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So, with 60+ games down, it's becoming apparent that the AL Central will end up being a two-team race this year, unless the Indians or (uh...) Tigers make some big deals the next few weeks. Kansas City is surprisingly awful this year after being a thorn in the Twins' and Sox's side last year.

I don't pay much attention to the Twins day-to-day but do know that they have an innate ability to pull games out of their asses. Tonight, however, the White Sox were down 4-0 going into the 8th and managed to pull out a great, exciting 7-5 win in 10 innings, playing a bit of "Ozzieball" as Hawk Harrelson calls it. The Sox have won their fair share of late-inning comebacks, so this looks to be an exciting remaining 100 games. The little deals that Kenny Williams made this offseason that are paying dividends are: trading for Juan Uribe from the Rockies; getting Shingo Takatsu for set-up/closer role; and signing Scott Schoeneweis (though he's falling back to earth of late). They're also getting good production from Frank Thomas, Carlos Lee, Paul Konerko, and to a lesser extent Aaron Rowand and Miguel Olivo.

On the 'con' side, Billy Koch has been pretty atrocious, for the most part, as has Mike Jackson. Maggs is out for a few more weeks after having his knee 'scoped. And Joe Crede is still laboring in the low .200s, albeit with several huge clutch hits to his credit. From all indications, Kenny Williams has been working the phones trying to secure a real "5th starter" (ideally, a #2 or #3 guy) and Reinsdorf has told him that the pursestrings are loosened. I have a good feeling about the rest of this year. (And yeah, I had the same feeling last year...)

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 01:57 (sixteen years ago) link

I think the real "5th starter" KW is looking for is actually pitching for the Pirates right now.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 02:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm a Cubs fan, but I'm not one of the northsiders who hates the Sox. If the Cubs couldn't do it, I'd be ecstatic to see them win it. It's all about Uribe, Thomas, Lee, Konerko, and Buerhle this year. Plus the weak division. But they're a team that could go all the way. Highly unlikely in that league, but it is possible.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 03:07 (sixteen years ago) link

are you from chicago, gear?

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 04:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah. My dad grew up two blocks from Wrigley, my mom's family from the South Side, she grew up near Midway.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:09 (sixteen years ago) link

But I grew up in the boondocks of McHenry County.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Broheems, I don't have your e-mail address handy...I have 2 tix for the Sox/Cubs at the Cell on the 26th if you want to go -- let me know.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I didn't have such a good feeling last year. I must say I do not recognize this team AT ALL. My cranky old dad - 'I think I like this team', which is hilarious if you know him, because he never says anything nice about any team.

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:14 (sixteen years ago) link

The business intelligence of Kenny Williams (from the Management by Baseball blog).

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:25 (sixteen years ago) link

god I miss going to see the Sox. Living in New York sucks.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:47 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm going to have to echo kerry's sentiment, i don't get a good feeling about this team. and it's not because of the players, i think they're a talented group but i get a hinky feeling from ozzie guillen, the same feeling i used to get from jimy williams.

but having said that i don't see this team losing the al central race. if the sox can add a quality arm to the rotation (and at this point adding even a middling veteran who knows how to pitch would be an upgrade) i think they can stave off minnesota. should be an interesting summer.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:52 (sixteen years ago) link

come on back to chicago h, we kept it just like you left it.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:53 (sixteen years ago) link

otto I think Kerry's saying she has a good feeling about this team, unlike last year. I for one am glad Manuel's gone and Ozzie's lightened things up a bit. I can't believe I actually have seen Frank Thomas smile this year!

Also, wtf is up with TBS not broadcasting Sox v. Braves last Sunday?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:01 (sixteen years ago) link

It was probably on Turner South.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:03 (sixteen years ago) link

otto I think Kerry's saying she has a good feeling about this team, unlike last year

misinterpreting what a woman is saying is so unlike me. i don't follow the chisox nearly as closely as i do the bosox but my current location makes it hard to avoid coverage of the southsiders and i get a weird vibe from the team. maybe it was some of ozzie's early season decisions that have me spooked or maybe it's the white knuckles that billy koch induces (ala d-lowe in his last year as a closer) but i get the same feeling i got from the bosox of 2001. chisox pitching is way better than boston's that year and the al central doesn't have the yankees so i think they should be alright.

i am glad to see paul konerko playing well this year, i wasn't sure what was wrong with him last year but i'm happy it's not permanent.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:38 (sixteen years ago) link

It was probably on Turner South.

lotta good that does for us basic cable proles.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Paulie ain't doing as well as 2 years ago.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:03 (sixteen years ago) link

actually paulie is on pace to have a year that stands up pretty well to what he did two years ago.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link

you and your "statistics"

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link

it doesn't matter if the White Sox win the division, wins aren't as important as win shares or "expected record"

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:35 (sixteen years ago) link


hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:55 (sixteen years ago) link

BBT - yes, I would totally be up for that!! I will email you.

