the sub-.500, playoff-bound PADRES thread

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i figured that sean burroughs' pitching tonight (1 IP, 3 ER, 4 H , 1 HR ... so far) was enough of an occasion to kick off this thread. their magic number is 8!

maura (maura), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 02:16 (sixteen years ago) link

oh wait, damn, right now they are ABOVE .500 ... although in an out they'll be at .500

unless they stage the GREATEST TWO-OUT COMEBACK EVER of course

maura (maura), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 02:17 (sixteen years ago) link

oh well, so much for that

maura (maura), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 02:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Sean found a 2nd career! Awesome!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 02:46 (sixteen years ago) link

This thread title is a little premature, the Friars' magic # remains at 8 for the 3rd day in a row, after their lucky come from BFE victories against COL and WAS.

Seeing as the Giants have narrowed the lead to 5 and finish with 4 head to head against the Padres, I wouldn't count the Padres in as absolute just yet (esp. after tonight's debacle).

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Sean was much much better than Woody Williams tonight.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:51 (sixteen years ago) link

the Friars' magic # remains at 8 for the 3rd day in a row

That's impossible. When you win, your magic number changes. They won yesterday.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:52 (sixteen years ago) link

You know, assuming the Astros take the WC, I can definitely see the Pads having a fine chance to knock off the Cardinals.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 12:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Wow, that has to be the boldest post-"20-1 loss" claim in the history of this message board.

I admit that Carpenter vs. Peavy would be interesting, but all of the 2-5 pitchers in the Cardinals' rotation have better stats than any one else in SD other than Peavy.

SD pitches in a severe pitchers' park and their team ERA is 4.24. The Padres recently signed Chan Ho Park off waivers for starting depth and he delighted them with a 6.41 ERA and 1.68 WHIP in 8 starts (5 of which were at home), a performance not equalled until Burroughs' 75mph gas last night.

If Peavy can stay healthy and pitch all 5 games for SD, you may be on to something. Otherwise it's gonna be golf in La Jolla come October week 2.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:09 (sixteen years ago) link

The Padres recently signed Chan Ho Park off waivers

No, we traded Phil Nevin for him. I mean, signing him off waivers would at least just be taking a flier on a guy. We actually traded a reasonably good player (who has sucked this year) who can play 3b, 1b and c. Horrible trade, whether it makes fiscal sense or not.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

And that was only after Phil Nevin rejected our opportunity to get Sir Fat Sidney Ponson!

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Poly, be happy your boys cut bait on Philbo when they did. Dude's injury-prone, one-dimensional (if he "plays" catcher, then I can "play" a harpsichord), overpaid, and entering the ass end of his career. Getting Chan Ho Pork for ANYBODY is a bad trade, tho.

OMG they have Manny Alexander! If the batboys get arrested for holding, the cops know where to go!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link

If Peavy can stay healthy and pitch all 5 games for SD, you may be on to something. Otherwise it's gonna be golf in La Jolla come October week 2.

Or Peavy pitches and wins twice, and the Padres get lucky in a third game where the Cards starter melts down and the game ends 10-8 in one of those playoff clusterfucks where anyone can fluke out a win. This is why I don't like best of five series.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah 'gax, what, does the best team always win? THIS IS NOT THE NFL!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Haha yeah but I don't think it's too much to ask that a good team always win.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Morbs, the Padres are not the best, or even a good team. They are .500 in the worst division in the history of the game.

Please elaborate more on why their chances are so fine to take care of the Cardinals in the first round.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Ideally, they should set up the rotation so that Peavy pitches in St. Louis - all the starters aside from him have been AWFUL away from Petco. I'd like to think that Eaton can do well on the road, but Woody & Lawrence have been unghly road warriors, and while Astacio (who's now back, I think?) has a fancy 3.43 ERA in 21 road innings, he's got a 1.52 WHIP attached to those IP, which is not gonna get the job done anywhere.

So, something like:

Peavy
Eaton
Woody
Astacio (or Lawrence)
Peavy

... and the Pads most definitely have a shot. Assuming someone can hit the damn ball (besides Giles & Roberts).

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link

>the Padres are not the best, or even a good team.<

Well, that's my point -- they aren't, and can still win a 5-game series, as DR outlines. Their chances ain't "fine," but way above nil -- much like the '73 Mets against the Big Red Machine.

I'd love to see LaRussa overmanage his way outta this, since it looks like I'm rooting for the AL team in the Series unless it's the Yanks or Angels.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:24 (sixteen years ago) link

The Padres have a winning record against the Cards and Braves. They beat the Cards 3 out of 4 in STL before STL had any injuries of note. But, that's a pretty small sample size. Obviously they CAN beat anyone. Peavy is great but is he better than Carpenter? Maybe not. Is Eaton as good as Mulder? Uh, no. The odds are certainly against us.

Poly, be happy your boys cut bait on Philbo when they did. Dude's injury-prone, one-dimensional (if he "plays" catcher, then I can "play" a harpsichord), overpaid, and entering the ass end of his career. Getting Chan Ho Pork for ANYBODY is a bad trade, tho.

