Ichiro/Sisler Watch!

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So as of this moment in a 10-1 game, he is 4 for 4. Since the All-Star break he has gone 70 for 144, or .486. He has 189 hits on August 17.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:22 (fifteen years ago) link

He's got a walk too.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:27 (fifteen years ago) link

Raul Ibanez is 5 for 5.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Brett Boone with a pair of ding-dongs... Seattle comes ALIVE.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:33 (fifteen years ago) link

Ichiro is now on pace for 261 hits. This thread should double as the Ichiro/Sisler watch.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:43 (fifteen years ago) link

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:09 (fifteen years ago) link

no need to whisper when you can always SHOUT AT THE MODERATOR.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:37 (fifteen years ago) link


Such a lotta fuss over hits in a season .. a COUNTING STAT!

Of course if Ichiro hit .486 the rest of the way he'd finish above .400, that'd get lots more ink than beating Sisler. He is having the best of his four US seasons, certainly, but if the M's weren't done he might undeservedly get the MVP too. (Betcha Mark Loretta doesn't crack the top 5 in the NL MVP even if the Pads make the playoffs and he wins the batting title.)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link

he won't get nearly enough publicity if he breaks sisler's record. i guess it's karma.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:08 (fifteen years ago) link

I apologize for talking about hits of all things.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:12 (fifteen years ago) link

I mean I know, if Ichiro gets 260 hits and walks 50 times it wouldn't be as good if he walked 120 times and got 190 hits, Ichiro didn't deserve MVP, but come on now, he's fun!

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:29 (fifteen years ago) link

I know he's fun, and even 6th in the AL in VORP. He's just no Melvin Mora.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:38 (fifteen years ago) link

if Ichiro gets 260 hits and walks 50 times it wouldn't be as good if he walked 120 times and got 190 hits

why? for pitch count purposes? don't these both equal getting on base 310 times?

mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:53 (fifteen years ago) link

I like Melvin Mora but I don't think Ichiro's possible achievement needs diminishing, because if it happens it will be incredible.

(I was being facetious! xpost)

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link

aha!

mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link

you had me questioning my feeble math skills!

mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Even fair-minded SABR types will admit a walk is NOT always as good as a hit. Which is why no one seems overly excited that the single-season walk record is gonna be exceeded by ~15%, and BB figures to reach base around 360 times.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link

but do SABRgeeks hate RICKEY? I'm guessing no.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link

SABR geeks reminisce about "that awesome Tettleton walk back in '93!"

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:05 (fifteen years ago) link

of course, VORP conveniently ignores that mora can't field the ball while ichiro is one of the best rightfielders in baseball.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:01 (fifteen years ago) link

and he steals like a mofo

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:07 (fifteen years ago) link

btw, sabErgeeks (we've been over this, there is a distinction right?) typically love rickey because he walked a ton and posted the highest OBPs of any leadoff hitter in history, with pop to boot. i doubt the steals come into it, and they might even be considered a negative. in his big seasons he was caught stealing as many times as this era's SB leaders are successful.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Seattle right fielder Ichiro Suzuki, the majors' leading hitter, left the game with a mild concussion in the third inning when he was hit in the head by a pitch from rookie starter Jimmy Serrano.

Suzuki, batting .366 and with a major league-leading 189 hits, lay face down in the batter's box for several minutes before coming to his feet and walking to the dugout. He was examined by the Royals' team physician and is not expected to play Thursday.


DIE JIMMY SERRANO DIE DIE

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:45 (fifteen years ago) link

SERRANO YOU THREADKILLER

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 August 2004 02:03 (fifteen years ago) link

I was employing i-er-ny re Mora... but he leads Ichiro about 62-54 in VORP and defense is not enough to account for the diff *this year*... and Melvin's Range Factor is decent.

Wrong, JD ... Rickey's career SB success is well above break-even (~75%) with 1406 steals and 335 CS -- not as stellar as Tim Raines (808 / 146) but valuable. RH was caught 42 times when he stole the 130 in '82, but he was never again caught even TWENTY times in a season afterward (stole 93 in '88 and caught only 13).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:06 (fifteen years ago) link

o come on in cool points few touch ichiro right now, you sabrmetricians aren't accounting for tail availability

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:40 (fifteen years ago) link

he seems to be doing alright after the beaning and ultimately he didn't even miss a game because of that rainout.

and in cool points Ichiro ownz

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 20 August 2004 23:41 (fifteen years ago) link

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=schwarz_alan&id=1861009

just imagine if he hadn't hit .255 in april!

