Bryce Harper, catcher and Scott Boras advisee

CSN 25
CENTRAL ARIZONA 11

Bryce Harper went 6-for-6 with four home runs and 10 RBIs for the Coyotes in the championship game.

"I came into this game saying, 'I need to pick it up for my team,' … and maybe hit a few bombs."

The 6-foot-3-inch slugger hit for the cycle Friday, and he needed just a single in his final at-bat to do it again. Instead, he ripped a two-run homer to center.

"Some people said, 'He needs a single for cycle.' I said, 'I don't care. I want him to hit another home run,' " CSN coach Tim Chambers said. "Bryce had a great day."

Yeah this dude is pretty amazing. . .

I think he went 4-4 the other day with 4 HR.

he's probably gonna get moved off of catcher sadly since he'll be on a NL team and can't do the C/DH thing that mauer does to hit every day, and if he's really this good you don't want him on the bench 20 games a season

for all the hype - he better catch *and* pitch.

^ lol

A high schooler that can hit rockets over +500 ft is pretty amazing.

Holy shit, didn't realize that Washington gets to pick him with the first pick.

Strasburg throwing to Harper will be neat.

Just got thrown out of a game. Second ejection this year so he's out of the JUCO World Series and that's probably the end of his JUCO career and the last baseball he'll play till next March/April. Baseball is pretty weird.

The opposing catcher pumped his fist at the ejection!

Good stuff.

Alex I bet the Nationals will have him playing in a fall league.

General consensus among scouts, etc, seems to be that they won't be doing that since he'd be on average 4+ years younger than the competition.

the Nats should trade for A.J. Pierzynski to mentor him.

So who is a bigger dick? Harper or Boras?

http://mopupduty.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/bryce-harper.jpg

Is this the draft thread? I just posted on ILHoops like an asshole =\

Boras doesn't seem particularly dicky to me. I mean compared to like every sports franchise owner maybe ever, he seems a-ok. Harper on the other hand seems like 17 y/o dude who thinks the sun shines out of his ass.

Who in this bitch looks like a juggalo

tbf that picture kinda makes it looks like the sun is shining from his ass.

What is up with the eye black? I saw it on Harper the other week and thought it was just some like smear issue, and then I saw a couple of women at the College Softball World Series doing it too.

I think it's some pseudo-corpsepaint thing.

war paint.

he is wari0r.

also: he's an outfielder now.

and a Nat.

http://images2.makefive.com/images/200837/945c18c653bca3f6.jpg

"also: he's an outfielder now"

This seems like a smart move. With that kind of power would you really want to lose him for a fifth of your games plus deal with all the nagging injury nonsense that Catchers are prone to?

Taillon evidently still using the glove he got as a t-baller.

Blue Jays have four of the first 41 picks

:D

Is Drew Pomeranz trick-or-treating as Jay Cutler

looks like a crusted over red wine stain (dont pick the scabs bryce)

http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/daily-pitch/2010/06/07/draftno1harperx-inset-community.jpg

Pomeranz has Blagojevich hair.

And Harper looks like he belongs in Dethklok.

Ed Wade you are so fucking stupid

why did they do that?! everyone is saying how dumb a move it was.

they 'really wanted him' and ed wade is fucking stupid.

my team has pick #28 so anything the teams before can do to fuck up and let good players fall Im all about..

astros planning on being irrelevant for 10 years not 5 i guess

ok. but why would they "really want him"??

my brother & i are sitting here waiting for chris sale to get drafted -- he hosted my brother on a recruiting trip & he said he's a cool dude

yeah sale is falling hard, keith law seems to think he projects as a reliever not a starter and maybe some teams have bought into that too

the J's message board just went apeshit over the J's passing Sale over.

or maybe he's just asking for huge $

yeah -- i've never seen him pitch

drew pomeranz is giving me visions of andrew miller

thanks for talking about every pick in depth except for the J's, MLB. who cares about the reds. seriously!

DECK MCGUIRE

2K Sports renamed some of these people

there he goes

he's skinny!

they keep mentioning that. like dude can't be fed a few extra sandwiches or something.

