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Well, the suspended game stuff is long overdue... I can't wait for Carl Everett's first strike for standing outta the box.


Several rule changes in effect for 2007

02/16/2007
By Tom Singer / MLB.com

Taking a red pencil to the game's rules for the first time in more than a decade, MLB's Playing Rules Committee has enacted several changes for the 2007 season.

Relax: It's still the game you know and love. Committeemen haven't messed with the game's guts. In fact, although some of the changes are substantial, the most significant aspect of Friday's announcement is that it introduced the first alterations to the Official Baseball Rules since 1996.

Potentially most consequential is the manner in which games that end in a tie, due to weather or other uncontrollable elements, will be resolved. While previously such games were considered official and replayed in their entirety from the beginning, hence they will be "suspended" and resumed at the point of stoppage.

Addressing issues relating to the pacing of games, fair play -- and even the fairer sex -- other rule changes highlight:

• Time between pitches: The allotment for delivering the ball with no one on base has been reduced, from 20 seconds to 12. The price for each violation is a ball.

• Batter's box presence: Conversely, an automatic strike will be assessed each time a batter violates the rule requiring they keep one foot in the batter's box throughout his at-bat, except for certain game-play conditions -- during which he is still not allowed to leave the dirt area surrounding the plate.

• Ball scuffing: Rule 3.02 now calls for an automatic 10-game suspension for any player who intentionally defaces the ball. (Previously, a first offense led to the pitch being called a ball, a warning to the pitcher and an announcement of violation.)

• No reason for rosin: The same Rule 3.02 now specifically prohibits placing "soil, rosin, paraffin, licorice, sandpaper, emery paper or other foreign substance" on the ball. The rule's penalty phase dictates, "The umpire shall demand the ball and remove the offender from the game. In addition, the offender shall be suspended automatically for 10 games."

• Gender objectivity: The rulebook now includes the disclaimer that references "to 'he,' 'him' or 'his' shall be deemed to be a reference to 'she,' 'her' or 'hers'" where applicable.

In addition, in a significant sidebar, the guidelines by which official scorers perform their duties have been dramatically clarified and specified, at the behest of Phyllis Merhige, MLB vice president of club relations.

The pace-of-game regulations had been in effect on a trial basis during the 2005-06 seasons in the Minor Leagues, where they gained acceptance.

The revisions reflect the collective input of people in the game during the Playing Rules Committee's long layoff from actively voting on possible changes.

These are the first amendments to the rules since interpretation of the strike zone was changed in 1996.

"It's been a number of years since they've taken stock, so they rolled up their sleeves and attacked a number of issues on which they'd been taking notes," said Ed Burns, vice president of MLB's Baseball Operations Administration.

"New members joined the committee in the interim," Burns added, "and the first thing they did in 2005 was institute the experimental pace-of-game rules for the Minor Leagues, with a degree of success."

The treatment of tie games could be quite consequential. Not because tie games have been so prevalent in the past; occasionally, players have logged 163-game seasons due to an official tie, and there have been three ties in pre-1930 World Series games halted by darkness.

But the revised rule will perhaps permit umpires to react more decisively to adverse conditions, knowing that halting a tie game will not force managers to invent pitching for an unexpected extra game.

"The general managers questioned whether it was good policy to replay games," Burns said, "and asked, 'Why not just pick up where they stopped?' This will keep managers from having to use their entire bullpen to cover for an additional game."

Tie games will resume prior to the next scheduled game between the teams, in the visitors' park if no more games are scheduled at the same site. If no more games are scheduled between the teams, the tie would stand unless an outcome would decide a playoff spot -- in which case the game would be replayed in its entirety.

At the very least, the revisions and clarifying examples included in the rule book will enable umpires at all levels to conduct games according to a uniform set of rules.

Said Sandy Alderson, the chief executive officer of the Padres, who doubles as chairman of the Rules Committee: "A number of issues about the playing rules, some more technical in nature than others, had accumulated among umpires, clubs, players and Major League Baseball for some time. The Playing Rules Committee hopes that these amendments will serve to clarify these issues and, by doing so, benefit all who play and umpire the game at all levels."

