explain going to a baseball game to someone from the UK

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i've been a baseball fan for a few years now, mainly due to the weekly live game broadcast overnight on channel 5 over here. i've no idea what its like to go to a game though, so.......
1. how much does it cost for a seat at a mlb park? as there are so many home games in a season becoming a regular must get expensive, no?
2. where is the most expensive seat? (i'd like to sit right behind home plate so i can flinch when a 90mph fast ball is sliced over the catchers head.)
3. can you really see that much? i'm always amazed at how many people seem to be sitting 400 yards away from home plate. i guess there is some sort of video screen showing close ups or something?
4. how expensive is the food/drink? do different clubs have speciality foods only available at their grounds?

(i'm sure there was something else i wanted to ask....hmmmm)

zappi (joni), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:15 (seventeen years ago) link

1. how much does it cost for a seat at a mlb park? as there are so many home games in a season becoming a regular must get expensive, no?

it depends on the stadium/team and location of the seats. in san francisco, face value of ticket prices range from $10-$50. The premium seats are sold second hand for usually 2x-5x depending on the quality of the seats and the draw of the game (rival team/playoffs)

2. where is the most expensive seat? (i'd like to sit right behind home plate so i can flinch when a 90mph fast ball is sliced over the catchers head.)

that's about right, starting from behind home plate and the closer to the field is where the most expensive seats are.

3. can you really see that much? i'm always amazed at how many people seem to be sitting 400 yards away from home plate. i guess there is some sort of video screen showing close ups or something?

i think the furthest seats are probably 500 feet from home plate = 167 yards. you'd be surprised at how much you can see!

4. how expensive is the food/drink? do different clubs have speciality foods only available at their grounds?

yes, each parks has it's own variety of food, although the traditional hot dogs/peanuts are a standby. it is expensive, but again this ranges in each stadium on exactly how expensive. in SF: hot dogs = $5-6, beer = $7-9, peanuts = $4. not cheap.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:33 (seventeen years ago) link

3. can you really see that much? i'm always amazed at how many people seem to be sitting 400 yards away from home plate. i guess there is some sort of video screen showing close ups or something?

I spent the last 4+ innings in the left field upper deck and was perfectly happy with my view. I could have moved a lot closer to home plate because the crowd was pretty sparse but didn't because the view was fine and there was nobody around me.

boldbury (boldbury), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't help but wonder why you stayed all the way up there. by yourself.

dyson (dyson), Friday, 11 June 2004 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

What's amazing is that when you first go to a ballpark, the place seems big on TV (especially when there are those misleading shots from the outfield that make the distance from home to center seem like hundreds of yards) but most seats are good. Sitting in the outfield is always fun, especially if you get there early and, say, Moises Alou or some pitcher plays catch with the fans in the left field seats (one of my favorite Wrigley Field memories is Astros relief pitcher Larry Anderson playing catch with the fans in the bleachers before a game, and everyone there giving him a standing ovation when he came in for an inning of relief later on)

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 11 June 2004 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't help but wonder why you stayed all the way up there. by yourself.

Because I went to the game by myself and there was plenty of room to stretch out and be comfortable and there was a nice breeze and there were too many halter-top-wearing high school girls in the other sections and I was mad because I dropped my hot dog.

boldbury (boldbury), Friday, 11 June 2004 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

there were too many halter-top-wearing high school girls in the other sections and I was mad because I dropped my hot dog.

You kids and your slang.

mattbot (mattbot), Friday, 11 June 2004 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

The Ballpark abounded with halter-top wearing high school girls? I knew I should have gone. "Girls Gone Wild: Ameriquest Edition" could pay my tuition next semester.

I've sat behind home plate and didn't care for it. I much prefer being low near first or third, or even better (in Texas) sitting underneath the Home-Run Porch. Shady, giant useless fans, close to the museum, etc.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 11 June 2004 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

i've sat there milo, it does feel grand

it rained for an hour when i was there too, and we were pimpin in the porch

i'd by psyched to see soriano sometime, i think it's fantastic that he's leading (or led, for awhile) the 2004 all-stor ballot

there are a lot of bad ballparks. cincinnatti is kind of weird in that the decks are really STEEP, you feel like you might keel over forwards, 100 feet down to the field

some are really nice and cosy. fenway park especially has more seats in it that seem "close" than many other, larger parks do

fulton county stadium was atrocious; i've never been to where the braves play now

