worst contract out of these $100 million contracts

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you can take into consideration either the performances of the players during the contract or the likelihood that these guys would be any good in the future.

i see at least ten contracts that were or are likely to be really stupid, maybe more.

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121 Million Mike Hampton 2001 6
136 Million Alfonso Soriano 2007 4
126 Million Barry Zito 2007 3
184 Million Joe Mauer 2010 2
275 Million Alex Rodriguez 2008 1
100 Million Albert Pujols 2004 1
137 Million Johan Santana 2008 1
160 Million Manny Ramirez 2001 1
189 Million Derek Jeter 2001 1
152 Million Miguel Cabrera 2008 0
100 Million Carlos Lee 2007 0
105 Million Kevin Brown 1999 0
116 Million Ken Griffey Jr. 2000 0
119 Million Carlos Beltran 2005 0
120 Million Matt Holliday 2010 0
120 Million Jason Giambi 2002 0
252 Million Alex Rodriguez 2001 0
125 Million Ryan Howard 2011 0
180 Million Mark Teixeira 2009 0
161 Million CC Sabathia 2009 0
141 Million Todd Helton 2003 0
126 Million Vernon Wells 2008 0


('_') (omar little), Monday, 23 August 2010 17:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

good pic!

oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 August 2010 17:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

lock thread

no gut busting joke can change history (polyphonic), Monday, 23 August 2010 17:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

Not Pujols. More research required.

clemenza, Monday, 23 August 2010 18:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol at image url

2 + 2 is vah-gi-nah (Eric H.), Monday, 23 August 2010 18:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

carlos lee and alfonso soriano were probably the worst players in this list at the time of the signing, both poor defenders who hit for power but didn't get on base much and were coming off of career years. i'll vote soriano for having the bigger contract of the two.

ciderpress, Monday, 23 August 2010 18:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

I guess my criteria would be: 1) the guy was/will be crap compared to the value of the contract, for at least half the duration of the contract, 2) the deal looked stupid at the time.

That leaves just Howard, Lee, Wells, Soriano, and Hampton. It's looking like ARod 2008 will soon join them, considering how fragile he's been the last couple of years. Griffey's contract looks bad in hindsight, but nobody could have predicted that he'd be injured all the time and he was pretty good when he did play (although prob not good enough to justify the contract). Zito I have a soft spot for, and except for one awful year with the Giants, he hasn't been too far off his career averages.

It's really tough to pick anyone other than Hampton ... although Howard could be a darkhorse pick.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 23 August 2010 18:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

Howard is the most wtf one to me, since he had almost TWO FULL SEASONS left on his contract when they extended him. plus he would have hit free agency at the same time as prince fielder, adrian gonzalez, and possibly pujols, so there's no way he would have gotten more on the open market.

it's definitely not the worst one here but it had the worst timing and to me seems like fan appeasement instead of a sound baseball decision

ciderpress, Monday, 23 August 2010 18:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah that was sheer lunacy. he's going to be 31 next season, his power has faded this season for some reason, his walks have declined every single season since he won the MVP, he's got the same slugging % as aubrey huff, and he's not even in the top 20 in MLB in OPS.

('_') (omar little), Monday, 23 August 2010 19:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

I remember thinking the Kevin Brown contract was insane at the time--he was 33--but when I check back now, the Dodgers actually got some value back; Brown was really good for four out of the five seasons he was there. (Kevin Brown good, mind you--13-6, seasons like that.) To properly answer this question, you'd need to track any player who left the team that signed him, see what they got in return, etc. A lot of work. But I did check Hampton, and after they got rid of him, Colorado got a couple of decent seasons out of Charles Johnson, and one huge season out of Preston Wilson. So I'm voting for Zito. Everyone ridiculed the contract immediately, and indeed he's been crummy. Supposedly he had finally bounced back this year, but now he's 8-8, and his E.R.A. is creeping back towards 4.00. He's 32, and he's thrown a lot of innings the past decade.

clemenza, Monday, 23 August 2010 19:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

Being in Toronto, the Wells contract is an albatross that the team can't get out from under. But he's a good guy, and he plays well enough (barely) that he probably helps a perennial .500 team.