We've had a lot of posts on this thread and no mention of El Caballo's 28 game hit streak! Look out Joe D!

Also, Shingo made the Marlins look foolish last night. I don't know how long he can keep fooling people, but so far so good; he should have been made closer a long time ago, dammit. If the Sox end up finishing 2nd in the central by one or two of the games blown by Koch, I will scream. ANd throw things.

Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 21:14 (sixteen years ago) link

the reason why i don't like "current season only" all star voting is that a notorious slow-starter like Derrek Lee gets the short shrift even though he's one of the best in the majors by September.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 21:28 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm gonna post that elsewhere.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 21:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Ok so, so much for C Lee's hit streak. Guess I jinxed him by giving him props up there. I didn't think jinxes worked on streaks, though! I mean, reporters talk to players about them all of the time! Before and after games! Ah well. They can breathe a sigh of relief over at the Italian American Sports Hall of Fame on Taylor.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:09 (sixteen years ago) link

goddammit Broheems, and he even signed your jersey in that Mexican joint.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 03:27 (sixteen years ago) link

"I don't pay much attention to the Twins day-to-day but do know that they have an innate ability to pull games out of their asses."

The Twins did it again last night, scored three in the last two innings and then won it in the 11th against the Expos.

earlnash, Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Actually it is even weirder than that...

Twins win on foul home run

June 17, 2004
Frank Robinson cried foul -- with good reason.

The Montreal manager was irate Wednesday night after Luis Rivas' 11th-inning drive down the left-field line was called fair for a home run, sending the visiting Minnesota Twins to a 5-4 victory over the Expos.

Television replays clearly showed the ball hooked foul in front of the net that serves as a foul pole at Olympic Stadium, but third base umpire Brian O'Nora signaled fair. The rest of his crew conferred, then let the ruling stand.

earlnash, Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Cordero got the shaft that game. Gleeman, in watching the difference between the 8th/9th, said that his strike zone disappeared... coupled with the crap foul HR call was enough for Frank to file a petition with the league.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link

I mean even Rivas stopped at first and looked around whether to go back to the box or not.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link

After 2, all 6 of Beckett's outs have come via strikeouts (he has given up 1 hit though). The way the White Sox are hacking lately, he may get 27.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 17 June 2004 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link

8 Ks through 3.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 17 June 2004 22:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Whoa - Sox catch a break! Beckett leaves in the 4th with some kind of strained back muscle.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 17 June 2004 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm so pissed i missed that start. i don't think anyone in baseball has better pure stuff than beckett.

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 17 June 2004 23:47 (sixteen years ago) link

i do not miss politte¡

dyson (dyson), Friday, 18 June 2004 01:31 (sixteen years ago) link

He blows. My guy Damaso came through but as usual, the bats were ice cold.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 18 June 2004 01:49 (sixteen years ago) link


Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 19 June 2004 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link

At least we'll probably get a new pitcher now.

Kerry (dymaxia), Saturday, 19 June 2004 23:32 (sixteen years ago) link

maybe you guys can get freddy garcia and save us halsey/navarro/cano.

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 19 June 2004 23:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Of course the White Sox throw up 14 runs and lose. Silver lining: Jose Uribe is on my fantasy team! Not to silver is that Big Hurt is riding the pine for much of this series and didn't do jack for me today.

Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 20 June 2004 01:55 (sixteen years ago) link

to = so

Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 20 June 2004 01:55 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't remember a season in which the Sox played so many beer-league softball-type games. Losing 17-14 to the goddamned fucking Expos is a fucking disgrace. Sucky 5th starters + atrocious relief pitching (with the exception of Mr. Zero) = recipe for 2nd or 3rd place in the very winnable AL Central.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Sunday, 20 June 2004 02:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I still think they'll win the division, but then again the Tigers might pull off a Jesse Ventura-esque victory somehow.

Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 20 June 2004 03:01 (sixteen years ago) link

thomas is just putting up insane numbers right now, it's like, what. 170 point separate his OBA and batting average and he's only got 3 IBBs. (which is not to say that scott hatteberg shouldn't be your 1B AL rep)

i don't get how the sox are scoring all these runs though. i guess most everyone is offensively a plus at their position, with a couple plus pluses thrown in. except crede, that guy blows.

John (jdahlem), Sunday, 20 June 2004 03:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Sox have an array of offensive threats: Ordonez, Lee, Thomas, Konerko, Uribe, Valentin, Harris, Olivo, and even guys like Rowand, Alomar, Burke and Gload have decent averages. It's what's saved their bacon this year, since their starting pitching has been really shaky for most of the last month.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Sunday, 20 June 2004 03:48 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, well "Offensive threats" = "swing for the fences like there is no tomorrow"

business as usual on the South Side, in other words.

