The Cleveland Indians will never play baseball again

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brownie, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link

It's a world gone mad.

brownie, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link

you're doing a heck of a job, brownie.

j.q higgins, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link

At least Wild Thing has found more work.

Andy K, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I bet Bernie Brewer gets Chief Wahoo loaded

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Sausage making snow angels

Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link

How ya gonna keep 'em down in Cleveland
After they've seen Milwaukee

brownie, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link

With a feather?

David R., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I miss them already.

brownie, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link

You were my boo
Chief Wahoo

brownie, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link

lawrencekansas i kiss u

cankles, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Ok, because I live under a rock:

huh?

Will M., Wednesday, 11 April 2007 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Will, for god's sake, the Indians are playing in Milwaukee now.

brownie, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link

they're playing HOME games in Milwaukee

brownie, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Are there sausage races during this series?

mattbot, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link

according to the radio guys I heard last night, yes. There were 20K people there last night!

brownie, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Jeff Passan's lead yahoo article is actually pretty good.

Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah we're very proud of ourselves -- give wisconsinites the chance to see grady and vlad for $10 (and drink lots of leinenkugels) and we're on it

tonight's attendance will not be so grate as there is a massive storm on, it's brutal out there and a lot of people will be like 'eff this noize, "lost" is on'

Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Hey, a pretty good turnout for the series!

It's supposed to rain and snow this weekend in Clevo, we may be back

brownie, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link

They would never allow the White Sox to basically get home field advantage by playing in Milwaukee, so looks like 3 shitty days in Cleveland this weekend...

Baked Bean Teeth, Friday, 13 April 2007 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link

ok so I know it's only one blown save (er, it wasn't even a save situation!) but I'm getting that 2006 feeling.

brownie, Friday, 20 April 2007 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link

The problem: Joe Borowski IS NOT A CLOSER.

David R., Friday, 20 April 2007 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link

he's all we got! You have to go with the closer you have, not the closer you wish you had.

brownie, Friday, 20 April 2007 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link

There has to be someone less Borowski-ey in the Cleve pen.

David R., Friday, 20 April 2007 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link

or in the system.

granted, maybe wedge feels a bit scalded after the fausto carmona catastrophe.

j.q higgins, Friday, 20 April 2007 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link

Ironia: Fausto "Is A Punk Rocker" was NICE in the innings prior to Borowski schruting the pooch.

David R., Friday, 20 April 2007 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link

there is nobody, nowhere. Last year Carmona was the worst Cleveland pitcher since the 1899 Spiders defiled our great city with their boobery. NEVER FORGET

brownie, Friday, 20 April 2007 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link

This is just to say I would like to be defiled by some female boobery.

David R., Friday, 20 April 2007 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link

there is nobody, nowhere. Last year Carmona was the worst Cleveland pitcher since the 1899 Spiders defiled our great city with their boobery. NEVER FORGET

-- brownie, Friday, 20 April 2007 17:53 (1 week ago)

Carmona, come back. ALL IS FORGIVEN

brownie, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:03 (thirteen years ago) link

The problem: Joe Borowski IS NOT A CLOSER.

-- David R., Friday, April 20, 2007 11:59 AM (1 week ago)

DAVID R DO STAND BY YOUR WORDS??!?!

brownie, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:04 (thirteen years ago) link

CARMONA CHAMELEON, YOU COME AND GO

brownie, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:06 (thirteen years ago) link

My grammar and spelling are understandable under the circumstances.

brownie, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link

"DAVID R DO STAND BY YOUR WORDS??!?!"

Given the dude's allowed 3 runs in his last 6 appearances since that NY debacle, YES I DO.

David R., Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:50 (thirteen years ago) link

your words mean nothing

he is Wickman '07 redux

brownie, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link

that last part doesn't make much sense, I hate being sober

brownie, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link

he is Wickman '07 redux

YES HE IS

David R., Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link

good ol wicky

brownie, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link

that last appearance- three walks, brings back a lot of memories

brownie, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Keith Woolner of Baseball Prospectus has been hired as the Indians' Manager of Baseball Research and Analysis.

SO THEY'RE IN!

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link

illgamesh (Boston): Who's more likely to keep it up this year? Rich Hill or Fausto Carmona?