clemenza, Monday, 23 August 2010 19:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

the ONE cogent defense of the howard contract is that since he's always been with the phillies, there's more pressure to re-sign him/reward him/show fans you're committed etc etc -- it's one thing to sign barry zito to a hundred million dollar contract, i think it's a slightly less worse thing to do it with someone who has been with your own franchise for his whole career and has won an mvp & a world series

that said, it's still a stupid contract -- they could've waited two years, also they can't ease him out like the red sox have been able to do w/ ortiz because of there's no DH in the nl, and i think that limits his value moving forward as well

J0rdan S., Monday, 23 August 2010 19:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

i'm voting soriano -- he's NOWHERE near worth $136 million, and i can't imagine any scenario in which they can move that contract & he's really not worth much of anything & he's probably holding back tyler colvin -- just an utterly awful contract

J0rdan S., Monday, 23 August 2010 19:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

Aren't you guys being a little rough on Ryan Howard? It may well turn out to be a bad contract, but there are contracts here that have already been provably awful. Maybe the timing wasn't logistically perfect, but rewarding someone with a big contract after going 1-5-2-3 in the last four MVP votes, and coming off two World Series, doesn't seem like that bad a baseball decision to me.

clemenza, Monday, 23 August 2010 19:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

it's always a bad idea to reward a player for past performance rather than examining his career trend. it's not that ryan howard is a bad player and he may not be "bad" for the life of the contract, but he's not worth $25 million per season now or maybe ever. if he's as good the rest of the contract as he has been this season, he's a "good" player and nowhere near great.

('_') (omar little), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

it's pretty amazing that despite how excellent his '06 season was, he was still only 8th in the NL in WAR, behind pujols, cabrera, beltran, andruw jones, atkins(!), jose reyes, and bronson arroyo(!!)

('_') (omar little), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

That makes sense, but hasn't the whole story of free agency been rewarding guys for what they've already done? Maybe I've internalized this to a point where I never gave the Howard contract a second thought. The Zito contract, by contrast, was given to a guy who clearly wasn't the same pitcher who'd won the Cy Young four years earlier. Everyone could see that, except for the numbskulls who signed him.

clemenza, Monday, 23 August 2010 20:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

Movie studios and record companies operate exactly the same way; ask Kevin Costner and Janet Jackson, the Barry Zitos of their professions. Again, I think I just take paying-for-what-they-did-last-year (or movie, or album) for granted.

clemenza, Monday, 23 August 2010 20:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

well that's essentially what defines all bad free agent signings, is the inability of a team's front office to look beyond the player's past accomplishments and base the contract on their projected future performance.

aging curves and the contextual problems with RBIs as a skill evaluator are the most basic of baseball analytics concepts, and the Howard contract suggests that the Phillies either don't fully understand these (possible) or do understand them but think that Their Guy is awesome enough to be above all of that (more likely)

ciderpress, Monday, 23 August 2010 20:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

If you hit lotsa HRs w/out excelling in anything else, you get overpaid

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think there are the smarter GMs who go after younger guys who have been great and on the ascent (or nowhere near a decline, however one might estimate that) and sign them to deals lasting during their peak years and not much further. i think the worse GMs sign those guys who have clearly passed their peak. like it kinda makes zero sense to pay a-rod 27.5 million per season over the life of a contract that will mostly be his late 30s and early 40s, because you can't reasonably expect him to continue at his '07 levels or maybe even his '08 levels. and soriano's deal was even stupider b/c they were basing his deal on his single epic season with the nationals and not a career of consistency.

('_') (omar little), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

so who's the next hundred million man?

werth & his people have indicated that they're gonna push for a matt holiday type deal, but i don't think he's played well enough this year to warrant that... unless the red sox (likely) or the yankees come in for him

i guess then you have prince? i assume boras will be able to get him over the $100 mill threshold

J0rdan S., Monday, 23 August 2010 20:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

ah - he had some decent years before, mostly with the Yanks. it wasn't until '09 that he really went off a cliff.

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oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

Alex Gonzalez for sure.

oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think anyone signing werth beyond three years is insane. i bet the next $100 million man is cliff lee.

('_') (omar little), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

i feel like no one in baseball respects Cliff Lee.

oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

forgot about cliff, he's pretty much a lock

J0rdan S., Monday, 23 August 2010 20:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think cliff is pretty well respected

J0rdan S., Monday, 23 August 2010 20:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah i mean soriano's '02 was epic and his '03 was really good, but his two seasons in texas were really pretty average, and i think his '06 was clearly some kind of final peak performance season, though his first year with the cubs was still above average.

