so who is home watching the draft?

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I'm not.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 7 June 2007 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Following it and the A's game on web at work.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 7 June 2007 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link


Leee, Thursday, 7 June 2007 22:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Ha, ha, ha.

Andy K, Thursday, 7 June 2007 23:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Page 44 is even better.

................ the Tigers!!!
That Sucks
Fuck. Motherfucking Tigers
God dammit!!!!
F you Tigers. Go to hell.
I lived in Detroit for 5 years. Detroit sucks
And they pick PORCEllo
And the dream dies.
The Tigers hate America
Oh well bring on Harvey.
I HATE you Tigers....First Miller last year and now Porcello.....
screw you, tigers
I hope he gives them hell to sign... and we beat them to the wildcard too..
That royally sucks... Harvey, anyone?
doh! he was over rated anyway
I really hate the Tigers.
Here's hoping that Porcello flops.
Crying, that was torture
Easy up lads. Let our boys do their work. I'm sure the day isn't ruined.
Meh, don't worry, high school pitchers suck
Knowing the Yankees' luck, he would abducted by aliens and never seen from again.

Andy K, Thursday, 7 June 2007 23:21 (fifteen years ago) link

i turned it on and watched what the Giants were doing. it sounds promising but they went with high school player mainly.

never thought i would watch something like this but did.

Bee OK, Friday, 8 June 2007 00:49 (fifteen years ago) link

but dud?

Dr Morbius, Friday, 8 June 2007 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link

but boras

bnw, Friday, 8 June 2007 17:02 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Haha well fuck you slotting system.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 16 August 2007 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Scott Boras is my fucking hero, I think.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 16 August 2007 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Also Dave Dombrowski should get someone else to taste his food for a while.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 16 August 2007 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, pretty funny. 10% higher than w/o the slotting system!

j.q higgins, Thursday, 16 August 2007 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Boras would make a great commissioner.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 16 August 2007 18:08 (fourteen years ago) link

“The only thing MLB can do is fine you if you don’t call them first,” said one scouting director, who then went into detail about the process, the annoyance in his voice coming through perfectly. “You call MLB and say you want to go over slot, and they tell you not to, and that they’ve worked so hard to put this system in place and that you are blowing everything up.” From there, things get uglier. “Now, the process can’t continue until MLB talks not to your GM, but to your ownership, where they will once again yell about your team messing everything up, but also often telling them that their own scouting director is doing the wrong thing here,” he added. “Unfortunately, there are owners who listen.”

The key to getting an over-slot deal done seems to then rely on having a supportive internal management structure. “In the end, you have to have a strong enough ownership where you can tell him that signing this player for big money is in the best interest of the organization,” he continued. “When that happens, the owner has to call MLB back and let them know that their message has been heard and considered, but we’re doing it anyway. Then after MLB yells at you one more time, you sign the guy. It’s a bad process.”

polyphonic, Thursday, 16 August 2007 18:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Things that rankle Selig: forgivable

Andy K, Thursday, 16 August 2007 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Neyer waiting for MLBN staff to admit not everyone becomes a star.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 18:13 (ten years ago) link

Larry Stone ‏@StoneLarry
In 16th round, Mariners take Clemson RHP Dominic Leone

Grusin' Gang (Andy K), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:09 (ten years ago) link

never realized dave cameron was 13 yrs old

what do you think of courtney hawkins?
Wednesday June 6, 2012 12:52
12:53 Dave Cameron: I just wish he would have done the back flip, gone down in a heap, grabbed his knee, screamed some obscenities, and then gotten up and told Kenny Williams that he got punk'd. That would have been hilarious.