many people talk about "that first flash of green," as you come within sight of the field, up from whatever godawful ramps you've been passing through to get inside, i'm sure most other sports share this flash of excitement when you actually glimpse, in passing, on the way to the sausage stand, the field of play

it's definitely awsome to get along the lines, because the players are right there. you could conceivably verablly abuse them should the desire strike. (i've always wanted tennis to be more hectoring and partisan. it's just one person against another though, from entirely different countries usually. like chess or something)

i like ballparks because everybody's got a license to just shout and jump around and bitch and complain. i hate "the wave" though. people need a place or an opportunity to go do that stuff, but not at a baseball game. in fact there should be events where people gather by the thousands and do things like 1) the wave 2) patting their fingers together, and then their palms, and then their hands, and then their legs, and their feet, to create the sound of a thunderstorm)

here's the old corny man in me along though, to tell you, GO TO BATTING PRACTICE. it's actually good advice because you get to slowly tuck into your drinking earlier (many parks stop serving alcohol after the 7th inning) and you just get to kind of chill. you might catch one of the 100000s of BP home runs that get lofted into the bleachers.

none of the games have the sometimes vicious intensity of british football though. i think the closest you get to that in the US is college football (american style)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 12 June 2004 00:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the lack of intensity (though I'm still praying that the baseball gods bring the avg. game down to 2-2.5 hours, the rest is just wasted time) - baseball is poetry, wankwankwank etc. etc. etc..

NBA Basketball is the most intense of major American sports, done right. Even more action than football, everything swings back and forth so well in a good game, constant scoring and movement, your team running up a 15-2 lead in the first minutes might mean jack (hello Mavs-Kings). Like soccer with more payoff.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 12 June 2004 00:56 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah same sport really, angling for position, lots of body fake-outs. balls in nets.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 12 June 2004 00:59 (seventeen years ago) link

great post, tracer. (how many ballparks have you been to?)

"i'd by psyched to see soriano sometime, i think it's fantastic that he's leading (or led, for awhile) the 2004 all-stor ballot"

ok, now i've got to know: what is it with the fascination with soriano? i was taken in with him during his rookie season because i saw loads of potential, and i was happy as a clam when he immediately fulfilled it the next season, but by last year the novelty had worn off. completely. i'm glad he's gone, and i know i'm far from alone in feeling that way. i suppose he's flashy and makes for good highlights, but his talent is superficial. to an impartial observer he may be "fun", but to a fan he's just frustrating.

i guess the feeling i had whenever i got glimpses of him during 2001 is what most baseball fans, who've generally encountered the soriano surrounded by a swirl of ny hype and highlight reels, still feel, even after last year's postseason debacle? because i really thought that'd put an end to it.


John (jdahlem), Saturday, 12 June 2004 01:07 (seventeen years ago) link

milo, have games ever been 2-2.5 hrs?? maybe so, but until players stop swinging and missing every other pitch, we're in for long games. i'm again going to bring up bill james' brilliant advocation of a gradual widening the bat handle diameter until they're at ~1950 breadth.

surely college basketball is more intense? younger, crazier, etc.
nba basketball is boring, and seems to be getting more so. i don't mean to derail the thread into a non-baseball topic, but is defense really that much better or can players just not shoot anymore?

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 12 June 2004 01:12 (seventeen years ago) link

They didn't hit 2.5 hours until the '60s (and I believe they dipped down during that decade). In the '30-40s the games were often shorter than two hours.

Apparently the average last year was 2:45, way better than I thought and down from the '90s. (I'm sure my view is heavily skewed by seeing games in a hitter's park, and a preference for watching pitching duels.)

College basketball does nothing for me. Low scoring, a lot of the players can't shoot or take over a game. Which goes for most of the NBA, too. A few teams make it fun when they're cooking - scoring inside and outside, ball movement, none of that 'throw it to the fat guy in the post' stuff (I forget whose quote that is.) I don't really know enough about basketball to say what's wrong, but I suspect it's a lack of experience and fundaments and there are a few dominant big men that everyone's trying to emulate rather than work around.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 12 June 2004 01:53 (seventeen years ago) link

that's funny, because my theory is that the 3-point shot has ruined basketball because everyone centers their game around it, but it would probably crumble under the flimsiest attack. i haven't watched any basketball for a couple years now. the last nba game i tried to watch some of (lebron and carmello's first bout) was just intolerable, and rightly or wrongly i thought it indicative of the state of the NBA these days; it definitely seemed to confirm everything i'd heard about what's wrong with the sport.

i'm shocked that the average game is at 2:45, i'd always just assumed they were 3+ hours. 2:45 sounds fantastic, all things considered.

