The Inevitable Montreal Expos Relocation

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Bon Voyage Montreal, Howdy Las Vega$?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 20:32 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Expos go to the West
Rockies go to the Central
Pirates go the East

?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 20:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Expos go NL West.
D-Backs go AL West.
Rangers go NL Central.
Pirates go NL East.

boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 20:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't want to see the uniforms (prob. my current favorites) or the team name to change!

Leee O'Gaddy (Leee), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 20:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Wow, just checked their stat page and they are off to a really slow start. Their stolen bases leader is Toma Ohka with one.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 20:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, steroids are an apocalyptic problem in MLB, but putting a team in the capital of legal gambling? De nada.

Don't hold your breath.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 20:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Washington D.C.

Angelos will eventually get some kickback from MLB to let it happen.

earlnash, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

o please let it be portland, please please please

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 01:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I like the South of the border idea.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 20:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

well, dc did just call mlb's bluff and presented a plan for a ballpark completely financed by the public.

cynics say that angelos opened the floodgate on gm spending b/c he anticipates dc getting the call and a better on-field product will mitigate the damages of a dc team.

i think baseball in nova is bullshit!

j.q. higgins, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

DC is also the largest town in the US without a pro baseball club.

Charlotte or Portland also could work, but I think DC is where they will end up.

Mexico isn't as crazy for baseball as they used to be and I don't think the union would want a club to play there. There are a bunch of players are not that crazy about playing in Canada, let alone Mexico City.

earlnash, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

it's all about the benjamins, as a fella once said. until recently, i had never even considered how much it sucks for the expos having to pay their players american $, but being able to only pull in canadian $ for tix, concessions and merch...though i'd guess that their retro merch sells infinitely better in the states than in canadaland.

j.q. higgins, Thursday, 22 April 2004 14:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i don't know about the merch thing. but it's been sad watching baseball slowly get forced out of that city. not living too far from there and having montréal friends that (try to) support the team - i really feel for the fans there and the team too. it really must blow being on a team that's been riding the fence for so long.

so if they moved to washington what would they rename the team¿ prolly "the senators" or something predictable like that. didn't they have a team briefly 30 or so years ago¿

dyson (dyson), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE SENATORS JESUS CHRIST

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 22 April 2004 17:17 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the washington DEVIL SNAKES now that'll put the fear into those boring traditionally named teams! what the hell is so cool about a goddamn sock??

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 22 April 2004 17:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Washington Spin Doctors

The Senators have been a club on and off for years. The Rangers and Twins were both the Sentators at one time.

Montreal got screwed. The two times they had a club that could complete were in the strike years. The had one of the best minor league devlopment systems for most of the 80s-90s. It is a shame.

earlnash, Thursday, 22 April 2004 17:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

spin doctors as an homage to the k street crowd or the awesome band of the same name?

i wouldn't mind senators...it'd definitely have to be generals if they move *menacing strings* across the river.

j.q. higgins, Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh god, I'm imagining a piece of K Street inspired flair in the new stadium. All they'd need is a strikeout pitcher.

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

They had one of the best minor league devlopment systems for most of the 80s-90s.

The rookie trio of Delino DeShields, Larry Walker and Marquis Grissom in the late 80s.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

SI predicted Delino DeShields would be de Rookie of de Year.

I'm not kidding, that's how they wrote it!

boldbury (boldbury), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I was thinking crooked politicans and forgot about the band thing.

Expos also developed Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Cliff Floyd, Rondall White, Vlad Guerrero, Ugeth Urbina who all became allstars.

They also got Moises Alou from the Pirates when he was a minor leaguer, so they had nearly two outfields of allstars in ten years.

earlnash, Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Don't forget Larry Walker! Oh there's loads of 'em.

Oh and Javier Vazquez looked unhittable last night, by the way.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

he did indeed. i think he only had trouble against boston because he didn't appear to have his curve, and that was about 50% of his repetoire last night, in it's various forms (he can slow it down when he wants to). he's also got a nice slider and a good change, and he can also exchange speed for movement on his fastball. he apparently occasionally hangs some of his curves and thus gives up home runs, as happened last night. but when he's on, that's his only flaw.

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 22 April 2004 20:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Expos do have an outstanding record of producing talent, but they can't take credit for Pedro Martinez. He came up through the Dodgers organization, then was traded to the Expos for Delino DeShields. It took another two-three years before Pedro really broke through as an ace with the Expos.