('_') (omar little), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'm going to go back to something Jordan S said earlier:

the ONE cogent defense of the howard contract is that since he's always been with the phillies, there's more pressure to re-sign him/reward him/show fans you're committed

To me, franchise players have to be approached differently than whoever's just travelling through. The Cardinals have Pujols, the Phillies have Howard. When a team lets a franchise player get away--like the Dodgers did with Piazza--I think it's bad for the game. Even when a team seemingly turns out to be 100% right in letting a player walk (the Mariners and Griffey), it still feels wrong. And I say "seemingly" because, had he remained in Seattle, maybe Griffey's career would have played out differently.

Too much sentiment. I'd make a lousy GM.

clemenza, Monday, 23 August 2010 20:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think it would be right to let pujols go if he was on the decline, which he doesn't appear to be, and his consistency will probably continue on for some time. howard still had a couple years left and he was already on the decline, so why jump the gun? by next season he might be a 30 HR/.260/.340/.510 kinda guy, and then you're stuck. he may not be, i mean he could go back to at least the levels of last season, but it's not something you can count on.

('_') (omar little), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

the guy is just traded So MUCH! it's like once a team gets him the find out he has cooties or something and they need to get him out the door asap!
and also his 2008 was completely out of nowhere. there was no indication that he could pitch like that before. i've been waiting for a regression since.

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oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

i don't think that teams should worry about what's best "for the game", but it's extremely tough to play the game of predicting the downfall of your franchise players and not paying them because of that & still remain a respectable franchise to your fans and other players

J0rdan S., Monday, 23 August 2010 20:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

the thing with howard is that they gave him an extension before they needed to & that's the real egregious thing -- they wouldn't have been in that tough of a position if they waited two years

J0rdan S., Monday, 23 August 2010 20:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

i don't know that lee's '08 was totally out of nowhere. he was really good in '05 and solid in '06. '07 was a disaster, admittedly. but since '08 he's been pretty awesome. he's been a little worse with the rangers than he was with the m's, but he's a cool customer, never walks anybody, and seems to be the kind of pitcher who would age really well.

('_') (omar little), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

it's extremely tough to play the game of predicting the downfall of your franchise players and not paying them because of that & still remain a respectable franchise to your fans and other players

^ this. no player wants to hear from a team (esp when they've played with their entire career there) when their contract is up that they aren't going to get offered the super mega bucks the used to make because they've been declining and are getting older and the team expects the very normal trend that happens to everyone to continue. 99% of players would say "screw you" and walk.

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oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

he was good on '05 - but it was still nothing compared to '08.

oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

not only that, but it's also tough to sign guys where their contract ends at a point where they are still "good" but def on the decline -- it really wouldn't even have happened with howard if they hadn't given him the contract two years out

to get big players like this you are almost always going to be overpaying for 3+ years

J0rdan S., Monday, 23 August 2010 20:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

i was expecting him to be another Esteban Loaiza, but he's kept it up pretty well. i guess at 32, if he's going to get himself 100 million, he's going to find a team that thinks he will pitch like this until he's at least 37.

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oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

ya - so i guess it won't be too hard for him to get that contract.

oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

Thermo and I are going to buy the Pirates, restock the team with all our favourite Jays from years past--Moseby in centre, Robbie at second, Cliff Johnson DH'ing--and sign them all to big 10-year contracts. Just because we like them as people.

clemenza, Monday, 23 August 2010 20:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

dude. i hope you're funding this one, i don't even have a job right now!

oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

Key and Henke are key and urgent, btw.

oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'll give you $145 in cash and a pickup truck full of watermelons for the stadium concession contract.

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My totem animal is a hamburger. (WmC), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

btw i still think the dumbest contract ever was one that wasn't finished, cf. larry himes deciding that jose guzman, candy maldonado, randy myers, and dan plesac would be better for the cubs than greg maddux, who was 26 at the time.

('_') (omar little), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

like it kinda makes zero sense to pay a-rod 27.5 million per season over the life of a contract that will mostly be his late 30s and early 40s, because you can't reasonably expect him to continue at his '07 levels or maybe even his '08 levels. and soriano's deal was even stupider b/c they were basing his deal on his single epic season with the nationals and not a career of consistency.