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 18:22 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

so i'm sure mark appel was disappointed to fall to eighth overall when some thought he'd go first. but even if he moves up several slots next year, is the difference really going to make up for not getting paid this year/pushing back free agency?

also, if i'm the gm that takes him next year, i'd be like 'what are you gonna do now, play indy ball for a year? how's 50% of slot sound?'

mookieproof, Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:33 (nine years ago) link

He's gonna stay at Stanford and come out after his senior year.

polyphonic, Saturday, 14 July 2012 02:56 (nine years ago) link

indeed he is

mookieproof, Saturday, 14 July 2012 05:01 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

"dansby swanson"

also mark appel has a 5.74 era in 39 minor league appearances, has yet to reach triple-a, and turns 24 next month (i.e., he is exactly two weeks younger than michael wacha)

mookieproof, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 02:05 (seven years ago) link

Kade Scivicque

Andy K, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 18:59 (seven years ago) link

pirates picked a kid named jacob taylor, which pretty much covers all the bases name-wise

mookieproof, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 19:07 (seven years ago) link

skye bolt

Who M the best? (Will M.), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:47 (seven years ago) link

the real name of this draft is Andrew-Ben Nintendo though

Who M the best? (Will M.), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 22:53 (seven years ago) link

Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:08 (seven years ago) link

I mentioned this guy on a different thread (Jays thread, probably): Darren Shred, who I used to coach on our school team and who was on the National Junior team this year. He was drafted today by the Reds in the 22nd round. I don't know what percentage of picks in that range ultimately make it to the majors...pretty low, I would think. Amazed nonetheless. We knew he had the talent--his grade 8 year was the only time we won the tournament--less sure about his temperament and the obstacle of being Canadian (I assume that's still an obstacle to some degree). Another teacher told me he's supposed to drop by on Monday. I may try to hit him up for some money.

clemenza, Friday, 12 June 2015 22:19 (seven years ago) link

Thats awesome!!

AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 12 June 2015 22:57 (seven years ago) link

I can't even imagine what it would be like to be 19 and about to sign your first contract (or bonus, or whatever it was that he was signing today). The other coach and I were on Facebook a few weeks ago telling everyone how integral we were to his development. Which basically amounted to staying out of his way and watching him launch softballs over the portables.

clemenza, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:21 (seven years ago) link

looks like the reds took him as a pitcher? he might not sign, tho -- he's committed to chipola cc (where russell martin went!) in florida and could maybe move up. anyway that's awesome, congrats

mookieproof, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:42 (seven years ago) link

(joey bats, too)

mookieproof, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:43 (seven years ago) link

Thanks. (This is like putting up student art in the hallway, and people walk by and say how great it looks. "Thank you, thank you.") I knew he caught and pitched some--assumed he was drafted as a catcher, but I guess not. He played third for us, and of course had an incredible arm.

I want to go back 10 or 15 years and check a few 22nd rounds on Baseball Reference, see how many guys make it. I know about Piazza down in the 50th-whatever round. I wonder if there was a Votto-factor in why the Reds signed him.

clemenza, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:52 (seven years ago) link

(On their part, I mean, not Darren's.)

clemenza, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:53 (seven years ago) link

Darren came around to our school today--kicking myself for forgetting to get a photo with him. The guidance counselor brought him around to my class, so the kids got to ask him a few questions, I got to remind him how I was constantly telling him to turn around in class (something he seemed to have curiously little nostalgia for), and he signed the team photo I still have on my bulletin board from the championship year.

I'm curious about what he might have signed for. I looked at a tracking list for the first 10 rounds last year. The 315th guy got $150,000 as the locked-in amount. Darren was picked 655th, so I'm guessing in the $75,000-100,000 range? Mookieproof?

clemenza, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:12 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

Finally got around to doing some research into 22nd-round picks (in connection to Darren's chances of eventually making it to the majors). Best player out of 1,194 22nd-round picks ever to make the majors: John Smoltz. Worst: 1,102-way tie between those who didn't.

clemenza, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 20:53 (six years ago) link

whoa i didn't even know tripod still existed

signing bonuses remain ~mysterious~ to me. after the 10th round, anything over $100k counts against the bonus pool, so barring unusual circumstances -- like a long shot at getting someone to turn down a chance to play QB at LSU or something -- his bonus would be under that.

bonuses vary wildly, tho. insofar as anyone actually has leverage against a monopoly, high school kids can always decide to go to college university and wait three years -- or go to a junior college and wait one year. (no idea why the distinction.) most college players go pro after their third year, when they still have the option of staying in school and hoping next year's offer might be better. mark appel blew off the pirates' offer at #8 overall as a junior and became the top overall pick the following year. brady aiken spurned the astros' offer at #1 and blew out his elbow.