Regarding the Washington Senators.......the original franchise was part of the American League for 60 years, from 1901-60, then relocated to Minnesota and became the Twins in 1961. Second incarnation was a 1961 expansion team, that then moved to Texas and became the Rangers in 1971.

don maynard (don maynard), Friday, 23 April 2004 11:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think the 'spos are coming to DC/NoVa until Angelos is dead or drooling and incontinent, and perhaps not even then.

MLB seems to think it financially beneficial to be coy while cities try to outbid each other. The potential ownership groups in DC/NoVa have become disillusioned with the endless bullshit process and the refusal of MLB to shit or get off the pot. Arlington, VA doesn't want a stadium in its midst. A site at Potomac Yards not far from National Airport would be nice but isn't for sale. A site in Springfield, VA--very near the infamous I-95/I-495 "mixing bowl" would be a traffic/logistical nightmare dwarfing even the current fiasco at Redskins games. DC would be insane to offer public funds for a park, though mayor Tony Williams would probably like to do just that.

Tinfoil-hat-wearers in DC (e.g. Thomas Boswell think that Angelos purposely threw the Orioles in the tank five years ago to drive down attendance so his case against a DC team would be weakened. Meanwhile, the Orioles want DC to make improvements to New York Avenue NE, the main route out of DC to Baltimore.

Meanwhile, les Expos can't sign players to extensions because they don't want to spend half their seasons in San Juan/Monterrey/etc. The whole thing is ugly, and a real reminder of what counts in baseball--and it's not OPS.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 23 April 2004 14:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

er, case against a DC team strengthened, among other typos

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 23 April 2004 14:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink


Go the regional route and call em the Beltway Lobbyists.

Someone -- Gammons? -- said last week they still might contract them, but they'd need a second victim.

Geez, the great Walter Johnson pitched for the original Senators -- no Jonathan Richman fans??

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 April 2004 14:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

teddy ballgame was manager of the year for the sens.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 23 April 2004 14:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
So the latest is a Northern Virginia plan to build a ballpark near Dulles airport in Loudon County, 30 miles from downtown DC. (Camden Yards is 40 miles from downtown DC.) There is no mass transit out there--folks have been arguing for years about building light rail or a Metro extension to Dulles, but right now you have to take the Metro to Falls Church and then a bus from there. Traffic would be insane.

On the plus side, this would not involve the further bloating of my DC tax bill as suggested by Mayor Tony Williams' stadium plan.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

taxes? pshaw!

revenue from the casino in the new convention center will pay for the stadium!

j.q. higgins, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

no, i think that's supposed to pay for the replacement of our toxic lead water pipes!

mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh. i thought they were using reconstituted crack pipes.

...i'll stop now.

j.q. higgins, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Former D.C. Mayor Marion Barry said he would support any stadium plan as long as the site was within walking distance of his CRACK DEALER.

Norm MacDonald (boldbury), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

travis is that you?

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No.

Norm MacDonald (boldbury), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...
ESPN says Expos players were told to expect to move to the "DC area" in 2005.

Sources familiar with the Expos-relocation process told ESPN.com on Thursday that union leaders Donald Fehr and Gene Orza met Wednesday with Montreal player representative Brian Schneider and his assistant, Brad Wilkerson.

The player reps were informed by the union that there is now an overwhelming probability that they will wind up in either Washington or Northern Virginia -- although there is still a small chance that baseball could opt for Las Vegas.

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
USA Today hack Bodley says Selig has no choice, and the announcement could be soon:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/columnist/bodley/2004-09-20-bodley_x.htm


and DC commission picks an M Street site:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/expos/2004-09-22-dc-stadium_x.htm

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 13:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i am so tired of hearing angelos cry foul. he has no legitimate rights to both baltimore and dc! besides, having a team in dc shouldn't hurt the big business the o's do when boston and los yanquis come to town.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

so tonight i left dupont circle in washington, dc at 4:55pm and arrived in my seat (without food or drink) at camden yards at 7:01pm for a 7:05 start. the game ended at 10:35pm. i arrived home in dc at 12:10am.

FUCK YOU PETER ANGELOS

-- mookieproof (mookieproo...), September 11th, 2004 1:07 AM. (mookieproof)

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 24 September 2004 14:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Beyond the distance between DC and B-more, the Expos are a NATIONAL LEAGUE team, so what is Angelos problem other than wanting to somehow get some cash out of this deal.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 24 September 2004 14:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

do the hats still say "elb"??

You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Friday, 24 September 2004 15:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yep, they still say "elb" (even for Canadians, it's not readily apparent that it's supposed to be a big "M").