― ('_') (omar little), Monday, August 23, 2010 4:19 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark

look, i'm firmly in your camp that he hits 25 hrs for next two seasons then settles into an 18 hr a year semi-DL endgame. still, it makes a lot of sense when the mere promise of a bonds hr record chase is the only thing out there that could goose the YES network's already high tune in numbers. ratings = dollars, it's not always sensibly sabermetrical.

sanskrit, Monday, 23 August 2010 20:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

I was just going to say that as a GM, I'd be very reluctant to hand out big-money, long-term contracts to pitchers, be it Lee or almost anybody. Obviously you have to to stay competitive, but I'd be very nervous. The Braves had arguably the greatest free-agent signing ever with Maddux. How many other long-term contracts ever worked out so well with a starting pitcher?

clemenza, Monday, 23 August 2010 20:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

Considering the contracts after the fact is kind of unfair. The Griffey deal was pretty reasonable when it happened, but he got injured. He was totally worth it, and injuries happen.

On the other hand, Manny's deal was fucking crazy and yet he totally (and somewhat surprisingly) earned every penny of it.

no gut busting joke can change history (polyphonic), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

Some skepticism about Felix's contract:

http://www.highheatstats.com/2013/02/king-felixs-new-clothes/

(The writer is not claiming it as the worst, by any means, but this seemed like an appropriate thread.)

clemenza, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 16:21 (five years ago) Permalink

I agree that its a little bizarre to give a guy a record-setting deal when he's not even a free agent yet, but you do have to consider that A) Seattle may have to overpay to get superstars and B) these contracts aren't ever built to be great in their last year or two. you overpay in the end because a guy who produces 8 WAR is really worth $45m or so and you can't pay that much in one year. that said Felix seems to cap out at 6 WAR. seems like another slight upside/massive downside signing but I guess Seattle feels they'll really be competitive in a few years?

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 17:14 (five years ago) Permalink

Vernon Wells would get a lot more votes if we did this poll today.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

Neyer wrote last week about the dodgy future of pitchers w/ Felix's workload, age etc.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 17:31 (five years ago) Permalink

the Vernon Wells signing was obviously pretty bad but I'm much more baffled by the Angels trading for him after the awfulness of his contract was long since established

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 15:14 (five years ago) Permalink

Bonus points go to contracts that were indefensible at the time. Wells' was at least somewhat defensible -- he'd been a 4-5 win player on average up until then, still a good defender, and was entering his age-27 season. The market for outfielders was thin, and he was a popular homegrown player. I don't think the disaster signs were obvious compared to the Zito and Hampton signings (or A-Rod's 2007 re-up).

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 16:03 (five years ago) Permalink

Most of the debate was about giving superstar money to a guy who wasn't a true superstar. The Jays had been waiting for Wells to break out for a while and then paid him like the player they expected him to be, not the player he was. There are always guys like that e.g. Jay Bruce where people keep expecting a breakout season but it never comes and eventually you just accept that he is who he is. Even so, the argument was that the Jays were paying 5-6 win money for a 3-4 win player, but even that wouldn't have been so bad.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 16:09 (five years ago) Permalink

i always appreciate being reminded how legendarily awful adam dunn's 2011 season was

mookieproof, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 16:09 (five years ago) Permalink

Has anyone ever had a worse season? I mean usually the "worst case" scenario for these big guys in their 30's is that they wind up around 0-1 WAR like Wells has but I've never seen a dropoff so steep where it got to the point that the guy was actively way worse than replacement level and was outhit by like half the pitchers in the league. And he was in a situation where the Sox had really no choice but to play him. You might never see another season like that again!

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 17:03 (five years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Not anywhere close to $100 million (relative peanuts, though not for you or me), but who knew that Bobby Bonilla was still getting--and will continue to get--million-dollar cheques for the next two decades?

clemenza, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:42 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

the highest paid relievers lolz

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2014/9/17/6264159/highest-paid-relievers-baseball

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:14 (four years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9c1IY7CEAI4C6n.jpg

zing

mookieproof, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 03:23 (three years ago) Permalink

1 war is worth abt 6m now on the market right?