The changes to Rule 10, governing official scoring, may have the most direct bearing on fans' perception of the coming season by affecting the game's lifeblood: statistics.

For instance, the guidewords for deciding whether to credit a batter with a sacrifice bunt have changed from him being possibly retired on a "perfect play" to "ordinary effort" by the defense.

And fans weary of hearing "defensive indifference" on stolen-base attempts will be heartened to learn that the scorer must now base that call on all game circumstances, not merely on whether someone covered the base or the catcher got off a throw.

Merhige, who oversees all official scorers at big-league parks, had noted several areas that needed to be improved and standardized. The work of the committee she assembled "came up with a substantial rewrite of Rule 10," Burns said.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:25 (fourteen years ago) link

I always liked the rule in which pitchers have to deliver the ball within 20 seconds with no runners on, but it's never been enforced. I can't see a 12-second rule being realistically workable ... why not leave the rule unchanged and simply enforce it?

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 25 February 2007 14:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Maybe with the 12 second limit, they'll actually keep the pitchers under 20?

David R., Monday, 26 February 2007 02:25 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

anyone thrilled with Bud's "improve the on-field issues" committee? O BOY, GEORGE WILL

Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 December 2009 21:39 (eleven years ago) link

i wish they had invited some of the brighter young managers in the game. george will can burn, obv. i don't think any players should be in there because baseball players are really dumb.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 00:31 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

so the idea is that would speed up the game?

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 11 May 2012 18:11 (nine years ago) link

does it even happen once every 5 games?

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 May 2012 18:20 (nine years ago) link

maybe that?! of all the things dumb about baseball i never thought the fake to 3rd was one of them.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 11 May 2012 18:22 (nine years ago) link

Granderson fell for the banana in the tailpipe?

RHPs will step off the rubber and do the same damn thing. It will probably happen with roughly the same frequency.

Grusin' Gang (Andy K), Friday, 11 May 2012 18:45 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Neyer predicts that, SOMEDAY, MLB will have to reduce strikeouts and pitching changes to shorten games.

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/5/29/3048980/ernesto-frieri-angels-strikeouts

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:50 (nine years ago) link

Neyer's been on that soapbox for a while. Anyway, the game goes in cycles so I wouldn't assume that strikeouts are some runaway phenomenon that's going to necessitate a significant rule change.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 20:36 (nine years ago) link

seven months pass...

The fake-to-third/throw-to-first will now be ruled a balk:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20130126/pickoff-rule-change.ap/

The hidden-ball-trick's days are surely numbered.

clemenza, Saturday, 26 January 2013 15:35 (eight years ago) link

ha, i used to do this all the time when i played

k3vin k., Saturday, 26 January 2013 15:53 (eight years ago) link

will cut 30 seconds off the average game

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 January 2013 21:43 (eight years ago) link

I wonder if the LV sports books are offering an o/u on the number of balks that will come of this in 2013.

If it were up to you we'd all be eating tea and strumpets. (WilliamC), Monday, 28 January 2013 21:59 (eight years ago) link

ten months pass...
one month passes...
four weeks pass...

"Just reading through it, the main thing it does is eliminate the malicious collision," Posey told ESPN's "Baseball Tonight" on Tuesday morning. "If the catcher is not set up right on top of the plate, it doesn't allow the runner to run through him."

Posey said the tweak to the rule would not alter the way he prepares for the season as a catcher or as a baserunner.

"For the most part, I think it'll stay pretty much the same," Posey said. "We've never been taught to set up right on top of the plate; we've always been taught to give the runner a little bit of the plate.

"[As a baserunner], my mindset, when I'm coming around third, is to slide hard and late."

Texas Rangers catcher J.P. Arencibia said the new rule "takes away the malicious intent behind the play at the plate."

"It stops guys just going out of their way just to try to dislodge the baseball when [catchers] have the plate," Rangers manager Ron Washington said.

Hall of Famer George Brett, the Kansas City Royals' vice president of baseball operations, said he doesn't like the rule even though he understands that the objective is to reduce injuries.

