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The White Sox have to be the most "against all odds" team of unlikely heroes seen in baseball in, what, like 3 or 4 seasons?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 4 May 2006 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Guillen calls columnist Mariotti homosexual slur


On Tuesday to reporters, White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen referred to Chicago Sun-Times columnist and Around the Horn contributor Jay Mariotti as a derogatory name for a homosexual.

Angry with a recent column by Mariotti critical of Guillen's handling of recently demoted relief pitcher Sean Tracey and upset with Mariotti with columns of the past, Guillen said to reporters when referring to Mariotti before Tuesday's game with the Cardinals, "What a piece of [expletive] he is, [expletive] fag."

"I don't have anything against those people. In my country, you call someone something like that and it is not the same as it is in this country."

Mariotti was covering the NBA Finals Tuesday night and was not present to hear what Guillen said.

Columnist Greg Couch of the Sun-Times wrote a column Wednesday in response, calling for commissioner Bud Selig to suspend Guillen for his use of a "hurtful homophobic" term.

Before writing the column, Couch asked Guillen for an explanation. Guillen defended his use of the term "fag" by saying this about homosexuals and the use of the word in question: "I don't have anything against those people. In my country, you call someone something like that and it is not the same as it is in this country.''

Guillen said that in his native Venezuela, that word is not a reference to a person's sexuality, but to his courage. He said he was saying that Mariotti is "not man enough to meet me and talk about [things before writing].''

Guillen also told Couch that he has gay friends, attends WNBA games, went to a Madonna concert and plans to go to the Gay Games in Chicago.

"I called that of this man [Mariotti],'' he told Couch. "I'm not trying to hurt anybody [else]."

Scott Reifert, the White Sox's vice president of communications, offered to apologize on behalf of the organization when approached by Couch.

"To anybody who was insulted or hurt by that comment ... as an organization, we'll certainly apologize," Reifert told Couch.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

oh ozziefag

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

"Guillen also told Couch that he has gay friends, attends WNBA games, went to a Madonna concert and plans to go to the Gay Games in Chicago."

?!!?!?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

He's not gay - he's just a lesbian.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Can't wait for Hawk to weigh in on this one.

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Ozzie also thinks you could totally eat dinner off Neal Cotts' ass.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

(no homo)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link

So, the Sox totally spanked the great St. Louis Cardinales 20-6 last night...

In the third, every member of the Sox lineup got a hit in the inning (a couple had two IIRC.) Has that ever happened before?

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

(I do love the part about going "to a Madonna concert" in that story above!)

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

"Guillen also told Couch that he has gay friends, attends WNBA games, went to a Madonna concert and plans to go to the Gay Games in Chicago."

HAHAHA WHAT? god i love ozzie. also, if you're gonna call someone a fag, it might as well be Jay Mariotti.

INSANE CLOWN FOSSE (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

...and in the first inning of game 2, the pounding continues...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

"attends WNBA games" is my favorite part.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Liza Minelli, showtunes, macrame... it's all good.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 23:35 (seventeen years ago) link

n/h

INSANE CLOWN FOSSE (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

that's two starters in a row for the cards that have given up at least nine runs

gear (gear), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 23:51 (seventeen years ago) link

http://wizbangblog.com/images/2005/10/white_sox_kiss.jpg

c(''c) (Leee), Thursday, 22 June 2006 00:38 (seventeen years ago) link

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gear (gear), Thursday, 22 June 2006 00:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i damn near drove off the road when i heard ozzie's 'some of my best friends...' addendum today. they were comparing it to rocker's comments which while yeah these are reprehensible (and surely him saying it about mariotti is a mitigating factor) they're still nowhere near rocker league.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 22 June 2006 02:36 (seventeen years ago) link

i would've let rocker slide if he was hilarious like OG!! hell, ozzie could go out and participate in a gaybashing and i would prob just like him more lol~~~

INSANE CLOWN FOSSE (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 22 June 2006 03:06 (seventeen years ago) link


Please, you can't be serious, I detect girlish sarcasm there.

Anyway, does mlb have a consistent policy on such statements? Like, say you had Italian teammates but openly refused to eat pizza or pasta in front of them because your family was 'boycotting' Italian food? How is THAT not equally bigoted?

ed slanders (edslanders), Thursday, 22 June 2006 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

SOUTH SIIIIIDE!!!

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 23 June 2006 03:38 (seventeen years ago) link

paging Janet Margolin on fuckin basketball in Annie Hall

What wd OG's suspension be if he had called that writer a pussy?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 June 2006 12:21 (seventeen years ago) link

way to out your 3b coach:

Prior to this evening’s Cards/White Sox contest, the recently chastised Ozzie Guillen was asked by Comcast Chicago what he thought his sensitivity training would be like.

“I’ll probably have to sit with Joey Cora for a couple of hours,” laughed Guillen.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

What about LaRussa claiming the Sox were using a cameras to steal signs in the first two games of the series. It might happen, but then again, most of the MLB seems to have any Cards starters number outside of Carpenter. Saint Louis' starting pitching really sux considering their record.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

awwww somebody stole a sign? unfair!

