the 2007 NEW YORK METS: Pedro is Gravy

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Spring Training Nears, Citi Field Begins to Sprout
By BEN SHPIGEL

Citi Field, the Mets’ new home for 2009, is slowly but surely taking shape. A portion of the main concourse along the first-base line, a pile of steel bars now, should be filled with concrete by opening day.

By June, the entire first-level concourse is expected to be finished, and some of the exterior of the building will be up, too.

“We’re on schedule,” Jeff Wilpon, the Mets’ senior executive vice president, said yesterday as he led a group of reporters who regularly cover the team around the construction site. “We may even be ahead of schedule.”

The backside of the ballpark will come later, and installing the dirt, grass and field will be among the final steps. Yesterday, home plate was indistinguishable from center field. Each was a pile of gravel.

Next week, the Mets will install a camera on mets.com that will show daily updates of the construction.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/09/sports/baseball/09base.html


Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

"“We’re on schedule,” Jeff Wilpon, the Mets’ senior executive vice president, said yesterday as he led a group of reporters who regularly cover the team around the construction site. “We may even be ahead of schedule.”"

Yeah right.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

if pedro is gravy, what does that make chan ho park

maura (maura), Friday, 9 February 2007 23:55 (seventeen years ago) link

gristle!

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 9 February 2007 23:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Man, I so wanted to start this thread with "There is the theory of the Morbius...."

I'm wondering who of John Maine/Dave Williams/Oliver Perez will step up pitching wise this year.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 10 February 2007 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link

"step up" is nothin'

Make-the-Mets meter:

http://www.amazinavenue.com/story/2007/2/21/03139/7427

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link



Promo sched


Mr Met shirt FOR KIDS ONLY?

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link


Pedro can start throwing

Dr Morbius, Friday, 2 March 2007 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

CONTRACT YEAR!

http://images.andale.com/f2/129/126/12228960/click2enlarge/1082395031402_greeneville1996.jpg

cankles, Sunday, 4 March 2007 12:29 (seventeen years ago) link

nice shirt, hoss

http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/images/2005/07/11/pQlEBwf5.jpg

cankles, Sunday, 4 March 2007 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

GIVE IT TO ME, CHIP

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/images/2005/04/06/mryCMENT.jpg

cankles, Sunday, 4 March 2007 12:33 (seventeen years ago) link

maura, Sunday, 4 March 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

what i meant to say was, get larry out of this thread

maura, Sunday, 4 March 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

right now, keith hernandez is extolling the virtues of his wife because she bought him a copy of 'baseball prospectus' via the web

god i am so happy that i work at home

maura, Thursday, 8 March 2007 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

i'll bet he thinks the internet is a series of tubes.

j.q higgins, Thursday, 8 March 2007 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

how long before Keith declares BP to be 'stathead crap'?

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 8 March 2007 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Alay Soler released, so the rotation candidates are down to about 8.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I know Mike Pelfrey has only given up 2 ER in 14 innings, but I'm worried about the THREE strikeouts.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link

and Wright's been hitting second! SO much better an idea than LoDuca, the Prospectus ppl agreed last night.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

2007 METS ANTHEM SEARCH

Step up to the plate for your opportunity to perform
the National Anthem at Shea Stadium.

What: 2007 Mets Anthem Search

When: Wednesday, March 28 11:00 am

Where: SNY Studios at Rockefeller Plaza West
(Sixth Avenue @ 51st Street)

It's the open auditions for the 2007 Mets Anthem Search.
Sign-up begins at 10:00 a.m. for auditions. The first 100 people
to arrive will be guaranteed an audition and a pair of tickets
to an upcoming Mets home game.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 13:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Looks like the starting five will be Glavine, Duque, Maine, Perez, and Pelfrey. I'm ok with that.

Michael F Gill, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

sanchez is out for the season.

maura, Monday, 26 March 2007 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

That taxi was cursed.

