will Ichiro make it to 200 hits this year?

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Its quite a down year for Ichiro - only batting .271 and 92 hits at the halfway point in the season. He's projected to only have 182 hits. Can he turn it around this season and make it 11 straight seasons over 200?

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No 8
Yes 6


van smack, Saturday, 2 July 2011 16:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

I say he barely makes it - just over 200

van smack, Saturday, 2 July 2011 16:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'll take the under - somewhere between 185-190.

Josef K-Doe (WmC), Saturday, 2 July 2011 17:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

voted no. sad.

carstens, Saturday, 2 July 2011 17:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

he's had some spurts this year where he's had a run of games with a bunch of hits, kinda think history shows he can break out at any time. and he's def had some seasons w/crazy splits w/r/t batting average; he hit .259 in the second half of '03 and there are several other years where he hit under .300 in a half. they were less noticeable because they were always in the second half, though. i could see him finishing with 203 hits or something, but then again he is going to be 38 years old just after the end of the season and it could just be age catching up to him and he could finish well shy of 200. ain't no shame in that after the past ten years.

omar little, Saturday, 2 July 2011 17:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

Based on what he's done through 86 team games, he's need to hit about .325 the rest of the way. My guess is that he'll make it, barely, but 3,000 hits seems much less likely than it did at the beginning of the season. Most of his numbers are pretty bad this year.

clemenza, Thursday, 7 July 2011 03:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

Interesting stuff from his player page at Baseball Reference: he's scored exactly 111 runs four different times (and 110 once), and it now costs $1,115 to sponsor his page.

clemenza, Thursday, 7 July 2011 03:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

i voted yes, a vote for ichiro is a vote for life!

ice cr?m, Thursday, 7 July 2011 04:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

otm

bros -izing bros (k3vin k.), Thursday, 7 July 2011 04:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

sad that the favorite players of my childhood are all washed up now :(

bros -izing bros (k3vin k.), Thursday, 7 July 2011 04:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

no

buzza, Thursday, 7 July 2011 05:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Most of his numbers are pretty bad this year.

No need to qualify it, he's had two, maybe three good seasons with the bat in his career, and BR's oWAR will back me up on this one.

I'm gonna be all Morbs-ian with this one and say that I couldn't care less if he achieves this meaningless counting stat. Getting 200 hits again would be cool, but that's like saying that it'll be cool to see Jeter get his 3000th hit even though he sucks now and shouldn't be playing (see also: Craig Biggio).

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 9 July 2011 12:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

"No need to qualify it, he's had two, maybe three good seasons with the bat in his career, and BR's oWAR will back me up on this one."

Uh BR's oWAR doesn't have a single season where he's less than 3.1 oWAR. This is his first pretty bad year.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 9 July 2011 13:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Seattle fan at Dodger/SABR game last night was badmouthing him: selfish, won't hit lower than first, has deteriorated defensively, etc.

joyless shithead (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 9 July 2011 15:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost I was thinking more along the lines of "really good" ... he's usually in the 3-4 WAR range. That's plenty good enough to have a regular job, but it's not All-Star level.

If he's really finished as a .330/200 hits/year guy, then is he HOF-worthy? If you discount the intangibles (first Japanese everyday position player, his numbers from Japan) then he's basically a faster Kirby Puckett without the power. And Puckett's election is considered borderline by many people.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 9 July 2011 15:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

you're discounting the fact that ichiro brought a tremendous amount of defensive value to the table

Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 9 July 2011 16:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ichiro was a very good to great defensive player (depending on what metrics you look at), a great base stealer and frankly I don't see how you can discount his numbers from Japan (or at least understand that you can't judge his 10 really good/great years from age 27+ in the States against guys who started here when they were in their early 20s). And his offensive numbers overall are still pretty impressive (just not if you only focus on OPS+). This isn't Lou Brock we are talking about here. Was he the best player of his generation? Good lord, no. But he's been one of the consistently top 10-15 position players for a 10 year stretch starting from when he was 27 (and he probably would have been for 5 more years if he'd come here when he was 22). That's HOF-worthy in my opinion.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 9 July 2011 16:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

uh yeah wtf ichiro is a lock and rightfully so

bros -izing bros (k3vin k.), Saturday, 9 July 2011 16:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm not sure about a lock. but forgetting this season - i'm not sure there's anyone else i'd rather have hitting leadoff over the last decade than Ichiro.

karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 9 July 2011 17:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

He is an obvious first ballot guy.

polyphonic, Saturday, 9 July 2011 18:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

he's basically a faster Kirby Puckett without the power.