I don't see any reason to be happy that we traded a bad player for a terrible player. Getting rid of him certainly didn't make our offense any worse, but letting Chan Ho Park pitch has definitely been a huge problem, way bigger than anything Nevin did. Park is taking starts away from the Stauffers and Sweeneys of the world, who aren't world beaters but certainly could pitch better than Chan Ho Park.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Also, when healthy, from 1999-2004, Phil Nevin has been a very effective hitter. He's having a Mike Lowell type season this year now that he's presumably off steroids or something, but he's only 34 years old.

Anyway I always have hated him so I'm glad he's gone, but couldn't we have traded him for like a box of baseballs or some chaw or anything but Chan Ho Park?

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link

You guys almost got Ponson so really it could have been worse.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Poly, given what Stauffer's done, do you really want more starts from him? Also, for the first time since 1876, Park had moments of (dare I say it) non-crapitude, so given the alternatives, what the hell? Also, being an "only 34" stocky first-base type is not where you want to be. There's a reason the Red Sox only signed Big Papi to a two-year deal, which is the same reason why folks roffle when discussing the Giambino deal.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Stauffer has been terrible, sure, but not as bad as Park. Sweeney would be a better choice. Or maybe give one of the relief guys a shot.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:12 (sixteen years ago) link

You guys almost got Ponson so really it could have been worse.

Ponson hasn't played since August 7th. I wish I could say the same about Chan Ho.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Or maybe give one of the relief guys a shot.

Like Burroughs? (fnar)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Burroughs is the Dennis Eckersley of fat triple-A third basemen.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:26 (sixteen years ago) link

When I think about this Padres team being in the playoffs, I always remember the 1987 Twins, which many people said had no right to be in the playoffs and yet won the whole thing. That Twins team would have finished in 5th in the AL East.

I think the extra round of playoffs makes it a bit less likely that a team like the Padres would win it all, but they do get the five game opening series where anything could happen. It seems the wild card teams have benefitted from getting the extra playoff spot more than the weak division winners.

I like the extra playoff series. If I could have a baseball wish, I'd like to see how playoff series would have played out in the 70s & 80s with the expanded four team format.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Woody is capable of being fantastic. If he's on, anything could happen.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Tracer Hand, you go to bed now.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Despite big loss, Padres start magic number countdown at Petco

By BERNIE WILSON, AP Sports Writer
September 21, 2005

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- The San Diego Padres' timing couldn't have been worse.

Trying to whip up playoff fever, Padres officials unveiled a magic number countdown at Petco Park on Wednesday and announced details of the public sale of playoff tickets, should they hold on and win the NL West.

Trouble is, it came less than 24 hours after one of the worst losses in team history.

``There are a lot of people who would say, 'Gee, aren't you superstitious, why would you start a countdown after a loss of 20-1 in Colorado?' `` Padres CEO Sandy Alderson said. ``I think obviously you have to put that loss in perspective. We won some terrific, very exciting games over the last week. One can always pick out a game to reinforce a particular point of view.''

Unfortunately for the Padres, Tuesday night's loss reinforced what a struggle this season has been. It dropped them to 75-75 and cut their lead to five games over Barry Bonds and the San Francisco Giants.

It got so bad that manager Bruce Bochy had third baseman Sean Burroughs -- a former Little League World Series star -- pitch the eighth inning. He allowed four hits and three runs, including Matt Holliday's foul-pole homer.

It was Burroughs' first pitching appearance since his senior year in high school.

The Padres matched the most lopsided loss in franchise history.

San Diego's magic number for clinching the division remained at eight. The team has a countdown sign on the upper balcony of the Western Metal Supply Co. brick warehouse just beyond the left-field corner at Petco Park.

``The magic number of eight is not a magic number of zero,'' Alderson said. ``There's a long way to go between now and the end of the season.''

After finishing the four-game series at Colorado, the Padres play three weekend games at Arizona before finishing at home with four games against the Giants and three with the Los Angeles Dodgers.

``If we can get past the notion that we won't win 90 or 95 games, I think we're going to have a tremendously exciting time here in San Diego, if we do take advantage of this opportunity and win the division,'' Alderson said.

``I don't think anybody expected that the Padres would lose 20-1 last night, but I don't think anybody expected us to win 8-5 after being down 5-0 with two outs in the bottom of the ninth, either,'' he said, referring to Saturday night's comeback against the Washington Nationals. ``But that's the beauty of the game.''

If the Padres do clinch the NL West, the first two games of their best-of-five division series will be on the road. Game 3 will be at Petco Park on Oct. 8, and Game 4, if necessary, would be the next day.