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 12 June 2004 03:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, there were almost twice as many 3+ hour games as there were sub-2:30 (750 v. 430ish), so I don't know how the numbers work out.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 12 June 2004 04:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd mostly agree with you on three-pointers - too many players and teams jacking up threes all the time. I had to suffer through watching Antoine Walker this year. But players who can shoot them are great - the fact that so many mediocre talents think they can be Reggie Miller or Bird is part of the general decline in fundamentals. Someone like Peja or Nash can still drive, shoot from midrange and play, along with killing everyone from outside, but they're rare.

Even then, I'd rather watch a team run up and down shooting threes than half-court "dump it to the fat guy in the post" and 69-65 games.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 12 June 2004 04:28 (seventeen years ago) link

agree 100% (in fact i love it when i get a chance to see these guys http://www.grinnell.edu/athletics/mbasketball/scheduleresults/ play), but i've always assumed that by the nba those two aspects ,with a handful of exceptions, have gelled together: dump it to the fat guy, and if he doesn't have a shot, kick it out for a 3-pointer (or vice versa). in other words, there's no in-between, hence no decent jumpshots, and shitty FG%s abound. and on the lowest levels, fat kids want to be shaq and skinny kids want to be reggie. as soon as you get the strength to do it, you don't shoot from anywhere else BUT from behind the 3-point line. i was definitely that way as a kid (great 3-point stroke, no jump shot whatsoever - so maybe i'm just projecting, who knows) and i don't see any reason why lots of others, even the super-gifted (especially disadvantaged ones who don't have an available dad/quality coach to force them to discipline all aspects of their game), wouldn't be the same way. it certainly seemed the norm at my school.

but i doubt that theory because one would think that after a couple years in college such a tendency would be pretty well drilled out of a player, and it's not as if most of the NBA's talent is coming straight from high school (at least not yet).

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 12 June 2004 04:59 (seventeen years ago) link

It may be difficult to get bad habits drilled out after a couple of years, while college coaches are still trying to keep players happy (so they don't leave for the draft) and they're going to be televised a lot so they want to be stars.

Some of the blame has to go on GMs too - gambling on a guy with one or two great assets instead of an all-around game. Upside blah blah blah.

I don't think it's hopeless, but I'm lucky enough to have a local team that's good and fun to watch (until Cuban gets pissed off at not winning a title and trades for an all-D team).

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 12 June 2004 06:53 (seventeen years ago) link

To be honest, has the NBA really had much worth watching since Jordan retired? Too many games seem to swing on weird officating calls and teams can't shoot worth a shit anymore. The game is deathly dull.

College basketball, partially because most teams have a couple of good players and the rest role players is a more watchable form of basketball, sometimes it gets deathly ugly, but in it's best moments has more raw emotion and passion than all but the very best and rare NBA games.

During the season, so many NBA teams seem to dial it in until half way until the fourth quarter or until they are down fifteen. Yawn...

Sometimes a late season Arizona Cardinals vs. Minnesota Viking game is interesting and the playoffs are usually good and sometimes great. You can't say that about any late season NBA game, too many teams make the playoffs to worry about it. Look at the Lakers, they didn't have the top seed and didn't even care, they still just rested their players in the last few games, even though they were within a game or two of getting home court.

Then again, I am a football junkie. I never played basketball in school, so I don't really have any attachment at all to the game like I do about football or baseball, which I played. Still, I grew up watching alot of NBA games, but I rarely can sit down and watch an entire game, it is way too fugly.

It isn't the high school kids that are messing up the game, most of them end up on the pine for two or three years anyway. The college players also can't shoot very well. Most of the newer shooters are from Europe, some exceptions of course. Until back court guards and small fowards start being able to nail that mid range jumper, the scores are going to continue to be low. There is just too much athleticism for all but a rare few to exploit that matchup style game that became so popular with Jordan. McGrady can do it, Kobe can do it and a few others sometimes can play like that, but most of the league cannot.