I know he hasn't hit that many homeruns over his career, but the guy can hit a homerun anytime he wants to. He has pretty good power tbh. He knocks them out all the time in BP. Obviously it's not his job to hit for power, but still.

van smack, Saturday, 9 July 2011 18:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

In the business world, that is called a misallocation of resources.

it's a meme i made and i like (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 9 July 2011 18:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't think he can hit a homer anytime he wants one when he isn't facing batting practice fastballs.

polyphonic, Saturday, 9 July 2011 18:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think Alex's post above sums it up well: automatic first-ballot for me. (Mind you, I don't have a problem with Lou Brock, either.) I know this is a gooey, old-fashioned statement--the kind I was often taken to task for last year; not looking for another one of those dead-ends--but Ichiro's uniqueness goes above and beyond his numbers, which in and of themselves (minus this year) are pretty impressive.

clemenza, Saturday, 9 July 2011 21:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

you're discounting the fact that ichiro brought a tremendous amount of defensive value to the table

In my first couple of posts, I was only talking about his hitting. As for his HOF-case, defense counts for a lot, definitely.

and frankly I don't see how you can discount his numbers from Japan

Why not? Do we really know how to compare performances across different leagues on different continents? It's not as clear cut as you're making it out to be, especially considering that Ichiro is the *only* Japanese player to successfully make the jump to MLB -- by "success", I mean putting up numbers that were about as good as his numbers in Japan. In fact, Ichiro and Matsui were the only star-quality players to make the jump since '01, and Matsui's wasn't nearly as good as he was in Japan.

Stuff in his favour: 1) he was a really unique player for his time, and one of those special guys who "could have played in any era", 2) he was the only position player to "successfully" made the jump from Japan to MLB -- this just shows how much tougher it is to be a star in MLB and the fact that so many others players flamed out can't be held against Ichiro, it just shows how much better he was/is than all of them, 3) was top 20 in WAR nearly every year for ten years (although mostly around #6-15), led the league in 2004 and broke the all-time single season hit record, 4) was a great defender, which definitely helps him re: #3 -- he wasn't really among the league's best players in most years, but he was probably the best at his position during that time.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 9 July 2011 22:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Not sure if this analogy will convince anyone, but:

Ichiro was famous in Japan for piling up hits and winning batting titles (7 in a row, flirted with .400 a couple of times). He comes to Seattle as 27-year-old and proceeds to pile up hits, win a couple of batting titles, set an important single-season record, and, if he continues to play for a couple of more years (not certain), get within range of 3,000 hits.

If Sadaharu Oh had come over to MLB as a 27-year-old in 1967 and continued to hit 40+ home runs a year for the next decade, won a couple of home run titles, broke Maris's single-season record, and gotten within range of 500 career homers, I don't think there's any doubt he'd have gone into the Hall of Fame, likely on the first ballot.

clemenza, Saturday, 9 July 2011 23:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

I should say, I'm not equating the value of singles to home runs (duh). Just trying to suggest a way to give Ichiro's Japanese years some context.

clemenza, Saturday, 9 July 2011 23:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Do we really know how to compare performances across different leagues on different continents?"

No, but we can't discount those years entirely and I think you have to look at his MLB years/stats in the context of his missing somewhere between 3-7 prime years because he was playing at a very level in what is probably the 2nd best league in the world.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Sunday, 10 July 2011 00:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Sunday, 10 July 2011 23:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was thinking about this today...because really, what else is there to think about?

If I were a manager, and I had to choose between five years of Ichiro at his best or five years of Bobby Abreu at his best, I'd probably take Abreu. Even accounting for defense and speed, I think Abreu would be worth more to the team. It'd be close--if nothing else, you'd have more flexibility with Abreu.

If I were a HOF voter seven or eight years from now and I had the same choice, I'd vote Ichiro in a second. That is probably an indefensible contradiction to a lot of people, but the Hall of Fame to me is not, strictly speaking, the Hall of Sabermetrics or Hall of WAR. 90-95% of the time it is. But there are exceptions, and Ichiro would be one of them for me.

clemenza, Monday, 11 July 2011 00:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

"If I were a manager, and I had to choose between five years of Ichiro at his best or five years of Bobby Abreu at his best, I'd probably take Abreu."

I'd take Ichiro (and I'd make him play CF) in a second. The difference between their defense is bigger than their offense. Plus Ichiro's best years post-27 were better than anything Abreu achieved in his entire career.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 11 July 2011 12:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

the consistency of his excellence, and its longevity, make him a lock imo

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 11 July 2011 13:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

come on, an uninterrupted decade of 200+ hits. dayum.