Michael F Gill, Monday, 26 March 2007 23:39 (seventeen years ago) link

ok, really, he's just out until august-ish. why do i have low hopes for his recovery?

maura, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:48 (seventeen years ago) link

because he's DUANER

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Somehow I missed these transactions last week:

Released DH-B Ruben Sierra. [3/20]
Signed 4C-R Fernando Tatis to a minor league contract. [3/23]

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Steven Goldman on Wright batting second

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Does it really make sense to bat Albert Pujols first? Isn't that wasting a lot of his power by ensuring he gets pitched around A LOT to start the game.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Mind you I'm not saying give Tony Womack the most ABs on your team, I'm just saying isn't their value to batting your best hitter in a position where 1) he's likely to have men on to start the game--unless one of those men is Tony Womack--and 2) have your 2nd best slugger behind him.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Not sure why Wright bats 2nd instead of Beltran anyway.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Goldman's not arguing Pujols should've batted leadoff; just that Womack should've been below him. (SG's writings on Womack during his terrible year with the Yankees were hilarious.)

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Man I can't believe the season is finally starting this weekend! It's felt like ages.

Michael F Gill, Saturday, 31 March 2007 11:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Eckstein is MEAT!!! A cutlet so tiny, but meat nonetheless!!!

LET'S GO! Less than 24 hrs...

Andy K, Sunday, 1 April 2007 02:01 (seventeen years ago) link

How sweed it is.

Michael F Gill, Monday, 2 April 2007 01:13 (seventeen years ago) link

that was a really fun game to watch.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 2 April 2007 10:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Randolph chokes and puts Lo Duca back at 2-hole, so of course he knocks in 3.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link

RED-ASS CLUTCH

(I totally forgot about last night's game; I should be fired from life.)

David R., Monday, 2 April 2007 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Braden Looper is starting for the Cards tomorrow. Hmm.

During the commercial breaks so far, MLB TV is running a baseball simulation of "Pong" complete with loud tapping noises.

Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link

The Pong is riveting, I have to admit.

mattbot, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 02:27 (seventeen years ago) link

El Duque doubles his MLB career RBI total with one swing!

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Pong is better then the Tom Petty commercial they ran every half inning last year.

Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I do appreciate the addition of the radio feed in the MLB TV subscription though. Now, with two browsers, I can at least listen to Mets radio while muting the TV broadcast. I don't have to listen to Joe Buck.

Michael F Gill, Thursday, 5 April 2007 00:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I like John Maine.

Steve Shasta, Thursday, 5 April 2007 01:05 (seventeen years ago) link

:-(

Steve Shasta, Thursday, 5 April 2007 01:13 (seventeen years ago) link

:-D

Steve Shasta, Thursday, 5 April 2007 01:40 (seventeen years ago) link

ah, looper

maura, Thursday, 5 April 2007 01:43 (seventeen years ago) link

this is great!

Michael F Gill, Thursday, 5 April 2007 02:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I might knock the Cards down a few wins now -- 79?

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:01 (seventeen years ago) link

jeez, 4 games is nothing, but juggernaut in effect

gershy, Saturday, 7 April 2007 02:09 (seventeen years ago) link

so uh

the mets are pretty good, huh

:(

cankles, Saturday, 7 April 2007 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

damn damn DAMN!!!

Eisbaer, Monday, 1 October 2007 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP1i7n8jwWo

Belisarius, Monday, 1 October 2007 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link

damn damn DAMN!!!

But it wasn't Florida who had the meltdown.

*BOOM BOOM*

Andy K, Monday, 1 October 2007 01:34 (seventeen years ago) link

damn, i believe i've been sonned ... just like the mets this week!!!

Eisbaer, Monday, 1 October 2007 01:43 (seventeen years ago) link

what happened to morbs? i hope he hasn't don't something crazy.

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 1 October 2007 01:55 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.virginia.edu/insideuva/2003/18/images/DogDay3.jpg

gabbneb, Monday, 1 October 2007 04:13 (seventeen years ago) link

God, you guys are vicious bullies.

At least I got to shout "LO DUCA YOU FUCKING SUCK" one last time. (If he is around next year I will go to a maximum of one game.)

Dr Morbius, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link

God, you guys are vicious bullies.

naw, last night we were just clowning not being vicious.

THIS is being vicious ...