Nate Silver: Hill, and it isn't close. Carmona has just 20 strikeouts in 49.3 innings. He's been very lucky.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 21 May 2007 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Casey Blake (26) is closing in on Nap LaJoie's 101-year-mark (31) for the Indian's longest hitting streak.

Steve Shasta, Sunday, 17 June 2007 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link

"To tell the truth, I'm not excited to go to Cleveland, but we have to. If I ever saw myself saying I'm excited going to Cleveland, I'd punch myself in the face, because I'm lying"

- Ichiro Suzuki

Leee, Sunday, 17 June 2007 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link

We'd all like to flee to the Cleave'

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Sunday, 17 June 2007 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link

I may have jinxed Blake, he has one more AB probably today (0-3 through 7).

Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link

thanks, Steve

brownie, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link

where does one sit at jacobs?

gabbneb, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1690/sitbn2.jpg

mattbot, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Nice drop shadows.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link

brownie are you the former lawrence kansas?

mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Is I ever said I sat under one of those arrow's drop shadows, I'd punch myself in the face because I'd be lying.

Will M., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link

mookie - yes

brownie, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 13:55 (thirteen years ago) link

That seat in left-center really isn't too great.

Andy K, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link

that seat near 2nd base has great sightlines

gabbneb, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link

behind Grady Sizemore is cool with me.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Uh, Ben Francisco!

Andy K, Saturday, 30 June 2007 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Joe Sheehan cites Wedge's calling on Mastny vs Tigers as a critique of bullpen usage:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6421

Dr Morbius, Friday, 6 July 2007 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link

He had been particularly horrible against the Tigers. Even with his two recent runless appearances, his ERA against them this year is 12.46. Eight hits and seven walks in 4.1 innings.

Andy K, Friday, 6 July 2007 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link

http://espn.go.com/photo/2007/0710/mlb_picture396_530.jpg

Andy K, Thursday, 12 July 2007 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Kenny Lofton!

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Friday, 27 July 2007 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Say hey!

Andy K, Friday, 27 July 2007 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Lofty Kennton!

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Friday, 27 July 2007 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Haha -- Lofton just popped out on the first pitch with a big grimace on his face.

Andy K, Saturday, 28 July 2007 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link

C.C. Sabathia made a bold prediction before Monday's game.

"There's no doubt in my mind that we are going to win this division," he said. "I don't think there's anyone in this clubhouse who doesn't believe that."

...

"When we get hot, we're going to be hard to beat," said Sabathia. "We haven't even played our best bell yet."

Andy K, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 13:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Prox or Pruffalo, more like -- amirite?

Andy K, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Blake >> Cabrera >> Martinez
woot!

weatheringdaleson, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 07:44 (thirteen years ago) link

ngh (nyc): Can you think of a worse closer to lead the league in saves than Joe Borowoski?

Jeff Ma: No. I don't even consider Joe Borowski a closer... I thought that a fun way to decide the central would be to the Tigers and the Indians face off in a seven game series of one inning games where Todd Jones and Borowski would have to pitch each game. We need to make that happen.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 7 September 2007 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Always with the home home runs (no homer).

Andy K, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Cy Cy Sabathia

weatheringdaleson, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link

Borowski has been a bit better than his ERA indicates, as the guy got clocked for some huge runs in April. Of course part of that was A-Rod hitting a grand slam off of him.

I think Cleveland's pen could be OK for the playoffs. Bettancourt and Rafael Perez both looked sharp when I have saw them pitch and those are going to be the guys brought in when the game is really on the line with runners on base in the 6th, 7th & 8th.

earlnash, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Perez: 9.26 K/9, 0.85 WHIP, 1.41 ERA
Betansloth: 8.51 K/9, 0.75 WHIP, 1.48 ERA

Yeah, those two look pretty OK.

Andy K, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Borowski's still gonna pitch sometime and I wouldn't trust him to wash my car.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link

This will be my "playoff team," I think. It could just as easily be the Mets or Angels, though.

Andy K, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link

The Indians have been terrible against the Yankees and Red Sox this year. idk I can see them beating the Angels but beyond that :/

brownie, Thursday, 20 September 2007 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link

illgamesh (Boston): Who's more likely to keep it up this year? Rich Hill or Fausto Carmona?