The Bmore-DC distance isn't really relevant, although Angelos wants everyone to think that it is. Simply put, the population of the Bmore-DC area is plenty big enough to support more than one team. The Ravens and Redskins are doing fine in the NFL. And the population of that area is larger than the Bay area, which also supports multiple sports franchises in multiple sports.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 24 September 2004 15:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

well, the ravens/redskins comparison isn't really relevent either, in that the two teams have 16 home games to fill vs 162 between the orioles/expos. but yeah: the bay/chicago/la/ny wtf.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

that leads us to big point #2, of course the o's will be able to comepete w/ reduced revenue: read moneyball!

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Shit, the way they spend money, they SHOULD be forced to spend less!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i hope that's changing, but the money spent on marty cordova, david segui, omar daal, rick helling and mike dejean is obscene.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

haha--they were able to get tejada this year because it's the first year they've gotten out from under ALBERT BELLE

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 24 September 2004 19:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

There was a "Save Les Expos" march on Saturday which I was unable to attend, but the media up there is resigned to their fate. It's kinda sad to see kids at the game wearing Expo gear.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 September 2004 14:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Appears to be a done deal, les Expos are moving to DC.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1890915

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 01:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

so: Senators then? NOMINATE HERE:

mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 02:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the washington fatcats

Symplistic (shmuel), Saturday, 2 October 2004 09:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

There are two options:

1) Embrace change and follow this new team as if it were my dear deceased Expos.

2) Remain bitter and wish plagues upon this new team in honor of my dear deceased Expos.

My dear deceased Expos also drafted and developed Tim Raines, Andre Dawson, Tim Wallach, Scott Sanderson, Steve Rogers, Gary Carter, Warren Cromartie...

They had the good sense to trade Dan Schatzeder for Ron LeFlore in 1979, and they also had the good sense to dump LeFlore off on the White Sox after the 1980 season.

Andy K (Andy K), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Quite a few Montrealers were scattered throughout the stands at Shea yesterday. No cameos by Coco Laboy, alas.

Kinda fitting that their last batter's name was Endy.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hurray, this "Swindle of the Century" allows me to post a Counterpunch rant to ILB!

http://www.counterpunch.org/zirin10022004.html

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 20:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

sorry, but the dude has no idea what he's talking about.

fair use? try eminent domain.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 20:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
motherfucker!

i can't believe linda cropp is going to kill dc baseball!

i am so pissed, but only a dc politcian could fuck up such a golden opportunity.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Saturday, 6 November 2004 22:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ah, the games.

linda cropp's proposal doesn't have the votes to pass city council and it looks like the tony williams/mlb plan does!

bienvenue, expos/nats!

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Could you summarize the current political games for us non-Beltway types?

I hear the Grays are the leading team name.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

man i hope so!

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

So do I! MLB acknowledging the Negro Leagues more than once or twice a year = A VERY GOOD THING.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

thirded, that's better than senators and definitely better than any whackass 'original' nickname they would come up with these days

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think they should be the Chrysler Sebring Zima Gold Dorito's Wow Spongebobs.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hang on ... wait ... checking ... uh ... yep, gygax is back.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry. Yes, I'm back. I ate 10 tacos next to Jeff Weaver.

He got a hair cut. His bro was there too along with another guy (didn't recognize).

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think they should be the Chrysler Sebring Zima Gold Dorito's Wow Spongebobs.

No sorrys required ... I was just noting how that post was rather inimitably GYGAXIAN.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

back to the games: cropp had pledged support for the initial dc/mlb plan. she stealthily drew up her own plan, then publicly w/drew support of the dc/mlb in favor of her own. it is now clear that she doesn't have the votes for her plan and tony williams does have the votes for his plan.

i guess the latest wrinkle is that cropp pulled some parliamentary shenanigans to delay vote on the dc/mlb plan citing some source of private finanicing. if the private financing plan is legit, i'm all for it, but i have a sneaking suspicion that it's purpose is to kill dc baseball by continually putting off an up or down vote.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/041118

espn had a uni design contest. not that it matters, but i like the first and last.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Paul Lukas! Ha! Christ, I had no idea he'd been doing stuff for ESPN.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 19 November 2004 01:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i really like the sleeve piping on that one

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 03:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

who's paul lukas? sounds familiar.

agreed about the first and last. and the ppl designing alternate unis need to be shot.