Meet the Mets! Meet the Mets!
Step right up and beat the Mets!
Bring your kiddies, and bring your wife!
They'll beat the Mets to within an inch of their life!
Because the Mets are really dropping the ball!
They've got their backs up against the wall!

East Side, West Side
everyone's watching them go down!
'Cause they're the M-E-T-S, Mets
the New York clowns!

Oh, the Phillies and the Giants and the Washington team?
What can they do? They'll beat the Mets!
Oh, the Pirates and Cardinals are ready to scream!
Why will they scream? They'll beat the Mets!

All the fans, it's true, the Mets are leaving them blue,
so hurry up and come on down!
You'll say, "You call this a ball club?"
The Mets of New York clowns!

Give me a break! Give them a hand!
They're making everyone cry in the stands!

Come on and...
Meet the Mets! Meet the Mets!
Step right up and beat the Mets!
Bring your kiddies, and bring your wife!
They'll beat the Mets to within an inch of their life!
Because the Mets are really dropping the ball!
They've got their backs up against the wall!

East Side, West Side
everyone's watching them go down!
'Cause they're the M-E-T-S, Mets
the New York clowns!
The New... York... clowns!

Eisbaer, Monday, 1 October 2007 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

i've read better parodies.

hstencil, Monday, 1 October 2007 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link

the mets don't deserve better.

Eisbaer, Monday, 1 October 2007 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link

true, but the phillies might deserve better "phans"

hstencil, Monday, 1 October 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

don't the Philly fans sing 'Beat your wife'?

waht's this about a Country Time quote in THE NEW YORKER??

Dr Morbius, Monday, 1 October 2007 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

philly hasn't like won anything ever; they deserve a chance for once

gabbneb, Monday, 1 October 2007 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

1980! That'll do.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 1 October 2007 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

true, but the phillies might deserve better "phans"

i'm sure that there a few former i-bank employees milling about in Olde City and Northern Liberties talking trash about the neighbors they're displacing -- right up yer alley.

don't the Philly fans sing 'Beat your wife'?

that's very rich, coming from a team that plays in queens ... and includes an admitted steroid abuser.

Eisbaer, Monday, 1 October 2007 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Queens is the borough of domestic abuse or somethin'?

A steroid 'abuser' just abuses himself.

Steven Goldman, last Friday:

Fascinating thing about the Mets: their ERA has risen in every month of the season. From April onwards: 2.96, 3.73, 4.20, 4.50, 4.93, 5.16. In this, we could argue that the Mets' shocking last-minute fade shouldn't be all that shocking and isn't terribly last minute. I suspect if I had been writing the "Metsstriped Bible" at that time I would have been inveighing against the elderly nature of the Mets staff, arguing that oldsters are more prone to fading over the course of the season. That's not the whole story, of course; the lineup has been carrying too many dead spots all season. Unfortunately, this was a season in which there wasn't much to be done in the way of trading. Teams that needed to win through maneuver couldn't make adjustments. Omar Minaya is big on upgrading his team on the fly, certainly far more so than Brian Cashman, but between the weaknesses of the Mets' farm system and the lack of attractive options on the market, his hands were tied.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 1 October 2007 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

here's a peace offering of sorts -- i'm just as surprised that the mets collapsed as thoroughly as they did as anyone else. as pitiful as the mets' pitching had been the past month, i'd still take them over the phils' staff (God, i was cringing all throughout saturday's game on account of the pathetic-ness that is adam eaton).

Eisbaer, Monday, 1 October 2007 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

well, I'd certainly take the Phillie bullpen over that rambling wreck that gave Willie the willies. (I am not mad or offended, Eisbaer. I like the gay sports bar in Philly.)