"I'm not a big fan of it," Brett told ESPN.com. "Catchers are taught to put their foot right in front of home plate, and the plays are bang-bang. I like the collision.

"I don't sit around at home at night and think about it. This is the first time I've thought about it since two months ago when somebody told me, 'They can't run into catchers anymore.' I said, 'That sucks. I love that play.'"

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10512206/mlb-bans-home-collisions-1-exception

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 16:02 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...
two weeks pass...

I'm sure you've heard, they've fixed this idiotic transfer thing

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/mlb-makes-1st-major-adjustment-of-replay-era-tweaks-transfer-rule-042514

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 April 2014 16:59 (seven years ago) link

four months pass...

Rules quiz:

http://www.sbnation.com/2014/8/27/6075321/obscure-mlb-rules-quiz

I got 7/10.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 29 August 2014 07:02 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

In the Arizona Fall League this year:

http://deadspin.com/baseball-will-test-out-six-new-rules-to-speed-up-the-ga-1641283166

Hitters must keep at least one foot inside the batter's box at all times, barring exceptions like foul balls, wild pitches, or if the umpire grants him time out.

Pitchers must throw a pitch within 20 seconds of receiving the ball. Clocks posted in each dugout will count down the 20 seconds.

There will be a maximum break between innings of 2:05, with a clock keeping track. Hitters must be in the batter's box by 1:45. If the hitter's not ready, the umpire can call a strike. If the pitcher doesn't throw a pitch by 2:05, the umpire can call a ball.

Teams will have a maximum of 2:30 to change pitchers, with the clock starting as soon as the reliever enters the playing field.

Teams are limited to a maximum of three mound visits per game, not including pitching changes. This applies to trips to the mound by managers, coaches, and catchers.

Pitchers no longer have to deliver four balls for an intentional walk. The manager can simply signal to the umpire.

it's taco science, but it works like taco magic (WilliamC), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:33 (six years ago) link

four months pass...
one year passes...

MLB, MLBPA ADOPT SLIDE RULE ON DOUBLE PLAYS, PACE OF GAME CHANGES
Interference Rule Governing Double Play Slides Clarified;
Mound Visits, Break Times Adjusted in Pace of Game Program

mookieproof, Thursday, 25 February 2016 17:09 (five years ago) link

“People watch the UFC. But they get mad when a guy breaks his ankle at second base because of a hard slide. I don't get it." -- Ian Kinsler, future Fox analyst

Andy K, Saturday, 27 February 2016 17:00 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce_iquoVAAELtrm.jpg:large

mookieproof, Saturday, 2 April 2016 00:13 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

In the 9th last night vs the Mets, Jayson Werth was called out for interference making a late slide on a DP breakup attempt. I'm getting a little sick of Keith Hernandez and Ron Darling grousing about the new unmacho world (Keith sneered about "the geniuses" who effected the rule). Nats GM Rizzo also got into a shouting match with the umps after the game. Tough shit, dinosaurs.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/watch-ninth-inning-slide-rule-call-plays-a-big-part-in-mets-win-over-nats/

https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/nats-gm-ump-argue-over-call-on-werth-slide/188622326

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 July 2016 16:57 (five years ago) link

seven months pass...

oh go fuck yourselves

"Major League Baseball plans on testing a rule change in the lowest levels of the minor leagues this season that automatically would place a runner on second base at the start of extra innings, a distinct break from the game’s orthodoxy that nonetheless has wide-ranging support at the highest levels of the league, sources familiar with the plan told Yahoo Sports."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mlb-plans-to-test-new-extra-innings-rules-in-rookie-ball-with-joe-torres-approval-224914115.html

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 February 2017 12:24 (four years ago) link

What in the blue hell is that all about.