The Padres will put approximately 10,000 seats for each potential home playoff game on sale on Oct. 1.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:24 (sixteen years ago) link

The magic number is 7 now.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 22 September 2005 02:09 (sixteen years ago) link

The Padres just might be the second team to clinch their division.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 22 September 2005 02:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Let me just remind you of the outcome of yesterday's game again:

20-1. By the Rockies, the worst team in the NL.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 September 2005 02:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes the Padres are definitely the only team in baseball to have a bad game.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 22 September 2005 02:56 (sixteen years ago) link

haven't the rockies had one of the best post-all-star-break records? they were dreadful at the season's outset, but otherwise...

maura (maura), Thursday, 22 September 2005 04:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes, Gygax, because clearly it's not at all silly to point to ONE GAME as the whole of a team's worth. Because no winning team has ever lost to a lesser team, as Poly noted. And no team has ever gotten blown out of the building and lived to tell the sorry tale. Because if that were true, then the Yankees - who've lost 17-1 TWICE this year - would not be in first place right now. And your rabid bias re: the Padres has nothing to do w/ the fact that, were the Giants actually run & managed w/ some sense of, oh, I dunno, BRANES, they'd be running away w/ their pisspoor division.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 22 September 2005 04:54 (sixteen years ago) link

The Rockies have more or less kept pace with the Padres since the beginning of June.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 22 September 2005 05:26 (sixteen years ago) link

So has the glass in my windowframes.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 22 September 2005 06:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Y'all ever seen Jaws?

http://www.hardballtimes.com/gifs/nlwestwins.gif

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 September 2005 11:54 (sixteen years ago) link

No longer sub-.500, btw. And they played at least .550 ball for the first 6 weeks or so, yes? What regulars missed a fair amount of time -- Greene, Loretta and Ramon H?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 September 2005 12:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Eaton was out for a handful of weeks, too.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 22 September 2005 12:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Ill be at the second game with LA this next weekend. Any Petco Park tips/suggestions/sweet local bars in which to get drunk at after the game?

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I have no idea if it's still there but there used to be an excellent MexicoCity-style tacqueria in the Gaslamp (long before the "revitalization" of downtown SD) called Alambre's. Great food... a friend of mine (from Mexico City) dragged me here on many occasions before I started going all the time.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link

BTW gax, if the Pads will be such October pushovers, don't you think the Cardinals should tank their two games against Houston next week to make certain they play SD?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 September 2005 19:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Interesting, what's TLR's record post-clinching?

But I bet right now the Cardinals organization is quivering in their boots, glued to the plasma watching the 2nd near-shutout that the Rockies (AT COORS!!!) have thrown against the Padres in 3 days*.

*and let's not forget that 1-0 shutout that the Rockies threw against SD a few months ago that set the record for lowest scoring game in Coors Field history.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 September 2005 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah but unluckily for the Cardinals they don't play at Coors Field.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:01 (sixteen years ago) link

The only NL teams with fewer runs scored than the Padres are the Giants and Nats.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:03 (sixteen years ago) link

The Padres have been 1 or 2 games over .500 like 15 times since July 11th, but every time they peek their heads above the line, they lose the next couple games. It's infuriating.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:13 (sixteen years ago) link

I personally think the best thing that could happen is if the Padres fail to make the playoffs. I want massive, wholesale change to this team, because as it is constituted, it just isn't good enough to do much of anything in the playoffs. The argument for the playoffs is Peavy + Eaton + pray for magic, but Peavy is only a very good pitcher, and Eaton has only ever been a shutdown pitcher for like 2 months earlier this season, and don't make me run through the list of pitchers who had two good months for the Padres.

The Padres remind me of last year's Twins... Johan Santana and then hope the amazing bullpen can win the rest of the games. But amazing bullpens don't tend to be quite so amazing in the playoffs... I remember what happened the last time Trevor Hoffman pitched in a World Series game. The ball is somewhere in the Bronx.

Another problem is that last year's Twins had a much better offense than the Pads, a much better defense, and have actually improved offensively since then. The Padres show little room for improvement. They need an influx of talent, or this cute little window of competitiveness is over.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Just checked the PCL end of year standings:

The Beavers finished just under .500 and were 3rd to last in Runs Scored!!!

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, we have a few cool minor leaguers, but really only Josh Barfield can help any time soon, and he plays 2B. Maybe he could be converted to CF or 3B...

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:30 (sixteen years ago) link

The magic number is down to 5.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 24 September 2005 04:53 (sixteen years ago) link

46-60 since June 1.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 September 2005 14:20 (sixteen years ago) link

And yet, just as much of a chance as anyone.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Fick is optimistically looking ahead.

"All you have to be is one game over .500 in every round of the playoffs," he said.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Hahaha! That's priceless.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link

http://images.gaslampball.com/images/admin/NLW_champs2.jpg

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 29 September 2005 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link

sixteen years pass...

I was wearing my Padres shirt yesterday and a woman stopped me on the sheet and said there was a recent jeopardy question about “the only baseball team that the name of the team and their city don’t have any English words”

calstars, Sunday, 26 June 2022 18:24 (one month ago) link

Sand is a word ;)

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Sunday, 26 June 2022 21:48 (one month ago) link

think an argument can be made that neither philadelphia nor phillies are english words

mookieproof, Sunday, 26 June 2022 22:08 (one month ago) link


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