Dr Morbius, Monday, 1 October 2007 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Nate Silver on the biggest collapses (last week):

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6764

1. 1995 California Angels

Peak Playoff Probability: 99.988% after games of August 20th
Odds of Collapse at Peak: 8,332-to-1 against
Record at Peak: 66-41, 9.5 games ahead of the Rangers and 12.5 Games ahead of the Mariners in the AL West; 12.0 games ahead of the Yankees for the Wild Card
Record after Peak: 12-26

I posed this in the form of a trivia question to our internal mailing list: Which team had the worst playoff chase collapse of all-time? I got one guess for the 1964 Phillies, one for the 1978 Red Sox, one for the 1962 Dodgers (who rank 17th), and three for the 1951 Dodgers. Only Rany suggested the 1995 Angels, and that is because he has the best memory of anyone in our group (Christina Kahrl being a close second) and recalled Clay’s original article.

But in fact the answer isn’t even close. The 1951 Dodgers' odds were 384-to-1 against missing the playoffs, while the Angels were more than 8000-to-1 against. In fact, even if you ignore the Wild Card possibility, and looked only at the divisional race, this would still rank as the worst collapse of all time. With 38 games left to play, the Angels a combined 24.5 games ahead of the Mariners and Yankees, the two teams that would eventually pass them in making the playoffs. It took a perfect storm of events to knock the Halos out of the race—two distinct losing streaks of nine games apiece, plus the Yankees and Mariners each winning two-thirds of their games—and even then they still had the chance to redeem themselves in a one-game playoff against the Mariners. It's interesting to also note that if the Mariners had blown that playoff game, because the Angels played so badly that the M’s opened up a three-game lead at one point, the '95 Mariners would rank 13th on this list.

...The Mets (99.80 percent on September 12th) would rank second all-time if they miss, making good on a 500-to-1 shot against.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 1 October 2007 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

It was the Post:

"We've been throwing four innings a night, for months! Our pitching coach has no experience talking to a bullpen. He can help you mechanically, but he can't tell you emotions. He has no idea what it feels like. And neither does Willie. They're not a lot of help, put it that way."
--Mets closer Billy Wagner, in comments reprinted in the New York Post.

"I don't want people to misinterpret what I was saying. I wasn't trying to knock Willie or Rick, because they've been great. As bad as we've played, they've been the most supportive coaches I've probably been around."
--Wagner, clarifying his comments.

"This is not the time for this kind of article to come out. We believe in Willie. We believe in Rick. And we wouldn't be where we're at today if it wasn't for their leadership, and constantly patting us on the back and kicking us in the butt."
--Wagner

"It's never about me. I want that clarified--it's not about me. It's the results that we're dealing with. I definitely don't want to sound like I'm trying to be a loud mouth, or a leader of this team. Because I'm not the leader of this team."
--Wagner (Anthony DiComo, MLB.com)

Dr Morbius, Monday, 1 October 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

hey tad thanks for the peace offering. for the record i'm not displacing anyone in philly or the east coast in general, i'll leave it to, i dunno, lawyers or somebody to do that. (JOEKS)

most of my friends who are phillies fans have been extremely gracious with their victory, which is nice considering i sorta wanted to drive off the road while listening to the mets yesterday.

hstencil, Monday, 1 October 2007 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

AP - Billy Wagner injured his ankle Sunday while furiously backtracking from comments he made earlier about the effectiveness of the Mets coaching staff.

Leee, Monday, 1 October 2007 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm really surprised no one jumped outta the upper deck when Glavine hit Willis with the 1-2 pitch.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 1 October 2007 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

while yanquis fans are bombastic and smug in their entitlement, mets fans are from other lands and retarded. i remember this summer a little kid (like, 4 or 5) getting gently berated by his uncle or somesuch relative for wearing a yanquis hat. dude. the kid is fucking 5.

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Monday, 1 October 2007 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

some people. he should have just gotten his point across with a good beating.

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 1 October 2007 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

you can find fans of all teams who are from the Land of Catsuppp Dude-Level Douchiness.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 1 October 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah but it sounds worse in broken english and a t-shirt with a cartoonishly large head of joe reyes on it.

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Monday, 1 October 2007 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

courtesy of new york's best aka only real newspaper:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10012007/img/front100107.jpg

cankles, Monday, 1 October 2007 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

For fuck's sake.

Andy K, Monday, 1 October 2007 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link

you can find fans of all teams who are from the Land of Catsuppp Dude-Level Douchiness.

he's probably a red sox fan, being from rhode island -- right?!?