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 21 August 2004 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link

And imagine if Roy Hobbs had given him Wonderboy.

One John Pastier wrote on the SABR e-list:

"[Ichiro] is hot right now and has a good shot at the record, but is also one of the least run-productive of the 21 players to ever get (or be on pace for) 235 or more hits in a season. Almost 84% of his hits this year are singles, which is by far the highest proportion in this group.  His closest competition is himself in 2001, with 79%.  His walk rate isn't good either, but that's
almost a prerequisite for getting a very high number of hits...

"According to Baseball Prospectus, Ichiro's Equivalent average (.316) is currently 27th-best in the majors, and his runs above replacement (51.8) is 18th.  His Runs above Position (24.2) is 23rd, and Runs above Replacement at Position
(42.9) is 20th.  What does an all-time single-season hits record signify if the holder isn't one of the ten best hitters in the major leagues that year?"

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link

If I hit that many singles, I'd be wearing a dress.

Guess which HOFer (Leee), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link

ugh

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link

"What does an all-time single-season hits record signify if the holder isn't one of the ten best hitters in the major leagues that year?"

that the record holder's approach at the plate is vastly different from the average, or at least the top 10 hitters?

big deal. it's a power/strikeout game now, and ichiro is not a power/strikeout hitter. shock.

i think it makes what he's doing even more impressive.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:08 (fifteen years ago) link

that should be "approach at the plate and/or skill set" because i don't want anyone to start with some "but ichiro could just be patient and mash home runs if he wanted to" bs. his approach is a phenomenal example of a player maximizing the skills he brings to the table.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Ichiro does this for another 6-7 seasons and he belongs in the HOF, pure and simple.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 26 August 2004 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Re the "dress" quote above, the Mick said that about Charlie Hustle.

As a SABR listee pointed out, there may be a batting title winner with the most hits ever by a winner (Ichiro) and one with the least hits ever by a winner (Bonds).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=240831114

TORONTO (AP) -- Ichiro Suzuki was a big hit at SkyDome.

Suzuki got three hits to finish with 56 in August, the most in a month by a major leaguer since 1936, and the Seattle Mariners rallied past the Toronto Blue Jays 7-5 Tuesday night for their season-high fifth straight victory.

The last player to get so many hits in a month was Cleveland's Roy Weatherly in July 1936.

``Of course I know him,'' Suzuki joked. ``Who is that?''


i'm with ichiro on that one.

he's now on pace for 264 hits...

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 03:18 (fifteen years ago) link

another gem from ichiro:

"I don't feel like I'm in a zone. I'm going out and doing the same things I always do," Suzuki said. "I've kind of ran out of things to say."

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 03:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Sep 2 Outfielder Ichiro Suzuki collected two more hits to remain on pace to break the single-season record for total hits, but the bigger story on Wednesday was the fact that he was walked intentionally by the Blue Jays in the seventh inning. "That's the kind of stuff they do with Barry Bonds," Mariners coach Bob Melvin told the Seattle Times. "You don't usually do it with a singles hitter, and you're putting speed on the bases, too."

the leglo (the leglo), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Two years ago, Ichiro was intentionally walked many many times. His walk total that year (68?) is 20+ more than any number of walks he's garnered in the majors. It's nothing new, but it is interesting, and at least it makes more sense to pass Ichiro THIS year, given the squiggles he's got hitting behind him.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Was there a guy on 2nd when Ichiro was walked?

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Better question: was Sisler Canadian?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:21 (fifteen years ago) link

ichiro gets pitched around often with risp, probably largely due to his rookie season when he hit around .500 in that situation for most of the year.

John (jdahlem), Friday, 3 September 2004 19:11 (fifteen years ago) link

this is probably the wrong place to write about this but hey, this board has very little semblance of structure/order:

A-Rod 2004 (w/ RISP)

BA: .210
OBP: .309
SLG: .363

Hmmmm..

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 3 September 2004 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link

4 for 4 so far tonight. Mark Buerhle's taking it pretty well.

oops (Oops), Sunday, 5 September 2004 00:06 (fifteen years ago) link

perfect on the night.

he's gonna do it.