Honestly, I would prefer ties in baseball to a dumb rule change like that.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 9 February 2017 13:55 (four years ago) link

“It’s not fun to watch when you go through your whole pitching staff and wind up bringing a utility infielder in to pitch.

gotta disagree with you there, Joe.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:22 (four years ago) link

i will give you each $1000 if this ever becomes a major league rule

mookieproof, Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:25 (four years ago) link

twist: the free runner on second base is bartolo colon

Karl Malone, Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:28 (four years ago) link

Anthony Castrovince @castrovince
This idea has uncovered quite a number of rookie ball purists.

mookieproof, Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:43 (four years ago) link

first they came for rookie league, and i said nothing

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:45 (four years ago) link

gonna need one for this, because c'mon

https://twitter.com/AJCassavell/status/831916548369510400

mookieproof, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 18:42 (four years ago) link

that's even worse than jordan walden

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 18:53 (four years ago) link

no one ever calls traveling anymore

na (NA), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 18:58 (four years ago) link

that is a fucking weird delivery.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 19:12 (four years ago) link

Cater Crapps

Andy K, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 19:42 (four years ago) link

@JeffPassan
Rob Manfred: There will not be substantive rules changes in 2017 due to "lack of cooperation from the MLBPA."

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:13 (four years ago) link

@EricFisherSBJ
And Manfred then reveals a new chestnut in new labor deal: a unilateral ability by the league to impose rules changes as soon as next yr

@JeffPassan
Among the rules changes MLB could impose, per Manfred: a pitch clock, a smaller strike zone, fewer visits to the mound, auto-intentional BB.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:14 (four years ago) link

yay lack of cooperation

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:35 (four years ago) link

As part of its initiative to improve pace-of-game play, Major League Baseball has approved a change to the intentional walk rule, going from the traditional four-pitch walk to a dugout signal, team and union sources told ESPN's Howard Bryant.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18737245/mlb-union-agree-get-rid-traditional-intentional-walkwill-use-signal-dugout

Andy K, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 02:01 (four years ago) link

this will save nearly 12 seconds per game

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 02:40 (four years ago) link

i'm so pissed that the miggy cabrera intentional walk single will never happen again

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:04 (four years ago) link

ugh

na (NA), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:13 (four years ago) link

what about the Johnny Bench WORLD SERIES fake-IBB strikeout?

(1972)

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:15 (four years ago) link

i was not alive but that sounds tremendous

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:18 (four years ago) link

seems fine to me, too. those were the rules in my day (back when i manned the keystone for the san diego padres in the late 70s with my friend and doubleplay partner ozzie smith), and for a very long time i wasn't aware that the rules were any different for pros

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Friday, 28 February 2020 16:27 (one year ago) link

btw (almost all of) the high-a florida state league will have robo ball/strike calls this year. mlb's current agreement with the umpires, which covers the next five years, allows for its implementation in the majors, so i think we can anticipate that happening before the deal ends, at the latest

more controversially, i think mlb will indeed soon adopt the guy-on-second extra-inning rule; i hope george will's estate is in order

mookieproof, Friday, 28 February 2020 21:19 (one year ago) link

that last wd be abominable

a stopped Will is right once a lifetime

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 February 2020 22:47 (one year ago) link

a stopped Will is right once a lifetime

still waiting for mine

Campaign to move el0n mu5k thread to ILM (Will M.), Friday, 28 February 2020 22:55 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

MLB announces experimental playing rules to be tested during 2021 minor league regular season. pic.twitter.com/oRriW7TItH

— emilycwaldon (@EmilyCWaldon) March 11, 2021

mookieproof, Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:50 (six months ago) link

big bases and automatic balls and strikes - yes

the rest - trash

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:56 (six months ago) link

it'll be really interesting to see the effect of the larger bases on stolen bases and infield singles, etc. seems like a full AAA season's worth of that would be a large enough sample to predict the effect on MLB as well

Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:41 (six months ago) link

i think they need to do various things to the rules to slow the direction of the game into exclusively being about strikeouts, walks and homers. as entertainment i don't think baseball is headed in the right direction. things like pitcher velocity and organizational philosophies about the most valuable styles of play are harder to change but i'm in favor of them curbing shifts to open the field back up and these little minute changes to try and encourage some more running

J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 March 2021 23:55 (six months ago) link