the most famous current 22nd-rounder i know is cody decker, who has carved out a nice quad-a career while also making himself an internet personality. he claims to have gotten a $600 signing bonus, but he was a fourth-year college player; it was pretty much take it or quit baseball.

based on his twitter it appears that darren signed with the reds? (still a jays fan tho!) he hasn't appeared in any 'real' games yet, and it remains unclear whether he's to pitch or hit, but he's also unusually young. having an offer from a reputable baseball junior college would suggest that his bonus was rather better than cody decker's tho.

mookieproof, Thursday, 13 August 2015 01:17 (six years ago) link

in any case, he'd be well advised to hoard whatever bonus he got, because even if he does well, his pay will not reach subsistence level for several years.

there are lawsuits in progress regarding minor league pay, but minor leaguers have no union and the MLB players union has proven very adept at pulling up the ladder.

there will also probably be some change to the draft system at some point. the draft currently only covers players from canada/usa/puerto rico and there are weird rules about the rest of the world, especially cuba. cespedes signing a big deal is one thing; he was major-league ready. yoan moncada signing a big deal as a 20-year-old while everyone else is figured into a rigid slot system is quite another. MLB would obviously like to have a worldwide draft, but everyone else would rather make all players free agents.

mookieproof, Thursday, 13 August 2015 01:32 (six years ago) link

I was amazed when I looked up what minor-leaguers were getting--the source I looked at said about $12-13 hundred a month, and $25 meal money a day (that can't be right). With the MLB minimum at $509,000 right now, getting your first call-up really is like winning the lottery.

Darren signed with the Reds, yes--as a pitcher. I think he's finished high school, but I'm not sure (and too lazy at the moment to go see what year I taught him).

The only two sites left on Tripod are me and a Spice Girls fan page.

clemenza, Thursday, 13 August 2015 02:57 (six years ago) link

should merge.

AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 13 August 2015 03:04 (six years ago) link

about $12-13 hundred a month, and $25 meal money a day (that can't be right)

it's more when you reach double- or triple-a, but yeah. (MiLB home run king mike hessman probably makes a couple hundred grand? better than an office job + fun, but hardly extraordinary for a guy whose spent 20 years in a sport dripping with money.)

and yeah getting a callup is enormous for these guys, and i will be pissed if the tigers/padres, having nothing else to lose, fail to call up hessman and decker this september

mookieproof, Thursday, 13 August 2015 03:22 (six years ago) link

nine months pass...

still no

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:20 (six years ago) link


― Leee, Thursday, June 7, 2007 6:53 PM (9 years ago

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:21 (six years ago) link

lol amazing

sox drafted some project high schooler from new jersey with a purportedly mean-ass curveball so what i'm saying is they drafted mike trout 2.0, obviously

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Friday, 10 June 2016 02:25 (six years ago) link

9 (283): @Royals select Stetson U RHP Walker Sheller.… #MLBDraft

mookieproof, Friday, 10 June 2016 22:12 (six years ago) link

4th (No. 115) - @Tigers select @UofLBaseball RHP Kyle Funkhouser. No. 58 on Top 200:

Andy K, Friday, 10 June 2016 22:34 (six years ago) link

the ol' funker

mookieproof, Saturday, 11 June 2016 00:12 (six years ago) link

"Overpowered by Funk" has gotta fit into his life somehow -- walkup music, post-strikeout stab on the PA, something.

pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Saturday, 11 June 2016 00:33 (six years ago) link

33 (979): @Braves select Northwest Florida State C Handsome Monica.!ft=team&fv=atl … #MLBDraft

there it is

mookieproof, Saturday, 11 June 2016 21:11 (six years ago) link


johnny crunch, Saturday, 11 June 2016 21:41 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

from 2011 by rany j, sad lol

In the 2011 draft, we had the rare circumstance where two highly-touted high school players, drafted close together, were widely separated by date of birth. With the #5 overall pick, the Kansas City Royals took the first high school hitter in the draft, world-class tools goof Bubba Starling. Three picks later, the Cleveland Indians took the second high school hitter off the board, Florida shortstop Francisco Lindor.