Eisbaer, Monday, 1 October 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

(nb: i like Catsuppp Dude & the noizers for the most part -- no insult meant!)

Eisbaer, Monday, 1 October 2007 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Woody Paige, succinct as always on Around teh Horn: "You've got to gut this team like a fish. And when you do that, you've got to get rid of Delgado, you gotta get rid of Beltran, you gotta get rid of Sean Green, you gotta get rid of El Duque, you gotta get rid of Glavine, you gotta get rid of, uh, ah, Pedro Martinez, you've got to build around... Perez... Maine... Wright... Reyes."

Andy K, Monday, 1 October 2007 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Get rid of Beltran? That's dumb.

Alex in SF, Monday, 1 October 2007 22:39 (seventeen years ago) link

so was that glavine's last outing?

mookieproof, Monday, 1 October 2007 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i saw that, and apparently some people on wfan are talking about dumping beltran too. so dumb.

hstencil, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 02:34 (seventeen years ago) link

In a way I think the Mets collapse is worse than that of the 1995 Angels, just because of the fewer number of games involved (i.e. the swiftness of events) and the fact that they never really recovered at any point (the 1995 Angels, 1993 Giants, 1978 Red Sox all collapsed, and then caught fire at the end to tie up the division again).

-- signed: guy who still hasn't recovered from the 1987 Blue Jays

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 08:47 (seventeen years ago) link

i more intrigued about his name than anything else.

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 13:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the significance of the Mets collapse is also coupled with the fact that they had one of the weakest schedules in the league, playing much of that stretch at home.

Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

att Steve Shasta (from Newsday):

John Maine showed up Monday, but not to pack his locker. He came by Shea to pick up MRI film of his left hip, which he will have examined further Tuesday in Philadelphia. Maine revealed that he had been hurting from a sore hip since the All-Star break, which may explain why he went 5-6 with a 5.53 ERA in 15 starts in the second half of the season.

"It bothered me all year," Maine said.

He seemed fine on Saturday, when Maine struck out 14 and carried a no-hit bid into the eighth inning before Paul Hoover's two-out dribbler ruined his shot at history. Maine's gem kept the Mets' playoff hopes alive, only to see then dashed 24 hours later.

"It still doesn't feel like the season is over," Maine said.

Told about the fans' misery, he added, "I don't think they're as disappointed as we are. We worked harder than they did to not do it."

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

scott schoenweis takes 'roids? who knew?

hstencil, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link

the significance of the Mets collapse is also coupled with the fact that they had one of the weakest schedules in the league

TRUTH

sanskrit, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

what? against Manager of the Year Manny Acta?

via the Always Amazin' blog -- the year in Mets "#5 Starters":

Jorge Sosa (14 starts): 7-6, 4.59 ERA
Mike Pelfrey (13 starts): 3-8, 5.58 ERA
Brian Lawrence (6 starts): 1-2, 6.83 ERA
Jason Vargas (2 starts): 0-1, 12.19 ERA
Dave Williams (1 start): 0-1, 22.85 ERA
Chan Ho Park (1 start): 0-1, 15.75 ERA
Phil Humber (1 start): 0-0, 7.71 ERA

Total: 38 starts, 201 1/3 IP, 11-19, 6.39 ERA

Makes you wonder why Sosa was pulled from the spot.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

What if Maine had spoken up about his injury, gone on the 15-day DL and turned in just one more quality start than he did? The world may never know!

mattbot, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

nah, that's not a gamer.

Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

this could also be an interpretation of the last two weeks of the season:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfz6l2n_e40

omar little, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i need an animated gif of the last few seconds!

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

nb: i like Catsuppp Dude & the noizers for the most part

Yep, you don't know im

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Buster Olney floated the idea of a Reyes/Gomez for Santana trade, which seems like a terrible idea to me.

polyphonic, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

they're not dealing Reyes, Wright or Beltran for anybody.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

and I choose to blame the idiot Kevin James LETSGOMETS!!! Shea video for the collapse. It was introduced sometime around August 1.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 4 October 2007 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link


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