I think the instant replay is a big culprit for killing the sb, since we can now see everytime someone pops off the base by a mm for half a second.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 12 March 2021 00:09 (six months ago) link

don't understand the obsession with stolen bases. i do wish there were more again, but idk why they're the first thing brought up when people talk about the strikeout/juiced ball era - i miss "defense" in general much more than i miss SBs

the big positive in this imo is "and determine the optimal strike zone for the system." i know there was a lot of talk about ABS calling a massive strike zone so it's good if they're willing to tinker with it

, Friday, 12 March 2021 04:44 (six months ago) link

if they want to avoid 1B collisions though just do the double base thing from softball

, Friday, 12 March 2021 04:46 (six months ago) link

Also the drinking between innings from softball. Will help you go limp in case of a collision.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 12 March 2021 05:04 (six months ago) link

we can reinstitute beer kegs at third base to encourage balls in play

keeping infielders in place seems fine to me

I'm resistant to the idea of pickoff limitations, timers (antithetical to baseball), and any pace-of-play stuff. It's baseball! Proceed at your own pace!

francisF, Friday, 12 March 2021 18:05 (six months ago) link

agreed

i kinda thought the shift would lead to more varied, less pull-happy swings, but it never really happened

a surefire way to increase action on the basepaths is of course to deaden the ball to some unspecified degree but hahahahahaha

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 March 2021 18:35 (six months ago) link

i think over time ... like 5-10 years ... players would adjust how they hit for the shift, forcing a counter by defenses and thus rebalancing things a bit. but i'm down with MLB being like, it's better for balls to fall in the field of play for hits and we're not going to wait on natural regression to fix this

J0rdan S., Friday, 12 March 2021 18:46 (six months ago) link

but it would be better for the game to have hits land in all parts of the field and not just crushed for power (or be swung on and missed - which is the other thing that happens when you “cheat” on a pitch to try and wrap your bat around it) - the broadcast booth always waxes on interminably about contact hitting and inside-out swings and “going with” the pitch but i think they’re not wrong and it’s weird that wouldn’t translate into actual support in the rules for that style of play

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 March 2021 18:51 (six months ago) link

tracer they're deadening the ball this year!

eh??!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 March 2021 19:47 (six months ago) link

i think over time ... like 5-10 years ... players would adjust how they hit for the shift, forcing a counter by defenses and thus rebalancing things a bit.

teams have been shifting for a decade now and i think what we're seeing *is* the adjustment. if they need a man on base, people like freddie freeman or j.d. martinez will drop a bunt down to third every once in a while, but they and their teams have concluded that when every pitcher has a 98mph fastball, it's too hard to string together three singles to score a run. better to try to hit the ball in the air and hope it goes out.

(also the way players are rewarded incentivizes dingers as opposed to inside-out swings.)

maybe a deadened ball will lead to more warning-track outs and a change in philosophy. but i think the issue is less the shift than the fact that pitchers are throwing so much harder than they were even 10-15 years ago, and even lowering the mound won't help with that. when tony gwynn was asked whether he preferred to face fastballs or off-speed stuff, he chose the latter, because it gave him more time to see the pitch.

we might soon be reaching the limits of how hard people can physically throw baseballs, but i think ultimately they're gonna have to move the rubber back, and i'm not sure anyone has the appetite for that

mookieproof, Friday, 12 March 2021 22:46 (six months ago) link

this feels like the key

stringing together multiple hits in an inning is so difficult

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 March 2021 23:36 (six months ago) link

there's still no telling how much the ball is actually being "deadened", and meredith wills (who's been researching this for years now) suggested the changes might actually make the balls livelier

i don't have a BP subscription but this article apparently suggests the same thing

, Saturday, 13 March 2021 00:03 (six months ago) link

Since we are brainstorming here, and I do like the idea of moving back the rubber, what about reducing the size of the strike zone?