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

anthony reyes is pretty unaffected thus far.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 23 June 2006 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

LaRussa's spiel was they figured out after the second game of the series that the Sox were stealing signs, so they switched them up and got beat 1-0. I just figured it was LaRussa not liking being horribly beaten by a former employer making some excuses. "Oh it isn't that our pitching stinks and the Sox have a Clubber Lang lineup, it is the camera stealing signs in center field. Dave Duncan is a pitching coach genius."

Putting a healthy Thome in the middle of that lineup is just sick. It is a bit like when Ortiz took off in Boston a few years ago, they couldn't pitch around Manny anymore and it seemed the whole lineup improved. The White Sox were a good hitting lineup last year, but now they are a great hitting team.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 23 June 2006 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I gotta tip my hat -- they are an awfully fun team. My, they love getting those clutch grand slams this week. Nice one, So Tagutchi.

I will be in Chicago next weekend and at the Monday, July 3 game vs. the Orioles. We are in Section 527 (thank you, StubHub). If Stormy or any other ILBBers will be there, email me, and would love to say hi before the fireworks.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 26 June 2006 02:22 (seventeen years ago) link

whew, that was some game last night. fuck you, espn, for not showing it until the end/extra innings. i'm sure you bristol fucks thought that florida/jankees matchup was really exciting, but hey, it wasn't.

love teh tagutchi.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 26 June 2006 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Iguchi or Taguchi?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 26 June 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

That's so Iguchi!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 26 June 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Whoops! Not So Iguchi. Just a Tad Iguchi.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 26 June 2006 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the Astros main strategy against the White Sox should be to not give up Grand Slams.

This weekend was ridiculous.

boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 26 June 2006 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Very funny, Commissioner (took me a while)!

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felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 03:29 (seventeen years ago) link

i think the astros strategy should be to forfeit.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

hey, ms. redwell! - i will be attending the July 3rd festivities. me and about 99 of my non-closest, semi-friends. My favorite bartender had been doing this thing where he buys a bunch of grouped tickets to the half-price Mondays, so there will be a large group of us there to root on the good guys. I will drop you a line!

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 04:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Awesome -- email me!

felicity (felicity), Friday, 30 June 2006 03:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Can somebody (Stormy Davis?) help me get my head around this team? Don't get me wrong, I think they're talented... but their seems to be something else going on with them (and I know I'm not the only one out there scratching my head).

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 30 June 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

END THIS GAME ALREADY.

Sheesh. I have shit to do...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 9 July 2006 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

THANK YOU Tadahito.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 9 July 2006 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I was there, Stormy. Mercy!

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
wtf is Ozzie doing screaming at Garland in the dugout for not decapitating Ian Kinsler? other than being Ozzie, that is.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260723104

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 July 2006 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

The Chicago White Sox acquired right-handed pitcher Mike MacDougal from the Kansas City Royals in exchange for minor-league pitchers Tyler Lumsden and Daniel Cortes.

maura (maura), Monday, 24 July 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
"When you play [expletive] [Johan] Santana, [Brad] Radke, [Francisco] Liriano, the guy from Cleveland ... [C.C.] Sabathia, all the other guys ... ah, [expletive]. If we played National League teams, the Central Division, we might win 150 games in that [expletive] league."
--Guillen

"They think I cheat? We faced two [expletive] good pitchers in the National League Central. Our division, they have to face [the Tigers' starting staff], then you go to the White Sox and face all our guys? When you're going to go to another team, you're going to go, 'Whew, where is Randy Johnson?' The American League Central? That's baseball right here. Go hard one after another."
--Guillen

"Good, I hope [they keep accusing us]. What happened in the playoffs and World Series? We won 1-0, 2-1. We won so many one-run games, more than anyone in baseball last year. You look at our No. 3, 4 and 5 [hitters], they are the best in baseball. If we're cheating, how come we [don't] help Brian Anderson or [Juan] Uribe?"
--Guillen

"We're cheating on the mound? Our pitching staff gets beat up once in awhile. They're mad. They can't admit that a Latino kicked their ass."
--Guillen

"That's why I love the guy next door. He doesn't give a [expletive]. He doesn't worry about this and that. You win, you kicked our butt. When they clinched in 2004, I was the first one to go over there and congratulate them because they beat us."
--Guillen, on Twins manager Ron Gardenhire

"'Oh, no, I don't like you because you kicked my ass?' Please. That's competition."
--Guillen

"That's why I don't get along with too many managers. Because they hate my [expletive] ass, because I don't kiss their ass, and I didn't kiss anyone's ass to get this job."
--Guillen

"Then they have a Mexican win the World Series in two years. And they're saying he doesn't have experience, he never managed in baseball before. Well, too [expletive] bad."
--Guillen

"What's the difference? No one knows the difference anyway."
--Guillen, after being reminded that he's Venezuelan

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 August 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I am glad that Ozzie Guillen exists, though I'd never ever want to work for him or employ him.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 21 August 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

haha awesome

gear (gear), Monday, 21 August 2006 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

How come Jermaine Dye never did this as an A?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link


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