which of Joe Sheehan's nominees is the best pitcher in baseball?

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He excluded Greinke because he was surveying the last 2-1/3 years.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9044

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Halladay 8
Santana 5
Sabathia 1
Lincecum 0
other 0


Dr Morbius, Sunday, 14 June 2009 15:55 (ten years ago) link

Johan in a walk.

sanskrit, Sunday, 14 June 2009 17:51 (ten years ago) link

Halladay.

Johan's roidtastic 03-06 seasons maybe are competitive but Halladay's had to face the Sox and Yankees repeatedly (compared to KC, Pit, Wash). What is the park-adjusted and strength of schedule adjusted pitching mega-FLORP stat?

Right now this very second I think you could make a strong case for any one of them, but I'm going to vote for Johan cuz the last three years he was probably an ever so slightly better pitcher than Sabbathia/Halladay and if you go back five he was the undisputed king of the hill.

Alex in SF, Sunday, 14 June 2009 21:42 (ten years ago) link

I think VORP adj for park and league, but I guess not for lineup.

Alex in SF, Sunday, 14 June 2009 21:43 (ten years ago) link

halladay - johan is second easily but i have a problem with the fact that johan goes 6 2/3 max every game

let free dom ring (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 14 June 2009 21:43 (ten years ago) link

Although according to Fangraphs WAR (which appears to park/lineup adj) stat it really should be Sabbathia in a walk:

Three years:
Sabbathia 7.7/7.2/2.8
Halladay 5.8/7.6/3.9
Santana 4.6/4.8/1.8

Alex in SF, Sunday, 14 June 2009 21:48 (ten years ago) link

i'd say Halladay (although i'll admit to bias). stats aside - nobody in baseball gobbles up inning like he can and he gets his guys back to hitting faster than anyone i've ever seen.

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Sunday, 14 June 2009 23:59 (ten years ago) link

good point.. it's important when pitching to get your own offense motivated. And as Joe Morgan once said, great pitchers don't worry about getting outs, they're looking to help their own offense to see the ball at the plate.

sanskrit, Monday, 15 June 2009 02:56 (ten years ago) link

huh

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 15 June 2009 02:57 (ten years ago) link

halladay - johan is second easily but i have a problem with the fact that johan goes 6 2/3 max every game

Santana has thrown ~ 230 innings every year for the past few years and hardly ever missed a start during that time. If you're somehow trying to claim that Santana doesn't eat innings, you're wrong.

For me this is Halladay vs Santana, and I'm also tempted to go with Halladay because of the division and league he's pitched in for his entire career, but like Thermo I'm just a LITTLE bit biased.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 15 June 2009 13:43 (ten years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 23:01 (ten years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 23:01 (ten years ago) link

Don't mess with the Canuck contingent.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 23:16 (ten years ago) link

morbs played himself with the timing here

bnw, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 23:25 (ten years ago) link


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