Bringing the mosh (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 03:25 (three years ago) Permalink

after this year, yeah. chart should adjust for WARflation for the older deals.

AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 05:19 (three years ago) Permalink

Ryan Howard for the win!

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 12:54 (three years ago) Permalink

shin-soo choo's deal is looking awfully sketchy

mookieproof, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 16:15 (three years ago) Permalink

You could compare Choo's deal to Jayson Werth's -- high OBP guys with some pop (and collapsing defense) somehow getting paid superstar money in their 30's. Like Werth, I think Choo gets a pass for being hurt last year, when he's healthy he should still be a valuable player.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 17:17 (three years ago) Permalink

the matt cain deal isn't looking so hot either

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 17:43 (three years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Somehow ended up on this article; I didn't realize the Braves were still paying Bruce Sutter for his 40 saves over three seasons (and will be until 2021).

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/01/bobby-bonillas-isnt-the-only-deferred-money-deal-in-the-game-and-isnt-even-the-worst/comment-page-1/

clemenza, Thursday, 13 August 2015 21:50 (three years ago) Permalink

That's insane. A $40M deal in 1985???

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 14 August 2015 09:28 (three years ago) Permalink

Found a timeline of the biggest contracts ever from '79 to 2007. Sutter smay have been behind a few people when he signed with the Braves (Winfield #1):

http://wezen-ball.com/2009-articles/the-history-of-the-highest-paid-player-in-baseball.html

It's the disconnect that amazes me. Sutter's from another universe, and he's apparently still on the payroll.

clemenza, Friday, 14 August 2015 13:43 (three years ago) Permalink

"may"

clemenza, Friday, 14 August 2015 13:43 (three years ago) Permalink

the payroll/salary 1 page team pages on b-r are really cool, like I did not appreciate that max scherzer will make a season salary of $42.1M starting in 2019

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/WSN/2015-payroll-salaries.shtml

johnny crunch, Thursday, 20 August 2015 13:23 (three years ago) Permalink

is there a way to look at all of baseball at once in that salary chart?

AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 20 August 2015 13:41 (three years ago) Permalink

not that I see

the $/yrs that tampa has archer at is criminal

whats the diff if someone is repped by Scott Boras v Boras Corp

johnny crunch, Thursday, 20 August 2015 14:17 (three years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Update (haven't read this yet):

http://baseball-players.pointafter.com/stories/10927/100-million-dollar-contracts-mlb

clemenza, Monday, 21 March 2016 13:49 (two years ago) Permalink

I completely forgot Carlos Lee existed

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 21 March 2016 18:29 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Jacoby Ellsbury is on pace to become one of the worst free-agent signings in New York Yankees history. He still has plenty of time to change the narrative -- his contract, for goodness' sake, doesn't end until after the 2020 season -- but as Yogi supposedly once said, "It gets late early around here."

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/91743/153m-man-jacoby-ellsbury-continues-to-look-bad

Andy K, Friday, 8 April 2016 22:38 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

nats def got some value out of it but the back half of this ELEVEN year ryan Zimmerman contract is looking p rough

2009 24 Washington Nationals $3,325,000
2010 25 Washington Nationals $6,350,000
2011 26 Washington Nationals $9,025,000
2012 27 Washington Nationals $12,000,000
2013 28 Washington Nationals $14,000,000
2014 29 Washington Nationals $14,000,000
2015 30 Washington Nationals $14,000,000

2016 31 Washington Nationals $14,000,000
2017 32 Washington Nationals $14,000,000
2018 33 Washington Nationals $14,000,000
2019 34 Washington Nationals $18,000,000
2020 35 Washington Nationals *$18,000,000 $18M Team Option, $2M Buyout

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 10 May 2016 19:15 (two years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

took a glance @ the balance of that chris davis contract 2day:

2019 33 Baltimore Orioles $23,000,000
2020 34 Baltimore Orioles $23,000,000
2021 35 Baltimore Orioles $23,000,000
2022 36 Baltimore Orioles $23,000,000
Earliest Free Agent: 2023

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 18:49 (five months ago) Permalink

there's been some pretty fantastic disasters in the seven years since we did this poll – I still think Hampton is the worst.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 18:59 (five months ago) Permalink

i don't know, that ryan howard 2012-16 extension (at more than $25 million per year, i think) turned out to be pretty awful.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:09 (five months ago) Permalink

pujols' may turn out to be worse but the disaster is still unfolding

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:10 (five months ago) Permalink

ya, that's the only that gives me pause.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:16 (five months ago) Permalink