John (jdahlem), Friday, 19 November 2004 06:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh, he did that Beer Frame fanzine in the 90s. Sort of: 'rock critic-style' reviews of quirky consumer products and design, both new and old. I guess he's got a website now:

http://www.core77.com/inconspicuous/

He's a smart and funny cookie.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 19 November 2004 06:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

he did uniwatch for the voice originally (or at least i read it there first haha), it moved to slate briefly when the voice stupidly stupidly got rid of their really great sports section, now it's at page 2 which is the perfect place for it.

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 08:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

my friend got runner-up in one of their baseball quizzes!

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 08:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

aha, i've been to that website! i don't think it's been updated for years, though.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpcDBuM2RlBF9TAzk1ODYxNzc3BHNlYwN0aA--?slug=ap-expos-namechange&prov=ap&type=lgns

washington NATIONALS, folks

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I hear it may be changed to something less bland in a year or so.

Chris Kahrl of BP summarizes the Nationals' two signings last week: "Jim Bowden flushes a bunch of money down the drain in Washington."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 20 November 2004 18:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

well, i have to confess, i'm a little confused by the guzman signing, but even adjusting for coors field, i'd have to imagine vinny castilla is an upgrade over tony batista. i would guess glaus was maybe out of his price range?

this is what sucks about mlb jerking dc around so long. they're still calling the shots! the franchise needs 1) owners 2) that will spend money or bring in sharp baseball folks that know how to maximize their dollars.

you didn't expect mlb to hire a sabr dude, did you?

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Saturday, 20 November 2004 22:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Is this one intentionally phallic?

http://espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/uni_ds_wash.jpg

boldbury (boldbury), Sunday, 21 November 2004 01:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

was the washington monument intentionally phallic??

John (jdahlem), Sunday, 21 November 2004 01:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Maybe, but it doesn't have to giant balls at the base of it like that logo does.

boldbury (boldbury), Sunday, 21 November 2004 03:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i think dick clark productions would sue, were that logo to be used. well, maybe anyway.

maura (maura), Sunday, 21 November 2004 04:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ha point taken bb

John (jdahlem), Sunday, 21 November 2004 16:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

well, phallic or not, that logo is conspicuously similar to the udc logo.

(and, yeah...i think the monument is intentionally phallic. y'know...father of the nation?)

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Sunday, 21 November 2004 17:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Castilla on the road last year: .218 / .281 / .493
That's the slightest of upgrades for way too much. Awful signing.

Dude, you'd be surprised at the number of "SABR dudes" MLB -- and mlb.com in particular -- is employing these days to make a mint (see the late chapters of my latest book recommendation).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 November 2004 15:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp?c_id=was

maura (maura), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ugh...well, as i said, dc needs actual owners asap. i would guess that at this point, it's probably bowden's team for 2005, right?

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

now that they're called the nationals, how long before mlb moves them to the AL?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm sorry to see the Green Party activist who bumrushed the podium at the naming announcement was NOT Ron Artest.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

D.C. really sucks at naming teams. Nationals/Capitals/Wizards???

bnw (bnw), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Don't forget the BULLETS!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

And the Potomac Basin Indigenous What-The-Fuck-Evers.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

FOGGY BOTTOM!

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I liked the Washington Bullets names. All of DCs other team names have sucked though (except the Redskins whose name is just beyond sucking into the realm of superhumanly awful and bizarre at the same time.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I like the Redskin color scheme, though. Maybe, to save the colors & kill the embarrassment, they can change their name to the Washington Bacon Cheeseburgers.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Washington BLTers has a nice ring.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the bullets were baltimore-based first, though.

as for the skins, they should change the helmet logo back to the 60's "r" and call themselves the washington servicemarks. washington's legal population would applaud!

i like "nationals" just fine. the logo is pretty weak and i'm not wild about the proposed unis or resurrecting the "w" hat given the current political climate.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

So the Nat'ls are going to play in All-Star uniforms throughout the season?

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 00:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
linda cropp, political genius?

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 15:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

maybe?

especially if tony williams doesn't run, she's got to be a favorite if the mlb accepts the newly amended proposal. she could then claim responsbility for holding mlb accountable to the people of dc AND bringing a team to dc.

a lot of ifs there, though.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 16:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

thirteen years pass...

Stephen Brunt, who I view as a pretty smart analyst, was on the Fan yesterday talking about this. (Weird to say, but I lived one street over from the Brunts as a kid; we played street hockey. Lost track of him after high school, then one day he was everywhere sports-related.) He said that for the longest time, right up till six months ago, he was certain Montreal would never get another team. He's revised that, and now he thinks it will happen.

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