John (jdahlem), Sunday, 5 September 2004 01:22 (fifteen years ago) link

currently Ichiro has 223 hits(!) and 27 games remaining in which to get the 34 hits needed to tie George Sisler. His current batting average is .379, his SLG is .474. He is on pace for 270 hits.

Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 5 September 2004 02:01 (fifteen years ago) link

wow.

maura (maura), Sunday, 5 September 2004 02:37 (fifteen years ago) link

He's hitting far above .400 since the all-star break.
Did you see some of the pitches he turned into hits tonight? Amazing.

oops (Oops), Sunday, 5 September 2004 06:27 (fifteen years ago) link

he's hitting .477 since the break to be exact! with a slugging percentage around .600 and an OBPS of 1.100

Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 5 September 2004 06:53 (fifteen years ago) link

only 1-4 today.

He's slumping!!

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 5 September 2004 23:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Willy Taveras = substandard

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Willy T is hitting .310 (.344 OBP) against righties which is definitely something the Mariners could use in a leadoff guy!

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link

And the Mets!

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Willy Taveras = substandard

Doesn't change the fact that he's #1.

boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll take Ichiro's "ass-sucking" numbers against righties over Tavera's any day of the week.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...
"Once I turn 40," he says, "I can become a pitcher. I'm kind of serious about it. But I'll have to learn to throw a knuckleball. Right now, I could be a 'normal' pitcher," who can top out at 95 mph with a fastball.

Andy K, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:30 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

Okay so someone explain to me again why Ichiro wasn't always in CF?

Alex in SF, Friday, 22 June 2007 04:22 (twelve years ago) link

1) Mike Cameron
2) He was a big baby about moving from RF

David R., Friday, 22 June 2007 04:50 (twelve years ago) link

Heh well it's clearly not cuz he can't play the position.

Alex in SF, Friday, 22 June 2007 04:57 (twelve years ago) link

it seems like he's always watching out about being hurt. it limits his range.

jergïns, Friday, 22 June 2007 06:22 (twelve years ago) link

Uh his Zone Rating is really really good (.916) and he's made 50 plays OUTSIDE of his zone according to Hardball Times.

Alex in SF, Friday, 22 June 2007 14:08 (twelve years ago) link

Back in the day he was very awed by Mike Cameron's defensive plays, I remember him praising MC very highly. I think he said at one point that he was the best player he ever played with (take that A-Rod!)

Steve Shasta, Friday, 22 June 2007 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

He never played with A-Rod though?

Alex in SF, Friday, 22 June 2007 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

a-rod = adrian beltrod.

Steve Shasta, Friday, 22 June 2007 17:43 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't get to watch much of the game the other day, but I have to say, what I saw was awesome. You know, the one where Seattle was playing. Against some team. TBH I completely forget now. Anyway, Ichiro's up, hit a single grounder to the left (and basically STOPS the bat mid-swing when he realizes it's an off-speed pitch, too), 3rd baseman makes a spectacular diving play + throw and still doesn't beat Ichiro because the dude is amazing.

Then Ichiro steals second. Then Ichiro steals third. Then some dude hits a grounder to third, 3rd baseman makes a nice catch, looks at home and realizes he has NO chance of catching Ichiro, and trows to first for the out which he gets.

It's been a while since I've watched much baseball but I REALLY like watching Seattle. If I didn't hate their cap so much I would buy one! (I think I used to have one in the mid 90s, actually, but that was the mid 90s when navy and green were ok together, amirite?)

Will M., Friday, 22 June 2007 18:12 (twelve years ago) link

i won't buy another mariners cap until they do away with the teal. fuck that color.

alex, with his speed i think his range could be even wider. (but my thinking is more based on watching him than any statistical analysis)

jergïns, Friday, 22 June 2007 21:42 (twelve years ago) link

wow this thread kinda makes me hate all of you, now i see why all the cool ppl left for I luv football

cankles, Saturday, 23 June 2007 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

Do you like teal a lot.

polyphonic, Saturday, 23 June 2007 15:57 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

THIRD IN BLORP!~!!!! PONDER THAT U SECRET-KOREAN ICHIRO HATERS

(NICK SWISHER THINKS U CAN SUCK A DICK BTW, NO HOMO)

cankles, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 12:36 (twelve years ago) link

HI DERE MORAN

NE MORE TRADE OFFERS LOL?