Ok, that's not entirely true; the emergence of Uribe and Harris at the top of the order (the latter especially - TOTALLY unexpected, in my case anyway), and their impressive OBP numbers, helps counteract the rest of the homer-happy lineup.

But seriously, Buehrle needs to stop this "OK, I will SUCK for the first two innings and then settle down" crap. For real. I'm getting REAL SICK of the routine, Mark.

Broheems (diamond), Sunday, 20 June 2004 04:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I wonder if the overall White Sox starters' tendency to give up 2-4 runs in the first 2 innings of every game is an abberation vs. other teams, or not. Seriously, it seems that every time I tune in after the first inning, the Sox are either leading 5-3 or down 3-0.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Sunday, 20 June 2004 04:39 (sixteen years ago) link

When he's inducted into the HOF, people are going to wake up and realize just what they missed on the south side with Big Hurt. The guy is a monster, even in a season like this, which isn't remotely close to his best.

Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 20 June 2004 08:16 (sixteen years ago) link

since frank has been on the sox have they pulled off any division championships¿ maybe once the team gets noticed more so too will thomas.

dyson (dyson), Sunday, 20 June 2004 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link

they pulled off several in the early '90s and didn't they get one around '98? but in those days their pitching wasn't arse...

Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 20 June 2004 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link

awwww somebody stole a sign? unfair!

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link

anthony reyes is pretty unaffected thus far.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 23 June 2006 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link

LaRussa's spiel was they figured out after the second game of the series that the Sox were stealing signs, so they switched them up and got beat 1-0. I just figured it was LaRussa not liking being horribly beaten by a former employer making some excuses. "Oh it isn't that our pitching stinks and the Sox have a Clubber Lang lineup, it is the camera stealing signs in center field. Dave Duncan is a pitching coach genius."

Putting a healthy Thome in the middle of that lineup is just sick. It is a bit like when Ortiz took off in Boston a few years ago, they couldn't pitch around Manny anymore and it seemed the whole lineup improved. The White Sox were a good hitting lineup last year, but now they are a great hitting team.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 23 June 2006 23:17 (fourteen years ago) link

I gotta tip my hat -- they are an awfully fun team. My, they love getting those clutch grand slams this week. Nice one, So Tagutchi.

I will be in Chicago next weekend and at the Monday, July 3 game vs. the Orioles. We are in Section 527 (thank you, StubHub). If Stormy or any other ILBBers will be there, email me, and would love to say hi before the fireworks.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 26 June 2006 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link

whew, that was some game last night. fuck you, espn, for not showing it until the end/extra innings. i'm sure you bristol fucks thought that florida/jankees matchup was really exciting, but hey, it wasn't.

love teh tagutchi.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 26 June 2006 14:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Iguchi or Taguchi?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 26 June 2006 14:56 (fourteen years ago) link

That's so Iguchi!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 26 June 2006 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Whoops! Not So Iguchi. Just a Tad Iguchi.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 26 June 2006 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I think the Astros main strategy against the White Sox should be to not give up Grand Slams.

This weekend was ridiculous.

boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 26 June 2006 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Very funny, Commissioner (took me a while)!

felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 03:29 (fourteen years ago) link

i think the astros strategy should be to forfeit.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link

hey, ms. redwell! - i will be attending the July 3rd festivities. me and about 99 of my non-closest, semi-friends. My favorite bartender had been doing this thing where he buys a bunch of grouped tickets to the half-price Mondays, so there will be a large group of us there to root on the good guys. I will drop you a line!

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 04:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Awesome -- email me!

felicity (felicity), Friday, 30 June 2006 03:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Can somebody (Stormy Davis?) help me get my head around this team? Don't get me wrong, I think they're talented... but their seems to be something else going on with them (and I know I'm not the only one out there scratching my head).

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 30 June 2006 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link


Sheesh. I have shit to do...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 9 July 2006 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link

THANK YOU Tadahito.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 9 July 2006 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link

I was there, Stormy. Mercy!

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
wtf is Ozzie doing screaming at Garland in the dugout for not decapitating Ian Kinsler? other than being Ozzie, that is.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 July 2006 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link

The Chicago White Sox acquired right-handed pitcher Mike MacDougal from the Kansas City Royals in exchange for minor-league pitchers Tyler Lumsden and Daniel Cortes.

maura (maura), Monday, 24 July 2006 20:04 (fourteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
"When you play [expletive] [Johan] Santana, [Brad] Radke, [Francisco] Liriano, the guy from Cleveland ... [C.C.] Sabathia, all the other guys ... ah, [expletive]. If we played National League teams, the Central Division, we might win 150 games in that [expletive] league."