Wanted to say Mauer was a contender but he’s actually been a solid player, just not the perennial MVP contender/batting champ they thought he would continue to be.

omar little, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:21 (five months ago) Permalink

the vernon wells deal deserves some love -- as does the fact that the angels traded for it

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:41 (five months ago) Permalink

Angels are the “best” at this in some way. Never forget Josh Hamilton.

omar little, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:56 (five months ago) Permalink

Chris Davis is on par for a -4.0 WAR season, lmao

not really sure how to answer this since there are a lot of different factors at play but I do think the Ryan Howard one gets special consideration because that one was so obviously doomed from the start, even a best-case projection of how Howard would age wouldn't even come close to $125m in value

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 20:30 (five months ago) Permalink

might as well start using chris davis as a relief pitcher at this point. he wasn't bad the... one? two times he pitched?

challops trap house (Will M.), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 20:34 (five months ago) Permalink

the howard deal is extra special because iirc it didn't even kick in for a couple seasons -- completely unnecessary

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 20:43 (five months ago) Permalink

plus there was virtually no competition for him. was anyone really gonna offer a 32-year old slugger anything close to that?

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 20:59 (five months ago) Permalink

If Chris Davis gets to -4.0 WAR then he might be the winner. That's nearly as much (negative) value as all five years of Ryan Howard's extension!

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 13 July 2018 07:17 (five months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

eric hosmer's eight-year/$144m deal is not off to a good start

93 wRC+, 0.3 bWAR, -0.6 fWAR at age 28 in the *first* year of the deal

mookieproof, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:32 (four months ago) Permalink

Just think, the Padres can build up their team around the hosmer core for the next 7 years, they’re gonna be great

Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:13 (four months ago) Permalink

what we've learned from all this is . . . never sign first basemen. don't even sign ian desmond and inexplicably move him to first. put a reliever there if you want, or better yet just field eight players

mookieproof, Thursday, 2 August 2018 23:40 (four months ago) Permalink

Scott Hatteberg

timellison, Friday, 3 August 2018 00:20 (four months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

wasnt sure where to put this but whoa damn kenta maeda is on a team friendly deal

2016 28 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,125,000
2017 29 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,125,000
2018 30 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,125,000
2019 31 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,125,000
2020 32 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,125,000
2021 33 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,125,000
2022 34 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,125,000
2023 35 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,125,000
Earliest Free Agent: 2024

johnny crunch, Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:32 (one month ago) Permalink

hm ok i guess some incentives too, had physical "irregularities"

https://www.truebluela.com/2016/1/7/10733574/kenta-maeda-contract-details-dodgers-risk-bonuses

johnny crunch, Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:36 (one month ago) Permalink

I guess Toronto inherited Tulowitzki's contract, but his arrival here coincided with him hitting the $20M mark.

2007	22	Colorado Rockies	$381,000	?		
2008 23 Colorado Rockies $750,000 ?
2009 24 Colorado Rockies $1,000,000 ?
2010 25 Colorado Rockies $3,500,000 3.033
2011 26 Colorado Rockies $5,500,000 4.033
2012 27 Colorado Rockies $8,250,000 5.033 contracts
2013 28 Colorado Rockies $10,000,000 6.033 contracts
2014 29 Colorado Rockies $16,000,000 7.033 contracts
2015 30 Toronto Blue Jays $20,000,000 8.033 contracts
2016 31 Toronto Blue Jays $20,000,000 9.033
2017 32 Toronto Blue Jays $20,000,000 10.033 contracts
2018 33 Toronto Blue Jays $20,000,000 11.033
2019 34 Toronto Blue Jays $20,000,000
2020 35 Toronto Blue Jays $14,000,000
2021 36 Toronto Blue Jays *$15,000,000 $15M Team Option, $4M Buyout

I don't know how long it was before we started paying the whole amount. Anyway, the Jays are on the hook until 2021. For that, we got...a symbolic jolt out of the deal in 2015 (day after or day before getting Price, I think), great defense that first year, a few key hits, and not much else ever since.

clemenza, Thursday, 1 November 2018 23:50 (one month ago) Permalink


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