ESPN CRAWL JUST SUGGESTED THE ASTROS DRAFT DELINO DESHIELDS JR.

SORRY OTHERS HAVE COMMENTED ON THIS ALREADY BUT THAT IS INSANE I AM OLD AND GOING TO DIE SOMEDAY :C

being an astros fan is shitty. drayton is like a cheap al davis.

Also, Maris' 1961 is just insane.

i've never really thought about it, but i guess that kind of high production / low babip is the trademark of a slugger that's hitting tons of towering fly balls, right? either they land over the fence for a HR, boosting their production but not increasing the babip since they don't count as "in play", or it's likely just a loud out. so it makes sense to see the other guys on that list.

harper's a different story, though. as you mentioned his career babip is .316, and his FB/GB/LD percentages are all around the same place as last year. he's pulling the ball a lot more? weird baseball luck?

OT, sorry, but is there a BABIP-like stat that includes HRs as well?

Yeah the list makes sense, these are the extremes of that trademark and it's fun to identify them but really what I wonder if Harper could become that type as he ages. Basically, he went from .369 to .264 back to .356. to the horror show he is in now. None of these players ever see-sawed the way Harper did, it might that no played ever did.

I think also walks/pitch selection might account in those numbers. For example, Kiner managed to be 16th in OBP that 1948 season, Bautista was 22nd and 11th respectively. Harper right now is at 18th.

Of course, Hank Aaron doesn't really belong to that group and in his case it's more about aging but having a great season than career long method of batting. 1972 he was 38, and over his final 5 seasons he was hovering around a babip of .240.

https://i.imgur.com/mcjYk30.png

We polled hundreds of players across MLB on a variety of subjects. Nearly half of them, granted anonymity, said Bryce Harper is the most overrated player in the game. https://t.co/DGgZt6h3EE

— Lindsey Adler (@lindseyadler) July 16, 2018

i wonder how many future teammates said so

6. Who is the most overrated player in the game?

Top result: Bryce Harper (48.6%)

Runners-up: Chris Davis (10.8%)

Also receiving multiple votes: Javier Báez

Notes: Even anonymously, just over half of the players we polled declined to answer this one — “It’s bad karma,” one said — but among those who did, this was a landslide. As one player told us, it’s not that Harper isn’t talented: “It’s more like guys are kind of tired of him being put up on this pedestal when from a consistency standpoint, he hasn’t sustained it.”

On Báez, one player said, “To a baseball player, a lot of the shit he does is really risky and stupid. When you play against him, you fucking hate watching him. But as a fan, I would want to watch him every single day. I get it.”

I can't think of anybody else you'd choose. When he's great, he's amazing. He spends a lot of time not being great. Eliminate 2015, and he's more like a underrated player whose walks and HRs add value to an otherwise average batting line.

yeah just those piddling walks and HRs

Excellent translation; that's exactly what I meant.

the point is those categories make up most of a valuable batting line.

(sure Harper's BA is bad this year, but if it was even .250 he'd be one of the 10 most valuable players in the NL)

And if he were hitting .250 and were the 10th most valuable player in the NL, that would probably make him the most overrated player in baseball in the context of how many people treat him as one of the two best (which I've done myself at times).

But he's hitting .214, so that's all speculation.

bref has him at 0.0 WAR this year; fangraphs at 1.5

they both hate his defense

didn't factor in the Will to Win

Harper's had the one HOF season and the other HOF 2/3 season. as far as the rest of the time, there's no shame in being near-peak Mickey Tettleton.

Which was exactly my point: "more like a underrated player whose walks and HRs add value to an otherwise average batting line"--i.e., Mickey Tettleton, an underrated player who hit .241 but drew a lot of walks and hit a fair number of HR (especially era-adjusted).

yeah I would not be thrilled to give him a 400M contract or whatever, but someone will

So are the Nats out on signing Harper or are they the leading contender?

no idea but i always assumed harper would want to play for bigger crowds in a bigger media market

But he's hitting .214, so that's all speculation.

― clemenza, Monday, July 16, 2018 3:46 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's what, 5 hits tho?