Dozens of articles were written on Starling and Lindor leading up to the draft, but to the best of my knowledge, not one of them made mention of this simple fact: while Starling was born on August 3, 1992 (he actually turned 19 before the signing deadline), Lindor was born on November 14—November 14, 1993. Lindor is more than 15 months younger than Starling and will be younger at the end of next season than Starling was on the day he was drafted.

There are many reasons to think that Starling, despite his advanced age, will meet the formidable expectations placed on him. And speaking as a Royals fan, I hope he does. But if these numbers are even close to being correct, the younger player should have been drafted first. It wouldn’t be the first time.

mookieproof, Monday, 12 June 2017 21:11 (five years ago) link

The Reds have selected shortstop Jeter Downs.

Andy K, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 11:46 (five years ago) link

third overall pick MacKenzie Gore has a leg kick

mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 19:12 (five years ago) link

in the 22nd round the new york yankees select, out of seattle university, RHP Janson Junk

mookieproof, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 18:42 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...


mookieproof, Thursday, 13 July 2017 14:25 (four years ago) link

Hey, David Clyde. Still remember the Sports Illustrated account of his debut--thought for sure he was on the cover, but no, George Allen.

Looked up the
boxscore of that first start. I remembered that he'd only given up the one hit (5 IP), had forgotten the seven walks and eight strikeouts. He walked Carew all three times. No pitch counts then, but the SI article has him down for 112. Run Luciano behind the plate.

clemenza, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:55 (four years ago) link

all the Mets names make me shiver still, except Sidd Finch

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:05 (four years ago) link

ten months pass...

In the 32nd round the #Yankees select shortstop Sincere Smith out of East Bladen HS.

— StatenIslandYankees (@SIYanks) June 6, 2018

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:11 (four years ago) link

eleven months pass...

anyone have thoughts about the draft tonight? looks like there's consensus on the top three picks and than anyone's guess after that.

i've been reading about the Jays likely pick at #11 and Jackson Rutledge seems to be the favourite (as far as these things go). sounds like another Nate Pearson, which is pretty exciting. but then i went and read about how the Jay's other top picks have gone and I got sad. again.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 3 June 2019 16:20 (three years ago) link

setting records for selecting college players over high schoolers

mookieproof, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 18:19 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

The only two players in the first 10 rounds who failed to sign pro contracts were Rangers seventh-rounder Brandon Sproat and Cubs ninth-rounder Wyatt Hendrie. A right-hander from Pace (Fla.) High, Sproat is committed to Florida. Hendrie, a catcher from Antelope Valley (Calif.) JC, would play at San Diego State next spring.

mookieproof, Friday, 12 July 2019 21:16 (two years ago) link

ten months pass...

ya, the fuck else am i going to do this evening

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 10 June 2020 17:03 (two years ago) link

Gotta say I’m pretty pumped Austin Martin fell to the Jays!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 11 June 2020 00:35 (two years ago) link

really missing sports, huh

mookieproof, Thursday, 11 June 2020 00:47 (two years ago) link

Who on earth is Heston Kjerstad????

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 11 June 2020 00:56 (two years ago) link

really like Milwaukee's pick

frogbs, Thursday, 11 June 2020 02:54 (two years ago) link

Yes I miss sports, I watched fucking marble racing with a friend a few days ago!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 11 June 2020 03:24 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

I posted earlier in this thread about having once taught and coached Darren Shred, drafted in 2015 by the Reds. I was back at the same school last week, and the new gym teacher, Nathan Forer, was drafted by the Yankees in 2010:

He said he's still involved in summer camps and such. I realize now that there's probably a decent chance I taught him in the '90s, when I was all over Brampton supplying, before I landed at Huttonville.

clemenza, Friday, 24 September 2021 14:06 (nine months ago) link

I can’t recall if I ever told you this, but a friend of mine got replaced by Pete Orr on his high school team and has an unrelenting hatred of the man to this day.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 25 September 2021 01:49 (nine months ago) link

Had to look up Pete Orr--actually got five years in.

clemenza, Saturday, 25 September 2021 03:35 (nine months ago) link

what an opening to the thread btw. vintage morbs and then leee accidentally being bang on about Bumgarner!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 25 September 2021 19:32 (nine months ago) link

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