Something else that is becomeing more rare is the dominating center, which was pivot of the game from the 50s to the 80s. Other than Shaq and now Ming, there just isn't as many great centers. There are good players of that height, but they are not centers in the way that Ewing, Hakeem, Russell, Parrish and the old school centers played. They are either very athletic power forwards (like Ben Wallace) or big forwards that can shoot and move (like Duncan or Garnett).

earlnash, Saturday, 12 June 2004 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
hi there again, another question...
what is it that the players chew & spit out when they are in the dugout?

zappi (joni), Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Tobacco or sunflower seeds

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link

sunflower seeds?!??
is this purely a baseball thing, or is this some part of normal american life i wasnt informed of?

zappi (joni), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link

You can get sunflower seeds, shelled or unshelled, at almost any convenience store. Pop them in your mouth, suck on the salty goodness, crack the shell, spit it out and eat the seed. Or do what I do, suck on the salty goodness and spit the whole thing out.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, it's a bit of a trick to unshell them in your mouth. It takes a while to get it just right. Well, it did for me anyway. It's kind of satisfying when you can do it though. It's a decent enough way to kill time and idly occupy yourself, which probably explains their popularity with ballplayers. As Milo notes, you can find them at most convenience stores. I'd imagine they are popular some other professions that include periodic downtime and allow you to spit on the job, like maybe construction workers and truck drivers.

I kind of feel like it's too much work for too little reward, personally. Even if you master the in-mouth shell-cracking and seed-extracting procedure, the seeds themselves are so small as to render the whole thing vaguely unsatisfying.

I can't think of sunflower seeds without thinking of Sparky Anderson. That guy was a sunflower seed FIEND.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:46 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.tsuuhan-usa.com/snack/93himawari.jpg

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:48 (seventeen years ago) link

It's amusing that the thing that provokes the interrobang reaction wasn't the 'baccy.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 23 August 2004 03:51 (seventeen years ago) link

it more amusing for me cos the only thing i've seen eat sunflower seeds before was my sisters hamster when i was 8! i've never seen or heard of anyone in the uk who chews tobacco. according to here
"But like cigarette tobacco, it also contains hundreds of different chemicals which are highly toxic to the body, including nicotine, formaldehyde (embalming fluid), polonium 210 (a radioactive chemical which is a type of nuclear waste) and many other cancer-causing chemicals (carcinogens)"

wow, chewing radioactive waste! gotta try some of that....

zappi (joni), Monday, 23 August 2004 06:17 (seventeen years ago) link

chewing "dip" was the cool thing at my high school. totally disgusting...

bnw (bnw), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

apart from looking cool, chewing tobacco is supposed to help keep your mouth from getting all dry on the baking, dusty ballfields of the minor leagues. remember, though: if you're gonna chew, do it right. skoal bandits (which came in little pouches) are for pussies.

the sunflower seed thing i never got at all--why would you want something so salty when it's just going to make you thirsty?

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 23 August 2004 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

someone please tell Terry Francona that it looks like he has a big piece of shit in his mouth.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 August 2004 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

CHEWING dip??

anybody remember "plug" tobacco? sometimes called "snuff," bizarrely

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

and hey, get the kids into it!

http://www.jimbouton.com/i/chew_org.jpg

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link

created by jim bouton, former yankees/seattle pilots pitcher/author of ball four

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

do they still make that stuff? it was great!

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Big League Chew grape is the best gum ever. I could never resist the urge to stuff all of it in my mouth at once, it tasted so good.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

otfm!!! it had that slighty sour tinge that kept you wanting more. i'm pretty sure that was intentional. you'd stuff a wad into your mouth, chew it for 30 seconds until the flavor ran out, then either spit it out and stick in another one or keep shovelling in hunks of shreds until you really did have the entire bag in your mouth. good times.

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link

i always thought the guy on the front was joe torre

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

big league chew was awesome. Although trying to do sunflower seeds and the chew at the same time was a bad idea. is 'chewing dip' not the proper term? Was it 'dipping'? I just remember the dudes with the white baseball hats and lots of bass in their jeeps liked to do it.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know if you meant bass as in the tone or the fish, but it works either way.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, you take a dip of dip and you chew chew, y'know? Dip is the real small finely shredded flakes like skoal and what-not; like the commercial says, you "just put a pinch between your cheek and gum" and you kind of let it marinate in there for a while. Chew is the big-ass leafy stuff like Redman -- what that Big League Chew gum was imitating - that you actually grind with your teeth.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

CHAW

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I never realized they were two different things. Actually chewing that stuff is even worse.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

god help me I'm not 100% sure I understand a double switch /alfan

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:17 (twelve years ago) link

specifically wrt the timing of the events involved with the switch

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:19 (twelve years ago) link

event 1) remove pitcher and position player from the game;

event 2) replace pitcher and position player

event 3 ????????

event 4) batting order results in position player batting in pitcher's spot and visa versa.

