookieproof, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 17:37 (two months ago) Permalink

Good one. No idea...Danny Ainge?

clemenza, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 18:30 (two months ago) Permalink

indeed! nice

mookieproof, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 18:40 (two months ago) Permalink

Total guess, based on the fact that he played for the Jays before he played in the NBA, so I figured he must have been young. I'm very impressed with myself.

clemenza, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:48 (two months ago) Permalink

for no particular reason, here are the top 50 defensive single seasons (since integration) by fangraphs' DEF metric


Season Name Team Def
1975 Mark Belanger Orioles 43.7
1999 Rey Ordonez Mets 41.1
1989 Ozzie Smith Cardinals 40.2
1999 Andruw Jones Braves 38.5
1998 Andruw Jones Braves 37.4
1968 Brooks Robinson Orioles 36.9
1964 Ron Hansen White Sox 36.7
1960 Luis Aparicio White Sox 36.2
1987 Ozzie Guillen White Sox 36
1967 Brooks Robinson Orioles 35.9
1983 Gary Carter Expos 35.6
1979 Buddy Bell Rangers 35.6
1968 Mark Belanger Orioles 35.5
1992 Devon White Blue Jays 35.1
1973 Mark Belanger Orioles 35
1998 Robin Ventura White Sox 34.4
1970 Aurelio Rodriguez - - - 34.1
1971 Graig Nettles Indians 33.9
1961 Clete Boyer Yankees 33.8
1963 Ron Hansen White Sox 33.7
1996 Ken Griffey Jr. Mariners 33.5
2009 Franklin Gutierrez Mariners 33.4
2001 Rey Sanchez - - - 33.4
1976 Mark Belanger Orioles 33.1
1973 Bobby Grich Orioles 32.9
1996 Ivan Rodriguez Rangers 32.7
1959 Ernie Banks Cubs 32.4
1992 Darrin Jackson Padres 32.2
1984 Cal Ripken Orioles 31.9
1991 Cal Ripken Orioles 31.8
1962 Clete Boyer Yankees 31.8
2006 Adam Everett Astros 31.7
1967 Hal Lanier Giants 31.1
1999 Pokey Reese Reds 31
1976 Graig Nettles Yankees 30.9
1990 Cal Ripken Orioles 30.7
1964 Bobby Knoop Angels 30.7
1966 Ed Brinkman Senators 30.5
1995 John Valentin Red Sox 30.4
1974 Mark Belanger Orioles 30.4
1988 Ozzie Guillen White Sox 30.4
1965 Gene Alley Pirates 30.3
2007 Omar Vizquel Giants 30.2
1989 Barry Bonds Pirates 30.1
1956 Jim Piersall Red Sox 30.1
1969 Ed Brinkman Senators 30
1984 Kirby Puckett Twins 30
1989 Cal Ripken Orioles 29.8
1995 Cal Ripken Orioles 29.7
1954 Chico Carrasquel White Sox 29.6
1986 Jody Davis Cubs 29.6
1980 Ozzie Smith Padres 29.6
1970 Ed Brinkman Senators 29.6

Karl Malone, Sunday, 2 December 2018 23:25 (two months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

probably this is not obscure trivia, but i didn't realize until this morning that in 1981 the Reds and Cardinals had the best two records in the National League, and neither team made the playoffs.

Karl Malone, Friday, 28 December 2018 17:00 (one month ago) Permalink

Not only that, but the NL team with the 3rd best record (Los Dodgers) won the World Series, with a killer team:

Opening Day Lineup

Davey Lopes Second baseman
Ken Landreaux Center fielder
Dusty Baker Left fielder
Steve Garvey First baseman
Ron Cey Third baseman
Pedro Guerrero Right fielder
Mike Scioscia Catcher
Bill Russell Shortstop
Fernando Valenzuela Starting pitcher

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 28 December 2018 17:11 (one month ago) Permalink

most of the lower minor leagues play half-seasons like this, which sort of makes sense because there's so much roster turnover but also makes no sense at all because any decent players from the first-half champs will have been promoted and minor league playoffs are entirely pointless anyway

mookieproof, Friday, 28 December 2018 20:41 (one month ago) Permalink

Yup, minor league allstars are the kings of cockblock.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 28 December 2018 21:25 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't agree that they're pointless. Obviously, a team can be upended at any time by call-ups, but it's otherwise like any other competitive team sport - you try to win, try to beat your rivals, etc. I don't believe it's pointless to the players or to the fans of teams.