Not stanning really but *shrug*

12 hits right now--in 550 AB, it'd be 20. But if you want to approach the question from that angle, that a few hits don't matter much, then surely those few hits aren't going to move him from a 0.0 WAR to one of the 10 most valuable players in the NL.

I'm not sure if you're saying that he is or isn't overrated.

there are only so many teams that have or would spend the kind of money he wants. the yankees seem to have a pretty full outfield? they could put him at first, but greg bird is *also* hitting .214 this year, and at 1/40th of the cost. the red sox signed jd martinez last winter and have mookie eligible for arbitration this winter. (mookie, btw, is nine days older than harper and is 4.5 bWAR up on him in two fewer seasons.)

the cubs and giants already have $140m on the books for 2019, which doesn't count raises for people like baez and bryant. the dodgers could afford him, but seem relatively unlikely to offer a historic contract for a guy as inconsistent as harper has been.

maybe the phillies? except i'd expect the phillies to be more interested in machado, as should, perhaps, most teams

The outside club I was thinking is maybe the Rangers. They have dropped some cash on some hitters over the years.

I'm not sure if you're saying that he is or isn't overrated.

― clemenza, Monday, July 16, 2018 7:08 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wasn’t really saying either. I think his BABIP is really weird this year. I find him fascinating tho also lol this HR derby he’s such a choad

He's 25. Most guys are enter their prime now. Maybe he's a year late.

If I had to bet on 2015 or this year being the more anomalous, I'd definitely bet on this year. The list of position players besides Harper who've put up 10-WAR seasons since the war: Yastrzemski, Bonds, Ripken, Mantle, Mays, Musial, Morgan, Williams, Yount, Boudreau, Banks, Trout, A-Rod, Sosa, Rosen, Petrocelli. That's a pretty formidable list. I think at worst he'll have a better career than the last two guys, and they were good. My guess would be that he exceeds his current career slash line (.277/.384/.510) for the next several seasons. But again, I don't know who else you'd name as the most overrated player right now (or even based cumulatively on the last three seasons).

But again, I don't know who else you'd name as the most overrated player right now (or even based cumulatively on the last three seasons).

The DH for the Angels has made $24M/yr over the past 3 years while putting up a cumulative -1.1 WAR, and has batted exclusively in the 3rd/4th/5th spot in the lineup.

Pujols crossed my mind, but is there anyone who still rates him highly (except, I guess, the manager who continues to bat him 3rd/4th/5th)? I don't see overpaid and overrated as the same thing.

He was overrated by the Angels GM during the 2011 offseason

For a while I think Strasburg was a bit overrated, back when he still had some of that residual legendary buzz from his pre-injury days but was merely very good instead of elite.

But now I think he might actually be a bit underrated!

Probably a few such pieces out there at the moment:

http://www.billjamesonline.com/should_the_nationals_trade_bryce_harper/

Be forewarned: intangibles are discussed.

oh *bill*

Not BJ, Dave Fleming.

Homered in the first game today, .293/.419/.573 over the last 30 days. Doesn't suck.

that -3.3 dWAR on bWAR for 2018 is something else. wonder how legit that rating is; i wouldn't be surprised if he's not particularly good out there but that number is shockingly bad.

I know eye test doesn’t mean much but what I saw from him, this season, was just very bad.

mlbtraderumors predicts 14 years, $420M for harper

(13 years, $390M for Machado, for the same $30M AAV)

Will also be on the cover of the show 19

insane

what was wrong with his defense? Ben Lindbergh:

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2018/11/20/18104199/bryce-harper-free-agency-defense

some of those misplays are brutal

move him back to C! make the thread title relevant again!

getting easier to hate

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/03/26/bryce-harper-is-pandering-hard-to-philly-fans/

If he ever has a bad season they’re going to boo the fuck out of him

they booed Mike Schmidt in good seasons!

i'm sure that's true, but i think the fact that he *chose* them will go a long way

Bryce got a tad upset with the strike calls tonight

you can buy Bryce's pomade

https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/7FD8ED49-CB2F-4406-A326-54374A7DE0F8/