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

you just replace the pitcher with the position player and vice-versa. so when the pitcher's spot comes up, the position player is actually there.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:26 (twelve years ago) link

I get that but it's not a satisfying answer for me, i guess. is it just as simple as calling a P a 2B and a 2B a P? i.e. a semantic manuver?

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

i think maybe try taking the positions out of it? you are free to substitute any guy for any other guy, and because it's the nl, you are free to let anyone play any position. so.......

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

btw i'm an al fan too just trying to work through this for both of our benefits

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

>i think maybe try taking the positions out of it?

I don't think that's my issue. i can't figure out where in the timeline of events that lead to the players ending up in the advantageous BO slots.

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

ACCEPTED EVENT: event 1) remove pitcher and position player from the game;

ACCEPTED EVENT: event 2) replace pitcher and position player

event 3 ????????

ACCEPTED OUTCOME: event 4) batting order results in position player batting in pitcher's spot and visa versa.

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

I took my Afrogermanic neighbor to a game last year and it was probably the hardest (explaining stuff) I had to think since my SAT.

Tito Linndrum (Andy K), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:46 (twelve years ago) link

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Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

like, everything makes sense independent of the whole

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

I get that but it's not a satisfying answer for me, i guess. is it just as simple as calling a P a 2B and a 2B a P? i.e. a semantic manuver?

what's semantic about it? aren't the replacements in the lineup? (i.e. couldn't any player conceivably play any position?)

"the whale saw her" (gabbneb), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

the two substitutions don't technically happen simultaneously. so you can first take out the pitcher and put the position player in his spot, and then take out the other position player and put in the pitcher. it may happen at the same time on the lineup card, but that doesn't matter until either a) the NEW pitcher's spot comes up because the inning continues or b) the inning ends and someone needs to pitch the next inning.

all that's relevant initially is that you are batting a position player for a pitcher. what the double switch is really doing is allowing him to stay in the game after his AB.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

its mostly an NL thing.

+ if it happens in the upper half of the lineup (in a 9 inning game) it's usually due to injury or an older player needing rest (often during a blowout).

+ if it happens in the bottom half of the lineup it's usually to take advantage of poor batter or to insert a defensive replacement.

so say your light hitting SS (say, 2009 jose reyes off the roids lol) is batting 8th and made the last offensive out and your pitcher has tossed 7 innings and is due up in the next inning. after the batter makes the out, the manager would indicate a double switch taking reyes out of the 8th spot and inserting a pitcher in that spot instead (then up 9th in the current batter order = less chance of getting an at bat by end of game). then in the 9th spot, you'd insert the switch, usually the next best offensive player and either move him in at SS or shuffle the defense around to accomodate him.

does this make sense? cuz i could go on but i'm not sure how much sense this is making...

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:22 (twelve years ago) link

yah it makes total sense - you're rejigging the line-up to put as much distance btw your pitcher and having to bat as possible

(Palm) springs sprungs (Lamp), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:37 (twelve years ago) link

the two substitutions don't technically happen simultaneously. so you can first take out the pitcher and put the position player in his spot, and then take out the other position player and put in the pitcher. it may happen at the same time on the lineup card, but that doesn't matter until either a) the NEW pitcher's spot comes up because the inning continues or b) the inning ends and someone needs to pitch the next inning.

^^^^ this is basically what I was looking for

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

so, yes, it is all effectively instantaneous, but that's the order I was looking for.

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:42 (twelve years ago) link

order of operations cf. maths.

Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:42 (twelve years ago) link

twelve years pass...

https://i.redd.it/1zu5qfagdlh71.jpg

incredible comeback as the herts falcons improved to 1-23 on the season. they've been outscored 351-98

mookieproof, Monday, 16 August 2021 00:59 (one month ago) link

Can we have that in English please?

Soundtracked by an ecojazz mixtape (Tom D.), Monday, 16 August 2021 07:40 (one month ago) link

lmaooo

Tracer Hand, Monday, 16 August 2021 07:51 (one month ago) link

i know some of those guys

Tracer Hand, Monday, 16 August 2021 07:51 (one month ago) link


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