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 13 March 2021 01:17 (six months ago) link

that shouldn't even be controversial, it's been getting bigger and bigger over the past decade

, Saturday, 13 March 2021 01:45 (six months ago) link

i guess they're paving the way with the (slightly) larger bases, but moving the rubber back would be an incredible clusterfuck. rip george will yet again

no doubt manfred sees it as an opportunity to split the union; he's probably right

mookieproof, Saturday, 13 March 2021 03:37 (six months ago) link

four weeks pass...

The Atlantic League, a minor league hotbed for innovation in baseball, will announce plans Wednesday to move the pitcher’s mound back 12 inches from home plate this season, according to two people with knowledge of the arrangement. The move represents one of the most stark rule changes proposed by baseball leadership in a generation and comes amid sweeping changes on the minor league level designed to reduce home runs and strikeouts and increase the action from batter to batter.

The eight-team Atlantic League, which has franchises along the East Coast, will enact the change during the second half of its 120-game regular season, one person familiar with the matter said. It will be the first change of mound regulations in professional baseball since 1969, when MLB lowered the mound after a season in which seven starting pitchers posted sub-2.00 ERAs.

Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 17:05 (five months ago) link

Not sure how this would reduce home runs

, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 18:31 (five months ago) link

I wonder what the average game time is when total runs are >20.

In my house are many Manchins. (WmC), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 18:35 (five months ago) link

Feels like this should be an injury risk for pitchers somehow? 20 years of muscle memory (and actual muscle) being disrupted almost overnight?

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 21:01 (five months ago) link

i said it in the general thread, but i’m a big fan of 7 inning games. managers have to be more aggressive - more bunts, get things happening. you don’t just sit back waiting for the homers.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 21:18 (five months ago) link

You ever see a post and think man I wish morbs was here to respond to that

, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 21:32 (five months ago) link

haha oh man he’d throw a beer at my head and i’d love it. sorry morbs - the game’s changed! 9 innings were good in the 50s. 7’s good now. unless somebody has a better way to both create more action on the basepaths and bring game times under three hours.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 21:46 (five months ago) link

- more aggressive managing
- more pressure to score
- more complete games from starting pitchers
- games last 2.5 hrs

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 21:48 (five months ago) link

how to speed up games - batters roll a 12-sided die to determine the count they start with.

JoeStork, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:27 (five months ago) link

right on top of home plate

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:28 (five months ago) link

If you’re going that route I’d rather see it more extreme. Get games down to 1:15.

Foul balls caught in the stands - out
Two strikes - out, but five balls to a walk
Runners can advance on any fair batted ball without tagging up

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:29 (five months ago) link

Easy to get outs but when the ball is in play it’s faster and more exciting.

Too bad speedball has a negative connotation.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:30 (five months ago) link

i’ve said this before but my dad always said home runs should be foul balls. you’ve hit it outside the field of play.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:31 (five months ago) link

Reward steals with an extra base. Take second, get third.

But only in odd numbered innings.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:35 (five months ago) link

i’m serious about 7 inning games. They’re good.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:49 (five months ago) link

I'm serious about all of the above (in a new sport alongside traditional baseball), I think they'd make it exciting as hell, like rugby sevens vs. regular rugby.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:57 (five months ago) link

yes i’m talking about the sport of baseball in case that wasn’t clear.

with 7 inning games you could also dispense with the runner on second in extras, which actually does fuck with the internals of the game in the way you’re describing.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 23:04 (five months ago) link

I think you're underestimating how much eliminating 22% of outs fucks with the internals of the game.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 23:06 (five months ago) link

i don’t think i am. but i guess we’ll never know!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 23:09 (five months ago) link

i’ve listed some big changes to the internals upthread. i consider them improvements.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 23:10 (five months ago) link

Idk if I like the idea of eliminating 2 innings in an era full of relievers who can throw 105 mph strikes, feel like a big market team could dump truckloads of money at those guys and win 110 games

I do like the 3 inning/9 outs idea though. Everyone gets a turn!!

frogbs, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 23:10 (five months ago) link

pfft come on that’s just rounders

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 23:11 (five months ago) link

But what if everyone got exactly three turns?

Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 23:21 (five months ago) link

Baseboxing - throw hands if tagging isn't feasible

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 23:27 (five months ago) link


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