David R., Tuesday, 10 July 2007 13:41 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

Haha I like that Ichiro is coyly bitching about the team dress code while talking up the prez.

He was only 21 years old when he 16 (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 15 July 2009 20:20 (ten years ago) link

Ichiro is crushing hard in that picture.

He was only 21 years old when he 16 (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 July 2009 23:00 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...
eight months pass...

One hit away from 4000!

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:56 (six years ago) link

bbr: ichiro's WAR in '04 was 9.2, which led the league (3rd in mlb behind bonds and beltre)

christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:01 (six years ago) link

Third post on this thread:

Raul Ibanez is 5 for 5.
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:32 PM (9 years ago)

clemenza, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:14 (six years ago) link

Know who else had 4000 hits? Jigger Statz.

http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/ddd7d6e6

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 23:47 (six years ago) link

http://deadspin.com/last-night-on-fox-sports-1-the-worst-sports-panel-disc-1182957398

Haha good grief

polyphonic, Thursday, 22 August 2013 18:44 (six years ago) link

was sure before i clicked that Pete Rose wd've been invited

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 August 2013 18:56 (six years ago) link

wow what a meas

k3vin k., Thursday, 22 August 2013 19:58 (six years ago) link

Read a couple of things yesterday that both concluded he'd be at or very close to 4,000 if he'd started in Seattle at age 21. A big factor is that all those years in Japan, he was playing a 136-game schedule.

clemenza, Friday, 23 August 2013 12:59 (six years ago) link

I think that's a pretty safe conclusion.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 23 August 2013 15:05 (six years ago) link

Something something something beard. Someone help me out, I'm feeling less than 100 today.

Shannon Leeedles (Leee), Friday, 23 August 2013 17:17 (six years ago) link

"Suzuki, Orix Right Fielder"

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 23 August 2013 17:49 (six years ago) link

Per the time I sat in RF in Seattle, Ichiro has/had an amazing lower body.

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 25 August 2013 08:15 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Between the Lines, Japanese Star Is Known as a First-Class Spanish Trash Talker

Veteran first baseman Carlos Pena remembered one of his frequent encounters with Ichiro. He was defending first for the Tampa Bay Rays, and Ichiro had just arrived on one of his patented infield hits. Ichiro peered over at Pena and asked, "Que coño tu mira?," or, "What the hell are you looking at?" Pena clamped his lips together to prevent the laughter from bursting through.

mookieproof, Thursday, 4 September 2014 15:40 (five years ago) link

ten months pass...

ichiro hit his first double of the season (in 247 plate appearances) for his 2900th MLB hit

career ops+ of 109 now

mookieproof, Thursday, 30 July 2015 00:28 (four years ago) link

as Mantle said of Pete Rose, if i hit like Ichiro -- nah

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 July 2015 00:29 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

he and ty cobb now have 4,191 pro* hits

mookieproof, Saturday, 15 August 2015 01:30 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Pitched an inning today. Better line than Buehrle.

clemenza, Sunday, 4 October 2015 22:54 (three years ago) link

how can you post something from that article and not post this

http://giant.gfycat.com/GreatShyCranefly.gif

qualx, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 05:17 (three years ago) link

a fair point.

also

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/7/1/0/153227710/100415_mia_ichiro_strike2_med_poelcx2q.gif

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 14:30 (three years ago) link

@JoeFrisaro
The #Marlins are signing Ichiro Suzuki today for the 2016 season.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 15:30 (three years ago) link

ichiro looks so delighted in that gif

How Butch, I mean (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 19:55 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

Yusei Kikuchi clearly influenced by Ichiro's history with Mariners.

“Mr. Ichiro is a person in the sky, a legend. I don’t know if he really exists. I want to meet and talk with him first. When I do have the opportunity to step on the field with him, it will be a great moment.”

— Greg Johns (@GregJohnsMLB) January 3, 2019

mookieproof, Thursday, 3 January 2019 21:07 (eight months ago) link

eight months pass...

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2XyM3cgLHz/

Sally Jessy (Karl Malone), Saturday, 14 September 2019 05:24 (four days ago) link


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