Nate Silver: Hill, and it isn't close. Carmona has just 20 strikeouts in 49.3 innings. He's been very lucky.

-- Dr Morbius, Monday, May 21, 2007 4:31 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Link

i luv this

brownie, Thursday, 20 September 2007 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link

KRUK WUZ RITE

Andy K, Thursday, 20 September 2007 01:19 (thirteen years ago) link

? what'd he say

brownie, Thursday, 20 September 2007 01:21 (thirteen years ago) link

tied for best record in MLB, fwiw...

Steve Shasta, Thursday, 20 September 2007 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link

to get ahead of myself, anyone know the AL playoff scenario if it's BOSOX with the division win, Yanks wild card and Angels?

brownie, Saturday, 22 September 2007 01:19 (thirteen years ago) link

Kruk: Flipped out on Baseball Tonight (much to his peers' scoffs/cackles) when the Indians optioned Carmona in May.

Andy K, Saturday, 22 September 2007 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link

HI-V

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Sunday, 23 September 2007 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link

keep lovin' brownie, just cuz something is "more likely" is no guarantee.

In-season record vs teams, toss it.

No one will know the AL playoff scenario before someone clinches best record and the AL East.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 24 September 2007 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link

The Indians have been terrible against the Yankees and Red Sox this year. idk I can see them beating the Angels but beyond that :/

The pitching matchups during those series were all off. Sabathia didn't even start once in the six games they played the Yankees I don't think.

The Indians may win the World Series this year.

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 29 September 2007 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link

my April WS pick was Mets over Indians.

Dr Morbius, Saturday, 29 September 2007 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Vernon Bellecourt, Who Protested the Use of Indian Mascots, Dies at 75
By DOUGLAS MARTIN

Vernon Bellecourt, an Ojibwa Indian who waged a long campaign for native rights, most visible in battling the use of Indian nicknames by sports teams, died Oct. 13 in Minneapolis. He was 75.

The cause was complications of pneumonia, his sister-in-law, Peggy Bellecourt, said.

Mr. Bellecourt (pronounced BELL-kort) first gained notice in 1972 as a principal spokesman for the American Indian Movement when the group organized a cross-country caravan to Washington, where members occupied the offices of the Bureau of Indian Affairs. He later worked to gain international recognition for Indian nations and their treaties, partly by meeting with controversial foreign figures like Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi of Libya and Yasir Arafat, the Palestinian leader who died in 2004.

But it was as president of the National Coalition on Racism in Sports and Media that Mr. Bellecourt achieved his greatest visibility. When teams with names like the Indians, the Redskins or the Chiefs appeared in high-profile contests, he was often there to protest.

He was arrested twice for burning an effigy of the Cleveland Indians’ mascot, Chief Wahoo, and protested the Washington Redskins at the Super Bowl.

Mr. Bellecourt said Indian nicknames for sports teams perpetuated stereotypes, making it easier to forget the real identities, problems and demands of Native Americans.

The argument gained traction. In 2001, the United States Commission on Civil Rights criticized the use of Indian images and nicknames by non-Indian schools, calling them “insensitive in light of the long history of forced assimilation that American Indian people have endured in this country.”

With many other forces in play, how much Mr. Bellecourt’s campaign has influenced colleges and universities to abandon Indian mascots is hard to gauge. But in recent years, more than a half dozen have done so, including the University of Illinois this year. In 2005, the National Collegiate Athletic Association barred Indian mascots during postseason tournaments. A few newspapers have quit using Indian-related nicknames.

Professional sports teams have been more resistant, although Mr. Bellecourt applauded in 1996 when Syracuse’s Class AAA baseball team became the Skychiefs after 62 years of being the Chiefs. What Bellecourt called his “big four” targets — the Washington Redskins, the Kansas City Chiefs, the Cleveland Indians and the Atlanta Braves — have not budged.

Bellecourt was born WaBun-Inini, meaning Man of Dawn in Ojibwa, on Oct. 17, 1931, on the White Earth reservation in Minnesota. His father was disabled by mustard gas in World War I, and his mother raised 12 children on government benefits in a home with no running water or electricity.

Mr. Bellecourt dropped out of parochial school after the eighth grade and worked at odd jobs. He was convicted of robbing a bar in St. Paul and sent to prison at 19. (The state expunged the conviction from his record in 1979, The Star Tribune of Minneapolis reported.)