timellison, Friday, 28 December 2018 22:38 (one month ago) Permalink

Due to a strike in mid-season, the season was divided into a first half and a second half. The division winner of the first half (denoted E1, W1) played the division winner of the second half (denoted E2, W2).

wow, I never knew about this! crazy

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 28 December 2018 23:01 (one month ago) Permalink

The Reds/Cardinals story was one of the many subplots in the split-season book I just finished. I knew about that, but what I'd forgotten was that baseball had boxed itself into a situation where, for the first time ever, it was theoretically possible that certain teams might benefit towards the end by throwing a game--either in picking their opponent for the extra playoff round, or even in determining whether or not they made the playoffs. Herzog and LaRussa were both asked by reporters if they would intentionally lose game if doing so would ensure a playoff spot, and both, without hesitation, said they would. Which of course sent Bowie Kuhn around the bend.

They scrambled around and came up with some fix that sort of worked.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 December 2018 00:15 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't agree that they're pointless. Obviously, a team can be upended at any time by call-ups, but it's otherwise like any other competitive team sport - you try to win, try to beat your rivals, etc. I don't believe it's pointless to the players or to the fans of teams.

when MLB rosters expand on sept 1, most teams (well, not the mets or white sox or blue jays) call up their best triple-a and double-a players. so everyone else slides up a level to fill the vacuum, and suddenly you have minor league playoff teams whose rosters barely resemble what they were two weeks previously, let alone months earlier.

not to mention the things like josh donaldson 'rehabbing' for double-a akron in their playoffs, and the fact that school's back in and no one comes to the games -- triple-a columbus has actually let people in free for playoff games the last few years just so they might buy food.

winning is better and more fun than losing, sure, and players are obviously competitive. but team records and titles in the minors have no correlation to major league success. the point of playing in the minors is not to help the class a team win, it's to move up and help the big league team win get fucking paid

mookieproof, Saturday, 29 December 2018 00:51 (one month ago) Permalink

Your argument was that they are "entirely pointless," though, and I think they're clearly not, nor should they be. I understand that AAA playoff rosters can be affected even more by call-ups than a team normally is. But is there not a core of a team that generally remains? In any case, I am sure there's fun in the competition regardless and I am sure that the players enjoy that aspect of it, as do fans. There seems to be an element to your argument that minor league baseball in general is irrelevant, that the games are not "the point" of the whole enterprise, but I see no reason to put that negative slant on the whole thing and if I lived in a town with a minor league team it would be a lot more fun to root for them than not to bother.

timellison, Saturday, 29 December 2018 01:38 (one month ago) Permalink

Actually, I do live in a town with a minor league (AHL) hockey team. Players get called up and it affects things. There are pretty big rivalries between some of the teams in their division.

timellison, Saturday, 29 December 2018 01:45 (one month ago) Permalink

There seems to be an element to your argument that minor league baseball in general is irrelevant

feeling very seen lol

if fans derive pleasure from their local minor league teams winning, then that is wonderful; perhaps i am too cynical

mookieproof, Saturday, 29 December 2018 02:08 (one month ago) Permalink

Actually, I do live in a town with a minor league (AHL) hockey team.

The Gulls??!?!?!?! I recall sitting in the stands next to Kim Alexis, who at my 17 year old self, had never seen such a beautiful woman in such close proximity. She was very kind to us nerds!

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 29 December 2018 05:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Yes! Their biggest rival is Ontario.

timellison, Saturday, 29 December 2018 06:09 (one month ago) Permalink

By bWAR, Paul Goldschmidt has been seven times as valuable as any other #246 draft pick in baseball history. Oh, hang on. My mistake. He has been seven times as valuable as EVERY other #246 draft pick in baseball history, COMBINED. https://t.co/5vwR9t7ikt

— AZ SnakePit (@AZSnakepit) January 2, 2019

mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 20:29 (one month ago) Permalink

I remember we talked a bit about that two years ago, and karl malone linked to this SI piece:

http://www.si.com/mlb/strike-zone/2014/06/09/mike-piazza-keith-hernandez-albert-pujols-late-round-draft-picks

clemenza, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 20:50 (one month ago) Permalink

Goldschmidt's "DROP," by the way, has moved to 1964.9, which would put him 5th on the SI list, just shy of Kenny Rogers at 4th. If he puts up 4.0 WAR this year, he'd move up to 3rd. Catching Pizza for first (another 35 WAR) highly unlikely.

clemenza, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 21:03 (one month ago) Permalink


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