"They think I cheat? We faced two [expletive] good pitchers in the National League Central. Our division, they have to face [the Tigers' starting staff], then you go to the White Sox and face all our guys? When you're going to go to another team, you're going to go, 'Whew, where is Randy Johnson?' The American League Central? That's baseball right here. Go hard one after another."

"Good, I hope [they keep accusing us]. What happened in the playoffs and World Series? We won 1-0, 2-1. We won so many one-run games, more than anyone in baseball last year. You look at our No. 3, 4 and 5 [hitters], they are the best in baseball. If we're cheating, how come we [don't] help Brian Anderson or [Juan] Uribe?"

"We're cheating on the mound? Our pitching staff gets beat up once in awhile. They're mad. They can't admit that a Latino kicked their ass."

"That's why I love the guy next door. He doesn't give a [expletive]. He doesn't worry about this and that. You win, you kicked our butt. When they clinched in 2004, I was the first one to go over there and congratulate them because they beat us."
--Guillen, on Twins manager Ron Gardenhire

"'Oh, no, I don't like you because you kicked my ass?' Please. That's competition."

"That's why I don't get along with too many managers. Because they hate my [expletive] ass, because I don't kiss their ass, and I didn't kiss anyone's ass to get this job."

"Then they have a Mexican win the World Series in two years. And they're saying he doesn't have experience, he never managed in baseball before. Well, too [expletive] bad."

"What's the difference? No one knows the difference anyway."
--Guillen, after being reminded that he's Venezuelan

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 August 2006 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link

I am glad that Ozzie Guillen exists, though I'd never ever want to work for him or employ him.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 21 August 2006 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link

haha awesome

gear (gear), Monday, 21 August 2006 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link

How come Jermaine Dye never did this as an A?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Because he hates freedom. Also, he was pissed off that he fell to ROUND ELEVEN in our fantasy draft, and was all like 'payback. now.'

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link

There was also that broken leg thing.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

And 9/11.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

#3 in MLB slugging average.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Jermaine Dye makes me so mad.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 24 August 2006 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Meanwhile Jon Garland seems to have remembered how to pitch.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 24 August 2006 21:18 (fourteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

Garland and co. give up 32 in a double header.

Buehrle gives up zero in eight innings the next day.


Andy K, Sunday, 8 July 2007 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Four-year extension, apparently.

Andy K, Sunday, 8 July 2007 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link

sucker's deal

Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 July 2007 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link

It's better than the Burnett & Zito & Schmidt deals, tho. Which is, um, setting the bar pretty low @ this point.

David R., Monday, 9 July 2007 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link

During a 58-game stretch, White Sox relievers posted a 3-13 record and a 7.52 earned-run average.

“I’m not calling them losers, but they’re not ready to win,” Guillen sniffed.

“It gets to the point where you just laugh,” White Sox starter Mark Buehrle said. “Knowing Kenny, I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole bullpen goes. They need to ship some guys out soon.”

bnw, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link

That gets a Young Jeezy "Daaaaayyyummmmmm!"

Andy K, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link

I wish someone would YouTube Uribe showing up the Tigers prior to his fly ball landing well in front of the fence for a routine out.

Andy K, Thursday, 26 July 2007 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link

I loves me a classic pitchers duel, and we've got one going on, but these WGN assholes make me wanna die. Dude's extended riff on Ty Cobb's penmanship was, uh, really something.

Rock Hardy, Sunday, 29 July 2007 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link

a rematch of a pretty good pitchers duel at that!

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Sunday, 29 July 2007 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Steve Stone in the booth with the Hawkeroo tonite! I think I could get used to this!

Stormy Davis, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link

One minute, Guillen wondered why "people thought I was going to take my shirt off and go butt naked on Michigan Avenue" during the White Sox's victory parade, and the next, when it was suggested that Guillen leave it all and retire to his native Venezuela and get fat and happy, he scoffed.

"Because," Guillen explained, "my wife, when I have sex with her, wants to feel a good-looking man."

bnw, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link

i was looking for the chisox thread! doesnt jenks have some impressive streak right now? does anyone care, y/n?

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

I wonder how many Major Leaguer father/Famous Artist son combos there have been in baseball history:

Cy Twombly


Cy Twombly

boldbury, Saturday, 13 October 2007 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link

seven years pass...
five years pass...

these guys can hit

na (NA), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 19:55 (five months ago) link

abreu is on a fuckin tear

mookieproof, Wednesday, 26 August 2020 20:30 (five months ago) link

luis robert is looking very good

also very sss but nick madrigal is batting .400 so far

na (NA), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 15:25 (five months ago) link

yeah, luis robert is a future star (current star?), and great in the field too

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 15:30 (five months ago) link

madrigal is a tortuga-like purveyor of untrue outcomes

mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 15:37 (five months ago) link

the harmony of lies: the nick madrigal story

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 15:40 (five months ago) link

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