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 11 July 2011 13:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

love that guy. even when he was with the yankees i loved him.

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 11 July 2011 14:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 11 July 2011 23:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

2 for 24 in last 5 games

velko, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 05:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Ichiro Suzuki bolstered his chances at another 200-hit season by going 4-for-5 with a home run as the Seattle Mariners topped the visiting Kansas City Royals 7-3 on Friday.

Ichiro, vying to become the first major leaguer to reach the 200-hit plateau in 11 straight seasons, is 33 shy with 18 games remaining.

buzza, Saturday, 10 September 2011 06:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-ZpHr5l0U0

omar little, Saturday, 10 September 2011 07:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

no

― buzza

buzza, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 03:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

so what happens in two days? does Ichiro do the honourable thing?

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 17:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ask for a trade? I hope so.

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

The good news is, his Baseball Reference page is available to anyone who wants to sponsor it for a mere $1,585.

clemenza, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

folks suggest that ichiro's speed is down, which is reason for his decline both offensively and defensively (how many infield hits does he have this year compared to other seasons?), but he still swiped 40 bags this year (to date) with only 7 caught. i wouldn't be surprised to see him make a bit of a comeback next year, since i figure at this point he's even more of a singles hitter than he was before and singles hitters like ichiro and derek jeter can obviously still put up the batting average even after decline years.

omar little, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 19:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah I'm not going to belive Ichiro is done until he has a couple seasons like this
I mean really, even Jeets is having a good season and was way more likely to be "washed up"

frogbs, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 19:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

Jeter's OPS + the last 2 seasons: 90, 98
Ichiro's: 112, 85

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 19:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

jeter's doing alright, he's basically having a good "singles hitter" year offensively and playing his usual shit D.

omar little, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 19:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

I just looked it up, I'm actually kinda stunned that Jeter's only had one good fielding year and that was 2009

I realize he's never been a good fielder (despite winning Golden Gloves for some reason) but I would at least have thought he would have been about average ten years ago

frogbs, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 19:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think you missed the first decade of the "Jeter Can't Field" wars.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 20:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

B-b-but what about when he dove into the stands for that foul ball or flipped the ball to the catcher and got Giambi out??!?!

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 20:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah I only really had whatever ESPN told me back then

frogbs, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 20:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

those awards are used as cake icing for superstars having good offensive seasons usually and we have to remember that a gold glove was once awarded to viagra spokesman/anti-steroid activist rafael palmeiro during a season in which he played something like 15-20 games at first base and the remainder at DH.

omar little, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 21:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

since the other thread is on ile

#Mariners outfielder Ichiro Suzuki is transitioning to the role of Special Assistant to the Chairman, effective today.

Read: https://t.co/HlZyrGdcVz pic.twitter.com/Gn4O2UB1Ee

— MarinersPR (@MarinersPR) May 3, 2018

mookieproof, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:09 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I was hoping for half a season of relief work.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:10 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Now I don’t feel as bad about walking Ichiro last night

— Brett Anderson (@BAnderson3737) May 3, 2018

mookieproof, Thursday, 3 May 2018 19:16 (eleven months ago) Permalink

so he is effectively being retired, i guess? i know he has said he never wants to retire

na (NA), Thursday, 3 May 2018 20:03 (eleven months ago) Permalink

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/22624561/ichiro-suzuki-return-seattle-mariners-resolve-internal-battle

I didn't know the stuff about the split with his father and the bleeding ulcer in 2009. I hope he can handle being taken off the field.

WilliamC, Thursday, 3 May 2018 20:21 (eleven months ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

just announced that this morning's game will be his last

heinrich boll weevil (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 21 March 2019 10:46 (one month ago) Permalink

dayum

xpost

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 March 2019 10:55 (one month ago) Permalink

that's an odd thing to do; but such is his way i guess.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:15 (one month ago) Permalink

lol he is older than me

rip van wanko, Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:42 (one month ago) Permalink

Ichiro and Kikuchi. 😢 pic.twitter.com/oeE9vATr2b

— Rob Friedman (@PitchingNinja) March 21, 2019

omar little, Thursday, 21 March 2019 16:32 (one month ago) Permalink

My favorite Ichiro stat is that critics were prepared for his batting average to take a real hit when he played for the Mariners (he hit .353 across 9 seasons playing for the Blue Wave)... he finished his MLB rookie season hitting .350.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 21 March 2019 22:12 (one month ago) Permalink

(my #2 favorite):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtImIqR5neU

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 22 March 2019 05:44 (four weeks ago) Permalink

hahaha

heinrich boll weevil (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 22 March 2019 10:38 (four weeks ago) Permalink


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