In prison, he learned how to be a barber, then went to beauty school after his release. He soon owned two beauty parlors in the Minneapolis area and thought he was on his way to being a millionaire, he told The Star Tribune in 1999. He moved to Denver and sold real estate.

A sense that he was losing his heritage combined with an admiration for his brother Clyde, a founder of A.I.M. in the late 1960s, led Mr. Bellecourt to help start an A.I.M chapter in Denver. He was soon involved as a spokesman and negotiator in the 1972 Washington demonstration, known as the Trail of Broken Treaties caravan. The next year, he played a small part in the 1973 occupation at Wounded Knee on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota.

In 1974, Bellecourt helped organize an international conference of native peoples under United Nations auspices to proclaim their rights. After Leonard Peltier was convicted for killing two F.B.I. agents during a shootout at Pine Ridge in 1975, Mr. Bellecourt became a leader in the campaign to free him.

Mr. Bellecourt’s first trip to see a foreign leader was in 1989 when he met with Col. Qaddafi, whom he described as a “very warm, sensitive human being,” and later visited at least a half dozen more times. In August 2007, he traveled to Venezuela to meet with President Hugo Chávez about getting free or cheap heating oil for Indian reservations.

Mr. Bellecourt is survived by his wife, Carol Ann Bellecourt, from whom he was separated; his companion, Janice Denny; six children; and seven grandchildren.

Mr. Bellecourt never stopped repeating that Indians were people, not mascots. At a playoff game in 1993 between the Minnesota Vikings and the Redskins, he declared, “We don’t like your chicken feathers, your paint, your cheap Hollywood chants.”

Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 18 October 2007 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link

RIP

mizzell, Thursday, 18 October 2007 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link

oh man if only the rockies could have booked him to throw out the first pitch

sanskrit, Thursday, 18 October 2007 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link

ha ha ha oh my

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 18 October 2007 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link

ah just bring in jose mesa

omar little, Friday, 19 October 2007 00:14 (thirteen years ago) link

lol victor martinez has no nickname

jhøshea, Friday, 19 October 2007 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link

four months pass...

That may change, though, if you happen to see him at a screening of "No Country for Old Men." Hafner looks just like Javier Bardem, who won an Oscar for playing a cold, calculated killer. Hafner's monotone voice is nearly identical to Bardem's, minus the Spanish accent. His large, muscular physique is also akin to Bardem's, and their faces are eerily similar.

Dellucci went to see the movie with Hafner, and says Hafner was so excited he made Dellucci miss the first 10 minutes to get the popcorn. When Dellucci got into the theater, Hafner was on the edge of his seat, transfixed by watching himself.

"What'd I miss?" Dellucci asked.

"Oh, I just got out of some handcuffs and killed a guy," Hafner responded.

G00blar, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 00:06 (twelve years ago) link

A+++++++++++++++

Andy K, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 00:43 (twelve years ago) link

twelve years pass...

EXCLUSIVE: For the past 105 years, the team was called the Indians. That will be no more as Cleveland has decided to change its name. Announcement from team could come as early as this week. w/@DavidWaldstein https://t.co/Nnw2nAoKcJ

— Michael S. Schmidt (@nytmike) December 14, 2020

mookieproof, Monday, 14 December 2020 01:31 (one month ago) link

Frankly embarrassed for any team that let the Hatcats get this done before they did

is right unfortunately (silby), Monday, 14 December 2020 01:32 (one month ago) link

About time!

Worse embarrassment now for the Braves.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 14 December 2020 01:48 (one month ago) link

never thought this would happen

, Monday, 14 December 2020 01:50 (one month ago) link

I’m really curious what they go with... I’m assuming they mean they’re announcing a new name next week?
Spiders? Cleveland Baseball Club? Barrons?!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 14 December 2020 02:18 (one month ago) link

going back to the Spiders would be really cool

frogbs, Monday, 14 December 2020 05:22 (one month ago) link

Cleveland owner Paul Dolan tells AP that team is dropping name but will continue to play as #Indians in 2021.
No new name chosen yet.
No interim name.
Tribe will not be a future option.

— Tom Withers (@twithersAP) December 14, 2020

mookieproof, Monday, 14 December 2020 18:59 (one month ago) link


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